This has got to be the greatest deal ever.  Donald will get 50% of future Ukrainian natural resources, while Europe should guarantee the survival of the rest of the Ukraine. Something Europe can not (militarily) provide.

 

The fly in the ointment: Unless the US gives "guarantees", no mining giant will invest a single Dollar in exploring Ukrainian resources. Start-up mining costs massive amounts of money.

 

The very fact, that Donald will rely on Vladimir's "goodwill" (practically making him the grantor of the independence of the rest of the Ukraine), shows a degree of political naivete that is unrivalled in recent history.

 

Finally leading to the conclusion that Donald doesn't give a hoot about a US/European friendship that lasted for 80 years. Benefitting both. By persuing this strategy, the US will end up with no friends in the end. But having to deal with a formidable new enemy: China. With no friends left.

 

13 minutes ago, swissie said:

This has got to be the greatest deal ever.  Donald will get 50% of future Ukrainian natural resources, while Europe should guarantee the survival of the rest of the Ukraine. Something Europe can not (militarily) provide.

 

The fly in the ointment: Unless the US gives "guarantees", no mining giant will invest a single Dollar in exploring Ukrainian resources. Start-up mining costs massive amounts of money.

 

The very fact, that Donald will rely on Vladimir's "goodwill" (practically making him the grantor of the independence of the rest of the Ukraine), shows a degree of political naivete that is unrivalled in recent history.

 

Finally leading to the conclusion that Donald doesn't give a hoot about a US/European friendship that lasted for 80 years. Benefitting both. By persuing this strategy, the US will end up with no friends in the end. But having to deal with a formidable new enemy: China. With no friends left.

 

Friends with lefties in Europe and US 

 

You guys are a hoot. Euros hate each other. Countries trade for money not friendship.....

 

Lets all be friends....

10 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Friends with lefties in Europe and US 

 

You guys are a hoot. Euros hate each other. Countries trade for money not friendship.....

 

Lets all be friends....

Easier to trade with friends. As with enemies all trade stops.

3 minutes ago, swissie said:

Easier to trade with friends. As with enemies all trade stops.

China and Russia hate each other. France and Germany hate each other. Japan and China hate each other. Thailand and Cambodia hate each other. USA and Mexico hate each other. Friends are for school kids.

6 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

China and Russia hate each other. France and Germany hate each other. Japan and China hate each other. Thailand and Cambodia hate each other. USA and Mexico hate each other. Friends are for school kids.

An exagerration for sure, but as long as there are "nations", there will be "nationalism". Care to comment on the topic?

Just now, swissie said:

An exagerration for sure, but as long as there are "nations", there will be "nationalism". Care to comment on the topic?

Just more Trump bashing nonsense. 

13 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Just more Trump bashing nonsense. 

The usual, when even the Trumpists can't really follow  Donalds way into the "golden years". Care to comment on my thread or rather not?

"Trump bashing" as a standart reply is not sufficient.

1 minute ago, swissie said:

The usual, when even the Trumpists can't really follow  Donalds way into the "golden years". Care to comment on my thread or rather not?

"Trump bashing" as a standart reply is not sufficient.

I did. Trade is business. Friends are for kids. Russia and UK were enemies but joined to defeat the Nazis. The US is the world's largest economy. Leaders change every few years. Just Trump bashing. Wrong for 9 years why right now? I don't trust people who are wrong for 108 months in a row. Their record says it all. Trump had the best US economy since the 80s. Next.

12 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I did. Trade is business. Friends are for kids. Russia and UK were enemies but joined to defeat the Nazis. The US is the world's largest economy. Leaders change every few years. Just Trump bashing. Wrong for 9 years why right now? I don't trust people who are wrong for 108 months in a row. Their record says it all. Trump had the best US economy since the 80s. Next.

The reason Donald "inherited" the best economy since the 80ties has been documented manyfold. It was not owed to his "Genius". I would kindly ask you to comment within this thread. Otherwise I would suggest you open a new thread: "Donald and the future blessings of the world", for example.

1 minute ago, swissie said:

The reason Donald "inherited" the best economy since the 80ties has been documented manyfold. It was not owed to his "Genius". I would kindly ask you to comment within this thread. Otherwise I would suggest you open a new thread: "Donald and the future blessings of the world", for example.

False claim. Learn to study the information before making false claims. You got everything wrong for 9 years. That is a poor record. Give up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/28/second-estimate-of-us-q4-2016-gdp.html

 

Slow GDP growth.

 

"The economy grew 1.6 percent for all of 2016, its worst performance since 2011, after expanding 2.6 percent in 2015."

 

Trump inherited a weak economy 

 

 

Unemployment 4.7%

 

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

 

You Trump bashers always get it wrong.

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/28/second-estimate-of-us-q4-2016-gdp.html

 

Slow GDP growth.

 

"The economy grew 1.6 percent for all of 2016, its worst performance since 2011, after expanding 2.6 percent in 2015."

