Labour Faces Fresh Crisis as Second MP Caught in Controversial WhatsApp Group

[Social Media]

 

Labour is under increasing pressure to take action against a second MP linked to a controversial WhatsApp group that circulated sexist and racist messages. This comes after Andrew Gwynne was removed from his role as a health minister following the exposure of offensive online exchanges, including one message where he expressed hope that an elderly voter who didn’t support Labour would "die before the next election."  

 

"Housing Minister it’s ‘concerning’ Labour councillors didn’t call out antisemitic WhatsApp messages."

‘I don’t think anyone can be in any doubt about the PM’s commitment to rooting out antisemitism from Labour’

Housing Minister @mtpennycook tells @TrevorPTweets it’s ‘concerning’ Labour councillors didn’t call out antisemitic WhatsApp messages.https://t.co/V5Smv6EKiN

📺Sky 501 pic.twitter.com/AxCee5cOKp

— Sky News (@SkyNews) February 9, 2025

 

Gwynne, the MP for Denton and Gorton, has also been suspended from the Labour Party after further revelations showed he made anti-Semitic remarks and crude "jokes" about a constituent being "mown down" by a truck. The messages were shared in a group called "Trigger Me Timbers," which included more than a dozen Labour councillors, party officials, and at least one other MP from Manchester’s outskirts.  

 

Despite the growing scandal, Housing Minister Matthew Pennycook remained tight-lipped about potential disciplinary action against others involved. “I don’t know, personally, what other people on that WhatsApp conversation have said… I’ve been very clear, there’s an investigation taking place into the whole incident,” he said on *Sunday Morning With Trevor Phillips* on Sky News.  

 

 

Gwynne has since apologised for his "badly misjudged comments," but his remarks have drawn sharp criticism. Shadow Cabinet Office Minister Alex Burghart condemned a message about an elderly constituent, calling it "quite a nasty attempt to do down an old person" and reflective of "the attitude that the Labour Party seems to have to elderly voters generally."  

 

Shadow minister @alexburghart says “sinister” comments made by MP Andrew Gwynne suggest Labour still has a “very serious problem with antisemitism." “I hope the Prime Minister will get to grips with that immediately," he adds.

Shadow minister @alexburghart says “sinister” comments made by MP Andrew Gwynne suggest Labour still has a “very serious problem with antisemitism."

“I hope the Prime Minister will get to grips with that immediately," he adds.https://t.co/V5Smv6EKiN

📺 Sky 501 pic.twitter.com/jPuAD6BNC7

— Sky News (@SkyNews) February 9, 2025

 

One of the most shocking exchanges involved a 72-year-old woman who had contacted her local councillor regarding bin collections. After she mentioned that she hadn’t voted Labour but wanted to raise an issue, Gwynne allegedly wrote a suggested response: “Dear resident, F*** your bins. I’m re-elected and without your vote. Screw you. PS: Hopefully you’ll have croaked it by the all-outs.” The term "all-outs" refers to elections where all council seats are contested at once.  

 

The leaked messages, obtained by *The Mail on Sunday*, contained further offensive content. Gwynne was found to have written that someone "sounds too Jewish" and "too militaristic," seemingly based solely on their name. Other messages included racist remarks about veteran Labour MP Diane Abbott, mocking her historic achievement of becoming the first Black MP to speak at Prime Minister’s Questions. There were also sexist comments about Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner and crude references to a local Labour leader.  

 

Discussing an upcoming Labour meeting, one group member referenced Marshall Rosenberg, a late American psychologist known for conflict resolution techniques. Gwynne responded: “No. He sounds too militaristic and too Jewish. Is he in Mossad?” The remark plays into an enduring anti-Semitic stereotype, according to Alex Hearn, co-director of Labour Against Anti-Semitism.  

 

Gwynne’s history with online controversy dates back to 2018 when it was revealed he was in a Facebook group called "Labour Supporters," where anti-Semitic messages were shared. At the time, he distanced himself, saying: “I was added to this Facebook group without my knowledge or permission. I DO NOT support the posts and I ABHOR anti-Semitism. It has absolutely NO place in the Labour Party or in society. End of.” However, just months later, he was engaging in anti-Semitic banter in the WhatsApp group, even joking, “Geoffrey the Giraffe says don’t be nasty to the Jews,” referencing the mascot of the defunct Toys R Us chain.  

 

Gwynne also made offensive jokes about Diane Abbott’s role at Prime Minister’s Questions in October 2019. Abbott’s appearance was a historic moment as she became the first Black parliamentarian to represent her party in the weekly debate. When a group member questioned whether this moment was "a joke," Gwynne replied: "Because it’s Black History Month apparently." Another councillor suggested alternative Black MPs, both living and dead, saying: "Was David Lammy not available? I’d also take the corpse of Bernie Grant." Gwynne then added: "Or Desmond Swayne? Justin Trudeau??" This appeared to be a reference to the two politicians’ past controversies involving blackface caricatures.  

 

With Labour already reeling from the fallout of Gwynne’s removal, pressure is mounting for further disciplinary action. Whether others in the WhatsApp group will face consequences remains unclear, but the scandal has once again raised concerns about inappropriate behaviour within the party’s ranks.

 

Based on a report by Daily Mail | Sky News 2025-02-10

 

 

[James105]

Nasty racist party attracts nasty racist bigots as MPs.   Quelle surprise.  

[Chomper Higgot]

Simple fix,

 

Withdraw the whip and dismiss them from the Labour Party.

 

 

 

[James105]

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Simple fix,

 

Withdraw the whip and dismiss them from the Labour Party.

 

 

Not good enough.  He is in that seat as he is a Labour MP, he would not have been elected as an independent.   He is in Labour as he is a nasty racist bigot and that is where he feels at home.   

