Russian Airline Flight Makes Emergency Landing at BKK After Circling for 3 Hours

[Guderian]

6 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Suvarnabhumi Airport was chosen over Phuket Airport because of its better-equipped emergency support facilities.

 

Well, that puts me off ever flying into Phuket again! lol

[ujayujay]

5 hours ago, digger70 said:

Russian Airline Flight Makes Emergency Landing at BKK After Circling for 3 Hours 

 

Why  not Dumping Fuel .

It's was classed as an Emergency , They are Allowed to dump their Fuel 

 

Pretty Stupid to Fly around for3 Hrs  they knew what the problem was.  

 

Yes, pilots in Thailand, like pilots worldwide, will still dump fuel before an emergency landing if necessary to reduce the aircraft's weight and ensure a safer landing, following standard aviation procedures; this practice is especially important when the situation requires a landing at a smaller airport or if there are concerns about the runway length due to the aircraft's weight. 

Key points about fuel dumping in emergency landings:

Safety measure:

Dumping fuel is a crucial safety measure that allows pilots to land an aircraft at a lighter weight, potentially preventing damage to the aircraft and minimizing the risk of injury in an emergency situation. 

Coordination with ATC:

Pilots must coordinate with air traffic control (ATC) to ensure they dump fuel in designated areas, typically over water or sparsely populated regions. 

Decision based on situation:

The decision to dump fuel is based on the specific emergency situation, the aircraft's weight, and the available runway length. 

Pretty Stupid to think Boeing 777-300 can dump fuel

[MadAtMatrix]

2 minutes ago, ujayujay said:

Pretty Stupid to think Boeing 777-300 can dump fuel

Yep, pretty stupid..... so we know you aren't running a nuclear particle accelerator in between posting on AN. 

 

But larger, wide-body planes, like the Boeing 777 and 747, which have added tanks, can dump fuel. In fact, the FAA requires certain planes to have fuel jettison systems 

https://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/planes-dump-fuel-before-landing.htm#:~:text=But larger%2C wide-body planes,it even hits the ground.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, JoseThailand said:

 

Russian airlines don't need to conform with FAA requirements

Boeing has to when it builds the planes.

[Nid_Noi]

3 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Airbus and Boeing Suspend Technical Support For Russian airlines, 2022-03-03 https://www.airnavradar.com/blog/airbus-and-boeing-suspend-technical-support-for-russian-airlines

Thailand allowing this aircraft to enter Thailand airspace is a threat to its national security. 

But think of the value of Russian tourists! Money, money, money.

Thailand never issued sanctions against Russia. In fact they have plans to join the BRICS.

Regarding sanctions from Airbus and Boeing, Aeroflot has agreements with other countries for getting the necessary spare parts and for scheduled maintenance.

Among them UAE, Turkey, China, India and Brazil.

Too much money involved to let such opportunities go by.

 

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/russia-aircraft-parts-made-by-boeing-airbus-are-flowing-to-country-despite-sanctions-customs-data-shows/
 

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/28/7448566/#:~:text=Ter Assala Parts has been,US%2458 million from Gabon.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, iLuvThai said:

I'm curious if the flight landed safely because even though the front landing gear didn't retract properly but probably went into landing mode without issue, which then makes me wonder if it took 3 hours to decide which airport they should land at. 

The problem was with the landing gear door, not the landing gear.  It took hours to burn off excess fuel for safe landing, not to select an airport.

[sabai-dee-man]

3 hours ago, dantho said:

 

Ha certainly forget the vodka. I flew with Aeroflot to London once via Moscow. They didn't serve any alcohol between Bangkok and Moscow and on the Moscow to London they very reluctantly served a glass of wine by a sour faced Russian stewardess and that was it. I would never travel with them again.

 

I flew Aeroflot LHR-BKK via Moscow about 20 years ago, and London to Moscow was superb! Probably one of the nicest cattle class flights I've ever been on, and really lulled me into a false sense of security!

 

Moscow to BKK was another story though... so bad I never showed for the return, and booked another flight! LOL (Didn't get penalised for it back then.)

[MadAtMatrix]

1 hour ago, iLuvThai said:

I'm curious if the flight landed safely because even though the front landing gear didn't retract properly but probably went into landing mode without issue, which then makes me wonder if it took 3 hours to decide which airport they should land at. 

Phuket has one runway. If it landed and was unable to turn the nose gear, it would be stuck on the runway and blocking all take offs and landings, causing significant problems and expenses for the airport, the airlines en-route / departing Phuket, and the passengers. They would have to divert all incoming flights. This was not an emergency, it was a technical fault, and as such it wasn't something that says "get the plane on the ground now". Burning off fuel is normal to get to the proper landing weight, otherwise there is an "overweight landing " inspection that needs to be carried out, which costs time and money. BKK is more suited to handling this incident and it worked out fine. 

[Nid_Noi]

2 hours ago, twizzian said:

Aeroflop had been dogged with aircraft issues for decades, has anything changed.

I’ll never fly on one of those bucket of bolts ever again

At least it landed safely in BKK without any collision with an army helicopter.

[Liverpool Lou]

21 minutes ago, Tanya Shearn said:

MH17 , July17 th 2014 ,

Russians killed 283 passengers and 15 crew members 

So?