 

Trump inherited a weak economy 

 

 

Unemployment 4.7%

 

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

 

You Trump bashers always get it wrong.

I would think your time to be better spent researching tomorrow's KFC meal.

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

I would think your time to be better spent researching tomorrow's KFC meal.

I asked but the nasty trolls won't help 

12 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

False claim. Learn to study the information before making false claims. You got everything wrong for 9 years. That is a poor record. Give up.

Surely, you have been following "Fox News" for the last 200 years. As you are not willing to comment "on topic" I will disregard your future comments within this thread.

Just now, swissie said:

Surely, you have been following "Fox News" for the last 200 years. As you are not willing to comment "on topic" I will disregard your future comments within this thread.

I did several times. 

1 hour ago, swissie said:

By persuing this strategy, the US will end up with no friends in the end. But having to deal with a formidable new enemy: China. With no friends left.

Already answered. 

1 hour ago, swissie said:

Easier to trade with friends. As with enemies all trade stops.

 

How often did the Soviets, or more recently the Russians, cut off the gas?

 

It sure wasn't Putin that blowed up Nordstream, look to Europe's "friends."

 

 

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Already answered. 

This thread sails under "the deal of all deals", it may have escaped you. It has to do with the Ukraine and not with the mental framework of a real estate developper that managed to convince a good part of the US electorate that by imposing "tariffs", promessing increased "wealth" for everybody. The only profiteers will be his "buddy-billionaires".

 

If a nation needs "tariff protection", it means that we can not compete in a globalised world. To secure Ukrainian resources would soften the economical incompetifeness of the US. Outside of "silicon-valley" nothing much is happening.

2 minutes ago, swissie said:

This thread sails under "the deal of all deals", it may have escaped you. It has to do with the Ukraine and not with the mental framework of a real estate developper that managed to convince a good part of the US electorate that by imposing "tariffs", promessing increased "wealth" for everybody. The only profiteers will be his "buddy-billionaires".

 

If a nation needs "tariff protection", it means that we can not compete in a globalised world. To secure Ukrainian resources would soften the economical incompetifeness of the US. Outside of "silicon-valley" nothing much is happening.

Ok if you say so.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Just more Trump bashing nonsense. 

Why do they write so many words just to say

Wah wah wah

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why do they write so many words just to say

Wah wah wah

Who knows. This guy is European. 

43 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I asked but the nasty trolls won't help 

Just look in the mirror.

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Just look in the mirror.

No kfc there

9 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Who knows. This guy is European. 

This guy is also a Dual-Citizen, having lived in the US for 25 years. Was a member of the finest golf clubs in Arizona, as well as a welcome visitor and supporter of people living in tents or in their cars. So I know "the bright side" as well as the "dark side" of the American dream.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

I did. Trade is business. Friends are for kids. Russia and UK were enemies but joined to defeat the Nazis. The US is the world's largest economy. Leaders change every few years. Just Trump bashing. Wrong for 9 years why right now? I don't trust people who are wrong for 108 months in a row. Their record says it all. Trump had the best US economy since the 80s. Next.

I guess you were sleeping during the Clinton years: Not only was unemployment low, but in the final years of his term there was actually a budget surplus. Thanks in part to substantial tax increases which Republicans claimed would sink the economy.

 

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess you were sleeping during the Clinton years: Not only was unemployment low, but in the final years of his term there was actually a budget surplus. Thanks in part to substantial tax increases which Republicans claimed would sink the economy.

 

Of course, Fox News  consumers will qualify such things as "Fake News". Other news sources are part of a "news conspiracy", preventing the "Hillbillies" of America in combination with other mentally less gifted to gain power. Now they have gained power. Them not knowing yet that they will get poorer and poorer in the process.

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess you were sleeping during the Clinton years: Not only was unemployment low, but in the final years of his term there was actually a budget surplus. Thanks in part to substantial tax increases which Republicans claimed would sink the economy.

 

 

Thoughts in the glass steagall act repeal that led to the 2008 crisis ? 

 

Part of Clintons legacy as well.

10 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Thoughts in the glass steagall act repeal that led to the 2008 crisis ? 

 

Part of Clintons legacy as well.

 

Not every agrees that it led to the financial crisis. Since you assert that it does, then let's hear your thoughts...on another thread that you can start, instead of hijacking this one.

10 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

Not every agrees that it led to the financial crisis. Since you assert that it does, then let's hear your thoughts...on another thread that you can start, instead of hijacking this one.

 

Re read the comment I replied to. The poster directly named Clinton. So I replied with Clinton. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

Not every agrees that it led to the financial crisis. Since you assert that it does, then let's hear your thoughts...on another thread that you can start, instead of hijacking this one.

 

I wonder which old member you're the reincarnation of. 

 

Quite a few coming out of hiding lately. Where' there's smoke.....