Trump Only Had Three Cards He Could Play - And He's Already Blown Them All

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The death and destruction is only beginning, give Trump another year or two and those who supported him will begin to understand the very nature of the man, and the staggering extent of his deception, malice, evil and corruption. 

Yes, he's never been in power before, this is his first term as President so no one can know what he's like for another two years?  What the duck are you going on about?

[Liverpool Lou]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is a clear and present danger to the security of both the United States and the Free World and he must be stopped. The Senators and Congress members of his own party and the Democratic party must stand up and defend freedom and rational thinking, and against this insane goon.

Gawd...

[NoDisplayName]

28 minutes ago, ChumpChange said:

Zelensky has been fighting a war for the last three years.

 

Zelensky has been grifting for the last three years, sending others to die for whatever the claim is this week, while he does the begging tour of European capitals.

 

He'll be 'coptering off with suitcases full of benjamins in short order, soon to be sharing a flat with that other installed vassal Karzai once his usefulness comes to a complete end.

[ChumpChange]

25 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Zelensky has been grifting for the last three years, sending others to die for whatever the claim is this week, while he does the begging tour of European capitals.

 

He'll be 'coptering off with suitcases full of benjamins in short order, soon to be sharing a flat with that other installed vassal Karzai once his usefulness comes to a complete end.

You started with fiction, I gave you back reality, and now you're giving us more unfounded fables mate. Alas, here is some more reality for you:

 

In June of 1941, Hitler's Army began a rampage through Ukraine, razing towns, unleashing death squads, and massacring Jews by the hundreds of thousands. In one village, four Jewish brothers enlisted in the military, said goodbye to their parents, and walked off to fight the Nazis. 

 

By the war's end in 1945, only one of the brothers, named Semyon, was still alive. He returned to find that the Nazis had torched his entire village, burning his parents to death. Semyon's family was dead, and his beloved Ukraine was in ruins. The Nazis had murdered between 1.2 and 1.6 million Ukrainian Jews.

 

Semyon married a fellow Ukrainian Jew who had survived the war by fleeing her city, in which the Nazis had killed 5,000 Jews. Two years later, in that same city, they had a son, Oleksandr, keeping alive the family line that the Nazis had brought a razor's width from extinction. Thirty-one years after that, Oleksandr had his own little boy.

 

That boy was Volodymyr Zelensky, who grew up to become the President of independent, democratic Ukraine.

 

[NoDisplayName]

3 minutes ago, ChumpChange said:

That boy was Volodymyr Zelensky, who grew up to become the President of independent, democratic Ukraine.

 

That boy grew up to become the illegitimate "leader" of a nazi apartheid regime, and responsible for attempting to ethnically cleanse the Donbass, and then the loss of 1/4 of his territory, and then the deaths of an entire generation of Ukranians.

 

Winning!

[bubblegum]

Never have I seen so many stupid posts on any forum but right now right here. 47 seems to suck out the brains (if any) of his followers. Again and again they come with the same debunked stories, it's tiresome.

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, ChumpChange said:

Complete wholesale rubbish. The only thing he dodged was a bad deal being thrown at him by Trump.

 

Zelensky has been fighting a war for the last three years. He could have fled to the UK or Germany, enrolled his daughters in international schools, and lived a quiet, peaceful, safe and comfortable life. But he stayed to fight, to protect his country as a real leader, and he is still fighting. Get a grip on reality, mate.

 

And he and his wife are respected and loved. 

[morrobay]

11 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Gawd...

Right , just speechless with this slop from a few of these "cases"around here. Just enjoy  the Schadenfreude they are providing as they wallow in these endless anti Trump diatribes 

 

[bamnutsak]

Trump Only Had Three Cards He Could Play - And He's Already Blown Them All

 

 

Great thread title given the subject managed to bankrupt six casinos.

[HappyExpat57]

 

So are treaties the US has signed simply forgotten because the political winds shifted?

 

https://1997-2001.state.gov/regions/nis/fs-us_ukr_970618.html#:~:text=In January 1994%2C the U.S.,the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.

 

 

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

So are treaties the US has signed simply forgotten because the political winds shifted?

 

https://1997-2001.state.gov/regions/nis/fs-us_ukr_970618.html#:~:text=In January 1994%2C the U.S.,the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.

 

 

So Russia broke a treaty.

[Hanaguma]

Small fly in your ointment is that, according to the BBC, Zelenski is now suddenly prepared to SIGN the mineral deal with the US.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5220x56pqt

[Harrisfan]

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Small fly in your ointment is that, according to the BBC, Zelenski is now suddenly prepared to SIGN the mineral deal with the US.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5220x56pqt

Congrats Trump. 