 

Nothing short of criminal charges for hurty words (as is the standard set nowadays under Starmer for this kind of thing) and then a by-election so that the electorate can decide if they want another racist from the Labour party or someone else to represent them would be good enough.       

[PETERTHEEATER]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Simple fix,

 

Withdraw the whip and dismiss them from the Labour Party.

 

 

 

I am more for one hundred lashes with te whip.

[Sir Dude]

Funny, any thread that is about the Tories or Reform, even the slightest unwoke thing or statement, and hundreds of far-lefty posters go post-crazy trying to put the boot in throwing words like fascist/nazis/far right extremists yada yada yada as much as possible. 

When it comes to a racist hate crime like this from a vile sneering far-lefty, who should be charged and jailed like the opposite political offenders swiftly are and would be, then there is an sinister and deafeningly stunning silence... with the best that our lefty brigade posters can muster is a tepid "Withdraw the whip and slap his wrist" nonsense.

The left-wing bias on here is a joke... What if I told you there was such a thing as far-left fascism and that anything slightly right of Stalin isn't "far right".  Haha.

[JonnyF]

The true face of Labour.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The true face of Labour.

 

The two women at which this bigoted  racist vomited his venom are Diane Abbot and Angela Raynor.

 

Sound familiar Jonny?

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Funny, any thread that is about the Tories or Reform, even the slightest unwoke thing or statement, and hundreds of far-lefty posters go post-crazy trying to put the boot in throwing words like fascist/nazis/far right extremists yada yada yada as much as possible. 

When it comes to a racist hate crime like this from a vile sneering far-lefty, who should be charged and jailed like the opposite political offenders swiftly are and would be, then there is an sinister and deafeningly stunning silence... with the best that our lefty brigade posters can muster is a tepid "Withdraw the whip and slap his wrist" nonsense.

The left-wing bias on here is a joke... What if I told you there was such a thing as far-left fascism and that anything slightly right of Stalin isn't "far right".  Haha.

Congratulations, you get the thread Godwin Gong.

 

“When it comes to a racist hate crime like this from a vile sneering far-lefty, who should be charged and jailed like the opposite political offenders swiftly are and would be, then there is an sinister and deafeningly stunning silence.”

 

How about this:

 

Investigate his remarks, if there are grounds for prosecution, prosecute and let the court deal with him.

 

In the meantime remove the whip and expel him from the Labour Party.

 

If voters in his constituency wish him removed, let them raise a recall petition.

 

[Sir Dude]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Congratulations, you get the thread Godwin Gong.

 

“When it comes to a racist hate crime like this from a vile sneering far-lefty, who should be charged and jailed like the opposite political offenders swiftly are and would be, then there is an sinister and deafeningly stunning silence.”

 

How about this:

 

Investigate his remarks, if there are grounds for prosecution, prosecute and let the court deal with him.

 

In the meantime remove the whip and expel him from the Labour Party.

 

If voters in his constituency wish him removed, let them raise a recall petition.

 

 

Ahhh, did we goad you into a sensible position after your lackluster and tepid initial attempt. Also, resorting to personal insults shows you up and has bad optics... attack the content, not the poster.

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

 

Ahhh, did we goad you into a sensible position after your lackluster and tepid initial attempt. Also, resorting to personal insults shows you up and has bad optics... attack the content, not the poster.

No, my position has been consistent on all allegations of criminality, regardless of who is the accused or what their politics.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Simple fix,

 

Withdraw the whip and dismiss them from the Labour Party.

 

That's not a fix, that's a coverup without the very necessary inquiry into who else was in the group, who else failed to speak out and who else made similar slurs. There are also consequences for hate speech that go over a simple dismissal. 

 

I'm sure you'd like a simple fix much as Starmer would as his attempts to stop the BBC publishing the salary details of Susan Gray show. 

 

However, this is not going away, sorry.

 

Kaleel Khan, an independent councillor in Tameside, said on Sunday night that he had reported Mr Gwynne to Greater Manchester Police for hate crimes.
David McKelvey, a former Met chief inspector, said the force must investigate the MP to avoid accusations of “two-tier policing”.
Party sources confirmed that Oliver Ryan, the MP for Burnley, was also a member of the group. None of his messages have yet been released, but there have been calls for a full investigation.

https://archive.ph/it2nK

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/02/09/andrew-gwynne-should-be-prosecuted-says-scotland-yard-dci/

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The two women at which this bigoted  racist vomited his venom are Diane Abbot and Angela Raynor.

 

Sound familiar Jonny?

That must explain why it seems to be OK to those in the left etc!

[SunnyinBangrak]

So Im the only one that found the messages funny? Esp the Dianne Abbott one, haha. Ok it looks bad now its made public, but that wasnt the intent. Thank Goodness my whatsapp groups aren't made public😅

[Eloquent pilgrim]

 

Oliver Ryan will be next, and hopefully a few more in the group to follow when they are exposed; then the lefties on here will be needing incontinence pants  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

41 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

That must explain why it seems to be OK to those in the left etc!

Is it?

[Sir Dude]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, my position has been consistent on all allegations of criminality, regardless of who is the accused or what their politics.

 

 

 

 

I'm very happy to hear that, and look forward to you being a consistant bastion of impartiality and balance without any bias or prejudice.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

 

I'm very happy to hear that, and look forward to you being a consistant bastion of impartiality and balance without any bias or prejudice.

On matters of investigating and prosecuting crimes I am,

 

I invite forum members, yourself included, to quote me (with link) if they feel they have samples where I have not been.

[merck]

Typical of lefties. In public, they're always virtue signalling their goodness and how woke, caring and anti-racist they are etc. But in private, their true nature is revealed.