US votes against the free world at UN

[Harrisfan]

23 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

 

This response by you (@Harrisfan) to simple1's post really proves to me that in fact you don't read any news or history.  The Allies did not side with Russia... they needed them.... almost as much as the Russians needed the aid from the Allies before they could get their war effort organized.  The existential Nazi threat was what brought Russia and the Allies together.

Another of your posts that is a complete non sequitur to the discussion you quoted.  In case you forgot.... the other posters were addressing appeasement to prevent war

More drivel.

[Harrisfan]

24 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

addressing appeasement to prevent war

There is no world war. Wake up. 3 years of drivel. Get off the bar stool.

[gamb00ler]

28 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

More drivel.

I can tell you really struggled for that catchy comeback.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, gamb00ler said:

I can tell you really struggled for that catchy comeback.

3 years of drivel from millions of online experts. You are just a number.

[theblether]

I've seen some utter clownery posted on the Internet but suggesting that the Allies did not join with Russia to defeat Germany is staggering. I cannot believe that any man with a functioning IQ put that in writing. 

 

The difference between FDR and Churchill was that Churchill knew he was dealing with a snake in Stalin. There was an infamous drinking session between Stalin and Churchill which some of you should read up about. Educational. 

 

My assessment is that up to and including Yalta, FDR did regard Russia as an ally. In fact, I reckon FDR believed Stalin to be an ally until the day he died. Churchill knew that Yalta was a disaster and was deeply concerned as to how generous in spirit FDR was to Stalin. 

 

My second assessment is that FDR's illness played a part in his misjudgement. I said it before, here goes again. This concept that there were clear winners during WW2 is a wilful misreading of history. We know who lost, but never forget the Allies abandoned half of Europe to the Communists, the USA then endured 50 years of the Cold War and lost far too many men in battle against communist expansionism worldwide. 

 

You call this victory?

 

And the Brits were bankrupted, to the point they had to walk away from the Empire. The Suez Canal seized which gave rise to a wave of Arab Nationalism with all the attendant problems were are still experiencing to this day.

 

Once again - here's what happened at the end of WW2. The Allies looked at the Russian lines and decided to abandon vast tracts of territory in exchange for peace. That's an uncomfortable fact. The Berlin Blockade was a disaster for the West. 

 

The Allies abandoned many old sovereign states. And you go on about history repeating itself? Correct - 

 

The Allies - now in the form of the EU, and NATO - will again judge it's better to surrender land than run headlong into Russian military units. 

 

So when you refer to history - make sure you understand - the West walked away in 1945 - and they are going to do it again as no sane EU head of state is prepared to send troops into battle against Russia. Not one. 

[frank83628]

On 2/25/2025 at 3:13 PM, transam said:

Where are you then, in  the comfy safety of farangland, nursing your half Russian blood in that safety............

Im not the one pushing for war.

 

How does it feel now youve been proved wrong?

Told you many times Putin wasn't losing but you thought you knew better.... you know the old saying.... fool me once..!!

[simple1]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Im not the one pushing for war.

 

How does it feel now youve been proved wrong?

Told you many times Putin wasn't losing but you thought you knew better.... you know the old saying.... fool me once..!!

 

I suggest no=one on this forum knows if Putin is winning / losing the war in Ukraine. However it is indicative of what's going on when Putin agrees to peace talks as his initial objective was to take over all Ukraine / or get  to surrender with the fall of Kyiv.

[bubblegum]

On 2/25/2025 at 4:27 PM, TedG said:

There are lots of virtual signaling lefties here who stand with Ukraine as long they don't have to do anything.   After three years, you people see that Russia is not leaving unless they are forced to leave, which means boots on the ground from other countries. 

You are wrong on so many things! The EU has given way more money than the US. The EU is willing to send troops. And you're on repeat.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Were you not a nurse not in a combat role? If you believe appeasement is going to stop armed aggression, history proves you wrong

I was a nurse AFTER I left the military. BTW, medics are right up there in the front lines- perhaps you didn't know that.

Regardless history isn't only understood by those in the military.

 

Sooooo, Zelensky et al didn't appease Putin, but he's probably going to win anyway. Even without Trump he is winning.

Pity about the thousands of Ukrainian boys that died for nothing.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

You are wrong on so many things! The EU has given way more money than the US. The EU is willing to send troops. And you're on repeat.

All that proves is that the EU is led by idiots, IMO.

[simple1]

12 hours ago, theblether said:

I've seen some utter clownery posted on the Internet but suggesting that the Allies did not join with Russia to defeat Germany is staggering.

 

Off topic, but deserving clarification: You're misinterpreting. What the other poster said was USA joined in with Russia to defeat the Nazis in WW11 which is not correct. US only declared war on Germany after Hitler had declared war on the US. Thankfully the Russians, with US material help,  did the most of the hard fighting in Europe to defeat the Nazis.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I suggest no=one on this forum knows if Putin is winning / losing the war in Ukraine. However it is indicative of what's going on when Putin agrees to peace talks as his initial objective was to take over all Ukraine / or get  to surrender with the fall of Kyiv.

If unsure if Putin is winning or not, try looking at a map. If his forces are further west today than they were last month, he's winning.

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If unsure if Putin is winning or not, try looking at a map. If his forces are further west today than they were last month, he's winning.

Gaining 1% every 3 months.

[blaze master]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW, medics are right up there in the front lines- perhaps you didn't know that.

 

Hacksaw ridge comes to mind.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

Off topic, but deserving clarification: You're misinterpreting. What the other poster said was USA joined in with Russia to defeat the Nazis in WW11 which is not correct. US only declared war on Germany after Hitler had declared war on the US. Thankfully the Russians, with US material help,  did the most of the hard fighting in Europe to defeat the Nazis.

