Anti-vaxers kill child in Texas

[impulse]

From the linked article:

 

Officials did not answer questions regarding the patient’s specific age, any other health issues, or details about the patient’s schooling in a press conference jointly hosted by Covenant Health and the City of Lubbock Public Health on Wednesday.

 

That's a little light on details given how many students in Texas came across the border in the past few years, from countries where the MMR vaccination rate is low and underlying health issues abound.  Especially when the OP is blaming anti-vaxxers for the death.

 

Often, there's a reason they go light on the details.  If they want to push a narrative.

 

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

Often, there's a reason they go light on the details.  If they want to push a narrative.

Push a Lie

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Humans lived for 1m years no vaccines.

But they also died.

[LukKrueng]

5 hours ago, gargamon said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/26/health/texas-measles-death/index.html

Child in West Texas is first US measles death in a decade

The first measles death in the growing outbreak in West Texas was a school-aged child.

The child was unvaccinated and had been hospitalized in Lubbock, Texas, said Lauren Adams, Lubbock city spokesperson.

This is the first US measles death since 2015, when a woman in Washington state died.

The number of confirmed measles cases reported in an outbreak in West Texas is now at 124, the Texas Department of Health Services said in an update Tuesday, an increase of 34 since late last week. Most of the cases are in children ages 5 to 17.

 

You have to thank the governments around the world that pushed the newly untested mRNA vaccines that caused a lot of damage. I never doubted vaccines until C19. I do now.

[harryviking]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

Ads a kid we were all vaccinated against this and a few other diseases. These vaccines have been used for decades and are safe! I never heard of anyone falling ill after vaccinated back then and not since either! Hysterical people afraid of needles should STFU! America is now probably the dumbest place on earth! Just look at who they have as a president and more....  

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

You have to thank the governments around the world that pushed the newly untested mRNA vaccines that caused a lot of damage. I never doubted vaccines until C19. I do now.

 

That's a pretty concise summary of the state of things. 

 

They really screwed the pooch with the mRNAs. (Those are my words, not from any specific sources)

[impulse]

Just now, harryviking said:

Ads a kid we were all vaccinated against this and a few other diseases. These vaccines have been used for decades and are safe! I never heard of anyone falling ill after vaccinated back then and not since either! Hysterical people afraid of needles should STFU! America is now probably the dumbest place on earth! Just look at who they have as a president and more....  

 

Someone needs to explain the massive increase in the rate of autism and other chronic childhood (and adult) diseases that we've seen over the past 50 years.  It may not be vaccines causing it.  But I kinda want to know.  There are too many entities trying to squelch the data, good, bad and indifferent. 

 

I'm hoping RFK Jr digs into the data.  It's out there.  We just need smart people not paid by moneyed interests to dig into it.  A little help from the AI community would be handy, too.

 

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

 

Without the MMR vaccine, it is estimated that 2.5 to 3 million deaths per year would occur globally due to measles alone, along with additional deaths and disabilities from mumps and rubella.

 

But the question you pose is like asking how many people have died from drinking water.... 

 

 

I'm sure there are numbers who have.....  choked etc...       Vaccines have various ingredients, for example the MMR vaccine has: 

 

Active Ingredients (Antigens)

- Live attenuated measles virus

- Live attenuated mumps virus

- Live attenuated rubella virus

Inactive Ingredients (Excipients)

- Sugars (e.g., sucrose, sorbitol, lactose) – to stabilise the vaccine.

- Gelatin – a stabiliser derived from porcine sources.

- Neomycin – an antibiotic to prevent bacterial contamination.

- Human albumin – a protein stabiliser.

- Fetal bovine serum – used in virus growth but largely removed in the final product.

- Monosodium glutamate (MSG) (in some versions) – as a stabiliser.

 

Many of the inactive ingredients are in many (most) other vaccines too... and of course, some people (Children or adults) will have a vaccine adverse reaction to some of these stabilisers, antibiotics, serums, adjuvants  etc...   It was the same for the Covid vaccines that Anti-vaxxers jumped all over.

 

 

BUT...   the question asked of you Brit... has to be handled intelligently because its emotive... 

Its like asking how many seatbelts have killed people in car accidents - and the answer surely is that somewhere, seatbelts have been the actual reason people die, the can catch the neck, or even trap someone in a burning car etc....  is that a reason not to wear seatbelts ?

