Starmer Urges Zelensky to Reconcile with Trump, but Tensions Remain High

[WDSmart]

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

More troublesome for Putin than for Zelensky? About 25% of Ukraine's population has fled, while Russia has lost just a few. 

 

It is better from a human standpoint, but not better from a strategic standpoint. 

 

And the there are the nukes...

 

I think Zelenski should go back to Trump hat-in-hand, but as that could be seen  as a will for Trump, the left won't have it. That's why they sabotaged the meeting to start with. 

 

The American left would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace deal negotiated by Trump. 

Trump is not negotiating a "peace deal." He's trying to negotiate a business deal with both Russia and Ukraine. He thinks he's the best business deal-maker in the world, and that's how he goes about things like this. 

Trump has already set terms with Russia, which undoubtedly includes allowing them to keep all the land they've invaded and are now holding, and doesn't have anything to ensure their side of the bargain will be maintained after the initial phases.

Trump wants Ukraine to pay him for the support we (the US) have given them so far and for any future support. As you know, he also wants Ukraine to give up the land Russia now occupies and give him rights to half of its mineral resources with very little assurance that Russia will stop trying to seize Ukranian land.

It's all just another business deal for him, and after the deal is struck, he doesn't care anything about the other party. 

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

And..........?  

And do you think the UK should send 100,000 men and women to fight in Russia. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

Trump is not negotiating a "peace deal." He's trying to negotiate a business deal with both Russia and Ukraine. He thinks he's the best business deal-maker in the world, and that's how he goes about things like this. 

Trump has already set terms with Russia, which undoubtedly includes allowing them to keep all the land they've invaded and are now holding, and doesn't have anything to ensure their side of the bargain will be maintained after the initial phases.

Trump wants Ukraine to pay him for the support we (the US) have given them so far and for any future support. As you know, he also wants Ukraine to give up the land Russia now occupies and give him rights to half of its mineral resources with very little assurance that Russia will stop trying to seize Ukranian land.

It's all just another business deal for him, and after the deal is struck, he doesn't care anything about the other party. 

And you know all of this how? 

[rough diamond]

47 minutes ago, transam said:

You're the one with all the mouth, Dolf, get out there, take your photo collection with you.....

And burn it so we don't have to keep seeing the repeats over and over again!

[Yellowtail]

Just now, rough diamond said:

And burn it so we don't have to keep seeing the repeats over and over again!

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And do you think the UK should send 100,000 men and women to fight in Russia. 

Not my decision to make, but tell me Kier, do folk join the armed forces, if so, why....?

[impulse]

On 3/3/2025 at 9:09 AM, JimHuaHin said:

Who but a fascist or insane person would want to reconcile with Trump?

 

The Ukrainian and Russkie kids sitting on the front line, just for a start.  I'm sure they'd like to live.

 

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And you know all of this how? 

I've extrapolated it from all the various reports I've read. Some of it is my opinion.

I think Zelensky was ready to sign over the mineral rights until he read the entire "deal." It obviously was not assuring enough for him. That's why he said what he said in the White House. Also, Russia seems to be very willing to agree to the "deal." This to me means they would get everything they want.   

[rough diamond]

43 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

My dad was a kid when he joined after Pearl Harbor. 

Bit late to stop appeasement by then!

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Not my decision to make, but tell me Kier, do folk join the armed forces, if so, why....?

You are such a phony. "Not my decision to make" when asked a simple question, yet ready to spew all manner of nonsense you don't even have a vote on. Weak. 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I've extrapolated it from all the various reports I've read. Some of it is my opinion.

It's all your opinion, yet you state it as fact. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I think Zelensky was ready to sign over the mineral rights until he read the entire "deal." It obviously was not assuring enough for him. That's why he said what he said in the White House.

Except that he had already agreed to it before he got there and reneged once he got in the meeting. 

 

He has since backpedaled and said he would sign it. 

 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Also, Russia seems to be very willing to agree to the "deal." This to me means they would get everything they want.   

What is "everything they want"? 

 

Trump could have cut Ukraine off the moment he got into office the way Biden did, but he didn't. 

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Bit late to stop appeasement by then!

[rough diamond]

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 What a disgusting and meaningless response to a serious statement regarding appeasement and possible wars.

[rough diamond]

50 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

More troublesome for Putin than for Zelensky? About 25% of Ukraine's population has fled, while Russia has lost just a few. 

 

Interesting that you give a specific figure of 25% for Ukraine's population but only quote "while Russia has lost just a few"!  Incredibly non factual reporting.

Please try again with accurate figures and sources next time! (if possible!)

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Interesting that you give a specific figure of 25% for Ukraine's population but only quote "while Russia has lost just a few"!  Incredibly non factual reporting.

Please try again with accurate figures and sources next time! (if possible!)

Sorry Scottie, what do you think the numbers are? 

[WDSmart]

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's all your opinion, yet you state it as fact. 

Except that he had already agreed to it before he got there and reneged once he got in the meeting. 

 

He has since backpedaled and said he would sign it. 

 

What is "everything they want"? 

 

Trump could have cut Ukraine off the moment he got into office the way Biden did, but he didn't. 

 

My opinion usually turns out to be fact.
I don't think he saw the entire agreement until he got to Washington, DC.
"Everything they want" is all the land they now occupy and probably a cessation or reduction of economic sanctions.
Biden did not cut the support to Ukraine off. Trump has cut it off now.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, WDSmart said:

My opinion usually turns out to be fact.

For example? 

Just now, WDSmart said:

I don't think he saw the entire agreement until he got to Washington, DC.

Ridiculous. Of course he saw it, it was agreed to by both sides before he ever got there. It went back and forth for two weeks.

 

It was a signing ceremony.

 

Just now, WDSmart said:

"Everything they want" is all the land they now occupy and probably a cessation or reduction of economic sanctions.

And you think funding a stalemate is going to wear Putin down to where he gives back everything to pre-2014 borders? 

 

Just now, WDSmart said:

Biden did not cut the support to Ukraine off. Trump has cut it off now.

Biden absolutely cut arms shipments to Ukraine when he took office. Biden also lifted sanctions on Russia, including the sanctions Trump had imposed on Russia. 

 

 

[Harrisfan]

12 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My opinion usually turns out to be fact.
I don't think he saw the entire agreement until he got to Washington, DC.
"Everything they want" is all the land they now occupy and probably a cessation or reduction of economic sanctions.
Biden did not cut the support to Ukraine off. Trump has cut it off now.

Give a few examples then. I bet it's not.

[Purdey]

"So, when Trump bows to the king, I will kick him out of play."

[MikeandDow]

Zelensky should remind Putin, trump and starmer  of there broken promises of

The Budapest Memorandum of 1994

https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/files/policymemos/files/2-23-22_ukraine-the_budapest_memo.pdf?m=1645824948

[Stiddle Mump]

Got to give The Don a bit more time. Early days yet.

 

Zelensky is caught between a rock and a hard place. The longer he stalls, the harder the squeezing will get.

 

Sop Kier is just a script-reader. Should get his own country straight first.

[frank83628]

On 3/3/2025 at 8:09 AM, JimHuaHin said:

Who but a fascist or insane person would want to reconcile with Trump?

Someone that has a 4% approval rate and will be clintoned unless he does.