[Harrisfan]

12 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, he's never been in power before, this is his first term as President so no one can know what he's like for another two years?  What the duck are you going on about?

2017 called they want their Democrat alarmists back

[bunnydrops]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Small fly in your ointment is that, according to the BBC, Zelenski is now suddenly prepared to SIGN the mineral deal with the US.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5220x56pqt

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tells the BBC that Ukraine remains ready to sign a rare minerals deal with the US following his heated confrontation with Donald Trump on Friday"

[FriscoKid]

This explains exactly what happened. 
 

 

[bobbin]

On 3/2/2025 at 6:56 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Let's see you explain how that is the case....rationally.

Sure.. i'll take a crack at it..

 

Neville Chamberlain.. "Peace in our time" Ring a bell?

 

Caved to Der Fuhrer. Million subsequently died. You don't don't give the aggressor what they want.. Because they will be back for more. /and people will die. Unnecesarily.

 

[frank83628]

On 3/2/2025 at 6:55 AM, ExpatOilWorker said:

The oval office confrontation was a major win 🏆 for Zelensky. The world saw how unreasonable and manipulating Trump and JD are. The world now stand behind Ukraine 🇺🇦, without the US.

You don't speak for the world, you speak for yourself only. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

You don't speak for the world, you speaknfor yourslef only. 

Who is Yourslef, a Ukrainian............?  

[bobbin]

On 3/3/2025 at 6:20 AM, morrobay said:

Right , just speechless with this slop from a few of these "cases"around here. Just enjoy  the Schadenfreude they are providing as they wallow in these endless anti Trump diatribes 

 

Is that all you got?

[ExpatOilWorker]

24 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You don't speak for the world, you speak for yourself only. 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, bobbin said:

On 3/2/2025 at 6:56 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Let's see you explain how that is the case....rationally.

Sure.. i'll take a crack at it..

 

Neville Chamberlain.. "Peace in our time" Ring a bell?

 

Caved to Der Fuhrer. Million subsequently died. You don't don't give the aggressor what they want.. Because they will be back for more. /and people will die. Unnecesarily.

Fail.  You said that "Trump is a traitor" and your meaningless comment in response to my doubting that you could rationally explain why you posted that "Trump is a traitor" confirmed that.  How is Trump a traitor"?

[nauseus]

On 3/2/2025 at 6:28 AM, Terrance8812 said:

The most revealing part of the situation in Ukraine after the failed negotiations with Zelensky is that Trump now knows for certain he cannot end the war. He likely knew this even before he was voted back into office, but he still had to give it a try. He had spoken with Putin multiple times, and it was already clear that Putin will not accept any terms that Ukraine would agree to, especially those requiring Russia to give up occupied land. On top of that, Putin will never allow Ukraine to join the European Union or NATO. Something that Ukraine obviously won't accept either.

 

Despite this, Trump promised Americans and the world that he, the so-called master dealmaker, would bring the war to an end, a promise he now cannot fulfill.

 

In reality, Trump only had three cards to play:

 

1. Zelensky agrees to all of Putin’s demands - This was never a realistic option. If Zelensky were willing to surrender Ukraine’s land and sovereignty, he could have done so directly with Putin a year ago without needing Trump at all. Since that was never going to happen, Trump quickly moved past this option.

2. Blame Zelensky for failing to end the war - Trump knew Zelensky would never agree to a deal that handed Ukraine over to Russia. So by bringing him into the Oval Office and offering an unacceptable minerals deal with no security guarantees, Trump gave himself an easy out. Now, he could shift the blame onto Zelensky, portraying him as the obstacle to peace. The goal was to weaken Zelensky’s popularity in Ukraine and create political instability.

 

3. Force Zelensky out and install a puppet government - If Trump could successfully weaken Zelensky, the next step would be to push him out of power and replace him with a more compliant leader, someone who would accept Putin’s terms. That would allow Russia to take full control, effectively reducing Ukraine to a failed state annexed by Russia.

 

The problem for Trump is that his plan is already backfiring. Instead of Zelensky’s political standing collapsing, his popularity in Ukraine has actually increased since the Oval Office debacle. That makes it far less likely that Trump can force him out, ending any chance of installing a pro-Putin government.

 

With all of Trump's cards already failing, Trump is now left with just one last move: cutting off all financial and military support and allowing Ukraine to slowly lose the war with Russia in a prolonged battle of attrition.

 

Trump has already announced his intention to do exactly that. So instead of ending the war, as he promised, he is ensuring that it drags on for another year, another stain on his record as the so-called great peacemaker and dealmaker, and yet another failed Trump promise added to the history books.

 

A remarkable story. Can you back any of it up? 

[Harrisfan]

5 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

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