[connda]

6 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

A Russian airline flight that encountered technical difficulties and was forced to circle above the Andaman Sea for over three hours before successfully landing at Suvarnabhumi Airport.

That's to bleed off all the fuel.  Sounds like the pilot thought there was the potential for a crash. 
Glad all worked out well.

[Samh]

5 hours ago, Moriarty said:

Someone probably missed the nose gear pin pre departure . Why not jettison fuel rather than fly around for 3 hours ? 😳

I was wondering why they didn't dump fuel rather than burn it.

[Jonathan Swift]

3 hours ago, dantho said:

 

Ha certainly forget the vodka. I flew with Aeroflot to London once via Moscow. They didn't serve any alcohol between Bangkok and Moscow and on the Moscow to London they very reluctantly served a glass of wine by a sour faced Russian stewardess and that was it. I would never travel with them again.

A sour faced Russian? I'm SHOCKED!

[Liverpool Lou]

18 minutes ago, Xonax said:

Why not perform the safety landing in Moscow instead of circling over Thailand for many hours before landing in Bangkok?

Flying 7500km with an open landing gear door at reduced speed, lower height and higher fuel consumption?  Great idea.

[henryford1958]

One of the ones they stole. Probably has no brakes or maintenance.

[Liverpool Lou]

20 minutes ago, ujayujay said:

Pretty Stupid to think Boeing 777-300 can dump fuel

Even more stupid to accuse someone of being pretty stupid for asking the question when the plane can dump fuel.

[Liverpool Lou]

15 minutes ago, sabai-dee-man said:

 

I flew Aeroflot LHR-BKK via Moscow about 20 years ago, and London to Moscow was superb! Probably one of the nicest cattle class flights I've ever been on, and really lulled me into a false sense of security!

 

Moscow to BKK was another story though... so bad I never showed for the return, and booked another flight! LOL (Didn't get penalised for it back then.)

What was so bad about the Moscow to Bangkok leg?

[MadAtMatrix]

13 minutes ago, connda said:

That's to bleed off all the fuel.  Sounds like the pilot thought there was the potential for a crash. 
Glad all worked out well.

If the pilot believed there was "going to be a crash", they would not circle and work the landing gear problem according to the Boeing checklists as required. A plane can fly until its fuel runs out with the nose gear down. It is NOT an emergency. There would be around 91,000 kgs of fuel on board with reserves for alternate airports for this flight, so they could circle for hours. 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

6 minutes ago, henryford1958 said:

One of the ones they stole. Probably has no brakes or maintenance.

One of the ones that they bought.  Probably has all the brakes it needs and all the required maintenance...the crew have a vested interest in being alive after the flight.

[digger70]

1 hour ago, JoseThailand said:

 

Russian airlines don't need to conform with FAA requirements

Well they should if/when they are operating  Out of their country and carrying Foreign passengers. 

[digger70]

1 hour ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Only when there is a rush that is done. Any landing that is not the destination airport is a 'emergency landing'.

Yea right   That's Absolutely stupid .

An emergency landing Is an an emergency landing  Only IF/When there is Something Wrong Otherwise it Isn't an Emergency.

[2long]

I know that burning fuel off to reduce weight is a standard safety procedure, but there's a lot of innocent marine life in the Andaman Sea that now has become polluted... but if s diver touches a piece of coral, oh my what a drama!

[KhunLA]

Like the idea of not dumping fuel in the sea.   Don't understand the need for the not so 'emergency' landing.  

 

Why not just continue to Moscow, unless pilot thought the gear would cause too much drag, and not enough fuel to make it, if flying at lower altitude and or speed.

[digger70]

40 minutes ago, ujayujay said:

Pretty Stupid to think Boeing 777-300 can dump fuel

OK Smart Ass Know it All.

 

Yes, a Boeing 777-300 is capable of dumping fuel, meaning it has a fuel jettison system that allows it to release fuel in flight, typically used when needing to rapidly reduce weight before landing in an emergency situation; larger wide-body planes like the 777 are designed with this capability. 

 

Key points about fuel dumping on a Boeing 777-300:

• Purpose:

  To reduce weight quickly when necessary for a safe landing, especially if an unexpected situation requires a return to the airport.
• System details:

  The aircraft has dedicated fuel dump valves that release fuel through special nozzles located on the wings.
• Regulations:

  Fuel dumping is strictly regulated by aviation authorities, and pilots must follow specific procedures and designated dumping areas to avoid environmental concerns. 

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[Odinrex]

Surprised the airport director talking about landing on runway 01R... That runway doesn't exist anymore after the third runway was opened last fall. It's now called runway 01, no letter.      

[wozzlegummich]

Dunno how the Ruski's are keeping these things in the air. The sanctions applied do not allow Boeing to supply any spare parts for them. SO what are they using? Probably fake parts manufactured in gods-knows-where by god-knows-who to what standard?

Not gonna see me boarding one of these in the future.

[JoseThailand]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Boeing has to when it builds the planes.

 

They build planes tailored to customers' requirements. A Russian airline obviously didn't order that option

[JoseThailand]

39 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Well they should if/when they are operating  Out of their country and carrying Foreign passengers. 

 

Only if they flew to the US

[Blueman1]

6 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

 

Modern aircraft don't even have the capability to dump fuel

Modern aircraft don't even have the capability to dump fuel......WHAT ????