 

In aggregate the 'saving' outweighs the risk by such an overwhelming degree to make the 'risk' insignificant.... 

 

The issue with these discussions is that some concentrate on the risks and bring an irrational greater significance to that risk and the topics go down a rabbit hole of irrational imbalance. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

You have to thank the governments around the world that pushed the newly untested mRNA vaccines that caused a lot of damage. I never doubted vaccines until C19. I do now.

 

No... in this case you have to 'thank' stupid and uneducated parents for their galactic stupidity.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

But my IQ range is 127 to 143.

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Thais have low IQs and the average lifespan of a Thai is very low.

 

A comment which directly contradicts your own IQ claim....  Its always highlight entertaining when idiots think they have an above average IQ yet prove so clearly they don't know what they don't know !!!... 

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Without the MMR vaccine, it is estimated that 2.5 to 3 million deaths per year would occur globally due to measles alone, along with additional deaths and disabilities from mumps and rubella.

 

Maybe.  But the death rates in the USA were decreasing steadily long before the MMR vaccine came out in 1971.  Most people seem to think that was due to improved sanitation and living conditions, and would have continued to drop with or without the MMR.  I don't claim to know the answer.  I want our health experts to dig into it, free of the corrupting influence of those profiting from it.

 

 

 

In countries with deplorable sanitary conditions, they obviously may need a different calculation.

 

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

A comment which directly contradicts your own IQ claim....  Its always highlight entertaining when idiots think they have an above average IQ yet prove so clearly they don't know what they don't know !!!... 

 

 

 

 

 Average Thai man lives to 72. Average Thai IQ is 88.9.

 

Thanks for proving you have a low one.

 

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Maybe.  But the death rates in the USA were decreasing steadily long before the MMR vaccine came out in 1971.  Most people seem to think that was due to improved sanitation and living conditions, and would have continued to drop with or without the MMR.  I don't claim to know the answer.  I want our health experts to dig into it.

 

 

 

In countries with deplorable sanitary conditions, they obviously may need a different calculation.

 

 

Same as fluoride into water and tooth decay. Leftists never question things.

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, sungod said:

I read the article and couldn't fine the part where 'anti vaxers' killed the child. I do note however that the child was unvaccinated which is very foolish.

 

Dont you think your head line is a little dramatic? You do make yourself appear a little silly.

 

Dramatic - Yes....    Inaccurate No....

 

The Parents are directly complicit in the death of the child by actively choosing not the vaccinate. 

 

This would be as equally complicit as me not putting my child in an infant car seat when our child was a baby, not using a car seat now and not insisting on a seat belt. 

 

My actions and negligence would be directly responsible for the death or serious injury in the event of an accident - effectively killing, in this case the term is 'killing' is highly emotive and designed to trigger debate - never the less, the 'over exaggeration' of using the word 'kill' does not diminish the culpability of the parents in their child's death due to their poor decision making. 

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Dramatic - Yes....    Inaccurate No....

 

The Parents are directly complicit in the death of the child by actively choosing not the vaccinate. 

 

This would be as equally complicit as me not putting my child in an infant car seat when our child was a baby, not using a car seat now and not insisting on a seat belt. 

 

My actions and negligence would be directly responsible for the death or serious injury in the event of an accident - effectively killing, in this case the term is 'killing' is highly emotive and designed to trigger debate - never the less, the 'over exaggeration' of using the word 'kill' does not diminish the culpability of the parents in their child's death due to their poor decision making. 

Totally false comparison. Measles have a 0.1% death rate where as car crashes actually kill far more kids. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

22 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Maybe.  But the death rates in the USA were decreasing steadily long before the MMR vaccine came out in 1971.  Most people seem to think that was due to improved sanitation and living conditions, and would have continued to drop with or without the MMR.  I don't claim to know the answer.  I want our health experts to dig into it, free of the corrupting influence of those profiting from it.

 

 

 

In countries with deplorable sanitary conditions, they obviously may need a different calculation.

 

 

 

Measles and deaths due to measles is on the rise... 

Its directly because of Anti-vaxxers..... 