Thank you for pointing out some facts re the reason the US went to war and the role the Soviets played in it. The US did not voluntarily join the conflict. Had Hitler not been an idiot and not declared war on America, likely they would not have done so.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, blaze master said:

 

Hacksaw ridge comes to mind.

Indeed. That's what a real hero looks like.

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I was a nurse AFTER I left the military. BTW, medics are right up there in the front lines- perhaps you didn't know that.

Regardless history isn't only understood by those in the military.

 

Sooooo, Zelensky et al didn't appease Putin, but he's probably going to win anyway. Even without Trump he is winning.

Pity about the thousands of Ukrainian boys that died for nothing.

 

Apologies for my mistake. IMO Ukraine had no option but to resist the Russian invasion otherwise Russia would have occupied Kyiv and forced the surrender of Ukraine. Suggest it better to condemn Putin for all the cruelty, death and destruction. On the other side of the coin to condemn trump for his greed and attempted extortion - vile man that he is!

[Harrisfan]

11 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

You are wrong on so many things! The EU has given way more money than the US. The EU is willing to send troops. And you're on repeat.

Europe is closeby. Look at a map.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

Apologies for my mistake. IMO Ukraine had no option but to resist the Russian invasion otherwise Russia would have occupied Kyiv and forced the surrender of Ukraine. Suggest it better to condemn Putin for all the cruelty, death and destruction. On the other side of the coin to condemn trump for his greed and attempted extortion - vile man that he is!

Putin hates Ukraine. Full of Nazis.

[Lacessit]

12 hours ago, theblether said:

 

The Allies - now in the form of the EU, and NATO - will again judge it's better to surrender land than run headlong into Russian military units. 

 

 

That statement was probably correct prior to the second invasion of Ukraine.

 

The Russian army has been exposed as utterly incompetent in logistics. Its military equipment has been so inferior it has lost 4000 tanks. It does not even have air supremacy over Ukraine. Its Black Sea fleet has been forced to retreat from Sevastopol by a country with no navy.

 

Russian GDP is about $4 trillion. The combined EU GDP is $20 trillion. Russia population 144 million, combined EU population 450 million. God is on the side of the big battalions.

 

It depends on whether EU leaders can be cohesive enough to put boots on the ground in Ukraine. If they do, Russia is toast. Its only hope then would be tactical nukes.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, simple1 said:

 

Apologies for my mistake. IMO Ukraine had no option but to resist the Russian invasion otherwise Russia would have occupied Kyiv and forced the surrender of Ukraine. Suggest it better to condemn Putin for all the cruelty, death and destruction. On the other side of the coin to condemn trump for his greed and attempted extortion - vile man that he is!

Well, my opinion differs from yours. Had Zelensky tried to negotiate and still been invaded I would have a different opinion, but he didn't.

Jaw jaw is ALWAYS better than war war, especially for the baggies going in harms way while the bureaucrats feast and drink wine miles and miles and miles behind the lines.

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thank you for pointing out some facts re the reason the US went to war and the role the Soviets played in it. The US did not voluntarily join the conflict. Had Hitler not been an idiot and not declared war on America, likely they would not have done so.

Hitler sent a telegram to Mexico asking them to join the war and attack the US. The Brits intercepted the message and told the Americans.

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Putin hates Ukraine. Full of Nazis.

 

There was one battalion who were identified as neo Nazis and changed colours after the invasion. The Ukraine government and people in general were not neo Nazis. Ukraine suffered enormously under the Nazis. Russia has neo Nazi elements what has Putin done about them?

 

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis

[NumbNut]

14 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Hitler sent a telegram to Mexico asking them to join the war and attack the US. The Brits intercepted the message and told the Americans.

That's WWI, The Zimmerman Telegram. Not WWII, which is what the several replies are referring to.

 

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/zimmermann

 

Hitler was a Corporal back then.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, simple1 said:

 

There was one battalion who were identified as neo Nazis and changed colours after the invasio. The Ukraine government and people in geral were not Nazis. Ukraine suffered enormously under the Nazis. Russia has neo Nazi elements what has Putin done about them?

 

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis

250,000 Ukraine troops joined the Nazis in ww2.

[simple1]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

250,000 Ukraine troops joined the Nazis in ww2.

 

Just now, Harrisfan said:

250,000 Ukraine troops joined the Nazis in ww2.

 

WW11 has been over for nearly 80 years. Yes some joined the Germans due to the Soviet slaughter of millions of Ukrainians. 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

 

WW11 has been over for nearly 80 years. Yes some joined the Germans due to the Soviet slaughter of millions of Ukrainians. 

Anyway Trump the man will end it. That pussy Biden did nothing.

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

 

WW11 has been over for nearly 80 years. Yes some joined the Germans due to the Soviet slaughter of millions of Ukrainians. 

The poster you are responding to likes cherry-picking history.

[BritManToo]

There is no free world, except in some peoples imagination!

 

In a free world I'd be able to move from country to country without a passport or VISA and still keep my pension, healthcare and bank accounts with no risk of losing them. 

 

In a free world, my government wouldn't take money from me to give to wealthier countries as foreign aid.

[frank83628]

42 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I suggest no=one on this forum knows if Putin is winning / losing the war in Ukraine. However it is indicative of what's going on when Putin agrees to peace talks as his initial objective was to take over all Ukraine / or get  to surrender with the fall of Kyiv.

You really need to switch news channels, Putin was concentrating the East, Kiev was never the target.