 

 

[connda]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

The sickest I've ever been in my life was 12 hours after receiving a MMR vaccine in my early 20s.  Talked into taking it by a doctor. In retrospect knowing what I know today, I would  never have done it. I'd already had measles and mumps as I kid, and my guess is that I was experiencing a form of antibody-dependent enhancement.

By the way, I grew up in an era when every kid on the block got measles and mumps and all the other childhood diseases.  I don't know anyone who died of a childhood disease.
Sad that the child died of measles, but the reality is that some people don't have strong immune systems in the first place.  And given my own experience with MMR vaccines, the shot could have killed him.  And as BritManToo mentions, how many kids have been kill by the shot?  Up to now that's probably been covered up.  Now with RFK Jr as head of the NIH, we may actually begin to find out just how dangerous the so-called "vaccines" themselves are.

[connda]

42 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Without the MMR vaccine, it is estimated that 2.5 to 3 million deaths per year would occur globally due to measles alone, along with additional deaths and disabilities from mumps and rubella.

Which manufacturer of the MMR 'vaccine' funded those studies and create those "estimates."

[connda]

48 minutes ago, impulse said:

Someone needs to explain the massive increase in the rate of autism and other chronic childhood (and adult) diseases that we've seen over the past 50 years. 

I'm seriously hoping HHS director Robert Kennedy Jr opens the door for the research to ascertain if there is a connection between autism and the massive increase in childhood vaccinations. 

[sungod]

36 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Dramatic - Yes....    Inaccurate No....

 

The Parents are directly complicit in the death of the child by actively choosing not the vaccinate. 

 

This would be as equally complicit as me not putting my child in an infant car seat when our child was a baby, not using a car seat now and not insisting on a seat belt. 

 

My actions and negligence would be directly responsible for the death or serious injury in the event of an accident - effectively killing, in this case the term is 'killing' is highly emotive and designed to trigger debate - never the less, the 'over exaggeration' of using the word 'kill' does not diminish the culpability of the parents in their child's death due to their poor decision making. 

 Do you know the reason why the child is unvaccinated?

 

Thought not.

 

You have already been swayed by a dramatic headline....

[Samh]

In the news today and totally avoidable. 8 year old diabetic girl dies due to religious cranks. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp9yxvjx19go

[richard_smith237]

35 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

 Average Thai man lives to 72. Average Thai IQ is 88.9.

 

Thanks for proving you have a low one.

 

 

And you think you have an IQ of 127-143 !!!...      such hilarious statements made by fools who simply have no idea of the world around them.... ignorance is bliss..

 

But the most amusing part is that you appear to be suggesting that national average IQ is related to life expectancy.... 

 

The correlation coefficient between total life expectancy and average national IQ is 0.234, with a p-value of 0.849.

 

A correlation of 0.234 suggests a weak positive correlation, meaning that higher IQ may be slightly associated with higher life expectancy, but the relationship is not strong.

 

The p-value (0.849) is very high, indicating that this correlation is not statistically significant, meaning there is no strong evidence that national IQ and life expectancy are directly related.

 

In short: Data does not show a strong direct relationship between national IQ and life expectancy.

 

Why the Correlation is Likely False (Other Influencing Factors):

Healthcare Quality & Access: Countries with universal healthcare systems (like the UK) tend to have higher life expectancy, regardless of IQ.

 

Economic Development & Wealth: GDP per capita and income inequality have a stronger influence on life expectancy than IQ.

 

Public Health & Sanitation: Clean water, sanitation, and disease control measures significantly impact life expectancy.

 

Nutrition & Living Conditions: Malnutrition and living standards directly affect longevity, but are not linked to IQ.

 

Crime & Violence Rates: Countries with high crime or war see reduced life expectancy, regardless of IQ.

 

Education & Health Awareness: General health literacy and education impact longevity more than raw intelligence scores.

 

Lifestyle Factors (Smoking, Diet, Exercise): Cultural habits around smoking, alcohol, and diet have a major impact.

 

Environmental Pollution & Climate:  Air pollution, exposure to toxins, and climate factors affect national life expectancy.

 

Genetic & Biological Factors: Some populations may have genetic predispositions affecting longevity, unrelated to IQ.

 

Conclusion: While higher IQ might contribute to better decision-making regarding health and education, it is not a major driver of life expectancy. More significant factors like healthcare, wealth, lifestyle, and public infrastructure play a much bigger role.

 

Finally... this is why I would usually ignore posters such as yourself - because you think you are clever, you amusingly claim this higher IQ yet remain persistent in proving your mediocrity - In short you are a waste of time and I've wasted 10 minutes putting together a response to an idiot who's only going to drag me down to his level... 

 

 

 

 

 

[pete43]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

The death toll from unvaccinated measles cases already exceeds that from the MMR vaccine (which is almost non-existant) Anti-Vaxxers need to get the facts before spreading nonsense!

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, connda said:

Which manufacturer of the MMR 'vaccine' funded those studies and create those "estimates."

 

No idea... but your question belies your bias, though I am cynical of many studies, there is also overwhelming evidence from any / every study carried out. 

 

IMO - to question the efficacy of these vaccines to question gravity or the sphericity of the earth - the debates and discussions are exhausting because its takes so much effort to argue at that level , as perfectly exampled Philomena Cunk's satire.

 

There's a strong possibility you and many of us would not be alive today without vaccination - that belies my bias... and its pointless going down the rabbit-hole with anti-vaxxers.

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, sungod said:

50 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Dramatic - Yes....    Inaccurate No....

 

The Parents are directly complicit in the death of the child by actively choosing not the vaccinate. 

 

This would be as equally complicit as me not putting my child in an infant car seat when our child was a baby, not using a car seat now and not insisting on a seat belt. 

 

My actions and negligence would be directly responsible for the death or serious injury in the event of an accident - effectively killing, in this case the term is 'killing' is highly emotive and designed to trigger debate - never the less, the 'over exaggeration' of using the word 'kill' does not diminish the culpability of the parents in their child's death due to their poor decision making. 

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 Do you know the reason why the child is unvaccinated?

 

Thought not.

 

You have already been swayed by a dramatic headline....

 

Thats true - the headline is very easily misleading and lends one to the conclusion that the parents deliberately chose not to vaccinate their child through 'anti-vax' sentiment. 

 

If they had not vaccinated their child because their child had allergies to vaccinations (some) then I'd be far more sympathetic, but then there are 'alternative delivery methods' which surely the article would have mentioned. 

 

There is no information that states 'other reasons' why the parents opted out of vaccination. 

 

Thus: while it is an assumption, the assumption is the parents opted out of vaccinating their child due to anti-vaccination preferences.... which placed their child in grave danger. 

[connda]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thus: while it is an assumption, the assumption is the parents opted out of vaccinating their child due to anti-vaccination preferences.... which placed their child in grave danger. 

I'm really surprised that all of the AN members here who are my age didn't die from childhood diseases like measles when they were kids before there were any "vaccines."  "Grave danger, grave danger!"  Like I said, I know of absolutely no child with whom I grew up who died from childhood diseases.  The only affected group I knew were kids who got polio and I can only remember one of those.  Btw, I'm 100% pro-polio vaccinations.  MMR "vaccines."  No way would I give that to my own child. Individual shots for each of those viral childhood diseases?  I'd consider it.  But MMR - never!

"You're an 'anti-vaxxer'."
🙄  Lord, put a lid on it!

 

[atpeace]

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 of deaths were in subjects with serious pre-existing medical  or who had accidents 

 

Hmm, are you describing Covid deaths? 🙂

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, LukKrueng said:

You have to thank the governments around the world that pushed the newly untested mRNA vaccines that caused a lot of damage. I never doubted vaccines until C19. I do now.

The child that died should have been vaccinated long before covid so you can't blame that.

[impulse]

34 minutes ago, connda said:

I'm seriously hoping HHS director Robert Kennedy Jr opens the door for the research to ascertain if there is a connection between autism and the massive increase in childhood vaccinations. 

 

Something's causing the massive increase.  And the people I trust the least to do the investigation are those on the hook for $ hundreds of billions of liability if it turns out to be their product.  Whether that's Big Farma or Big Food or even cell phone radiation.  We deserve to know.

[atpeace]

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There's a strong possibility you and many of us would not be alive today without vaccination - that belies my bias... and its pointless going down the rabbit-hole with anti-vaxxers.

I aggree but not being allowed to discuss other options is OK?  Would we have needed the vaccines if  the world population wasn't so  terribly unhealthy?  The odds of me dieing of Covid was basically zero.