8 hours ago, hotsun said:

Whos more successful, trump or buffet? No one knows who buffet is outside the US

So you don't know the difference between successful and famous? (or infamous).

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Trump is the president so he's known worldwide, but there are thousands of billionaires many will never hear of. And Warren Buffet is known worldwide, but again, many millions will never know the names of any other billionaires as many millions don't even have a TV.

Why is Warren's opinion so important? He is a Democrat.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That is most of the people on AN, which matters not at all.

No opinion really matters though does it except the collective opinion which elects the President. The collective wanted Trump.

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Why is Warren's opinion so important? He is a Democrat.

Some people look up to those who are rich or in power, not realizing how many got there. Others stand back and see them for what they really are, and hope their actions don't hurt society as many leaders have done in history.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

No opinion really matters though does it except the collective opinion which elects the President. The collective wanted Trump.

They voted for someone many didn't really want but since he was already in office and did some things alright, it was the better of two bad choices as Biden's side was weak and people expected more from them than they did. Lesser of two evils.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Some people look up to those who are rich or in power, not realizing how many got there. Others stand back and see them for what they really are, and hope their actions don't hurt society as many leaders have done in history.

Warren is smart but is he smarter than Bezos or Musk. I don't think so. But the left hates Musk now due to politics.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

They voted for someone many didn't really want but since he was already in office and did some things alright, it was the better of two bad choices as Biden's side was weak and people expected more from them than they did. Lesser of two evils.

Trump killed the GOP primaries. He has lots of fans. The msm tries to hide it.

They are smart but intelligence isn't the only prerequisite for making millions. Having a start with a few million always helps. Many millionaires make money with other's help, and many make millions raping the earth's resources or taking advantage of other's weaknesses.

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Trump killed the GOP primaries. He has lots of fans. The msm tries to hide it.

People voted for him because we only had two choices, and again, Kamala was unproven and was on a weak side with a few bad ideas.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

They are smart but intelligence isn't the only prerequisite for making millions. Having a start with a few million always helps. Many millionaires make money with other's help, and many make millions raping the earth's resources or taking advantage of other's weaknesses.

None of the last 8 Presidents were much good. Trump is the best of them.

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

None of the last 8 Presidents were much good. Trump is the best of them.

Trump is actually one of the worst we've ever had. His tenor now will either put him at the very bottom, or if he does the right things, might put him in the top 20. Carter was better, as was Reagan and Clinton. Other presidents all did some good and some bad, and population increasing every year makes it harder to keep up with poverty levels, which should be the presidents first act and not worrying about military strength, which we have enough of, and helping other countries before our own.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Trump is actually one of the worst we've ever had. His tenor now will either put him at the very bottom, or if he does the right things, might put him in the top 20. Carter was better, as was Reagan and Clinton. Other presidents all did some good and some bad, and population increasing every year makes it harder to keep up with poverty levels, which should be the presidents first act and not worrying about military strength, which we have enough of, and helping other countries before our own.

Economic data says Trump is the best.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Economic data says Trump is the best.

Unemployment stayed much the same with him and Biden. Remember the next president down the line always has to pick up the pieces of the mistakes made before Here is the ratings...........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Unemployment stayed much the same with him and Biden. Remember the next president down the line always has to pick up the pieces of the mistakes made before Here is the ratings...........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States.

Your source is wiki lol

 

https://federalsafetynet.com/poverty-statistics/

 

The poverty rate of 10.5% in 2019 was the lowest recorded poverty level since the Census Bureau began reporting poverty in 1959. 

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Unemployment stayed much the same with him

False. He lowered it to 50 year lows. A 1.2% reduction on Obama's best figure. Even Bush did better than Obama.

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/unemployment-rate

This sums him up perfectly:

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind. 

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief. Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. 

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. 

 

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down. So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man. This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of bull<deleted>. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

 

 

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Your source is wiki lol

 

https://federalsafetynet.com/poverty-statistics/

 

The poverty rate of 10.5% in 2019 was the lowest recorded poverty level since the Census Bureau began reporting poverty in 1959. 

Wiki is accurate. Doesn't go by opinions as others do.

Wars- Trump is no 1

Border - Trump

Unemployment - Trump

Poverty Index - Trump

 

Trump was the best in 4 areas.

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

False. He lowered it to 50 year lows.

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/united-states/unemployment-rate

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Wiki is accurate. Doesn't go by opinions as others do.

Wiki is lefty junk.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/united-states/unemployment-rate

Which shows Biden and Trump with the best figures. Biden had 5% inflation, open borders and did nothing to stop the wars.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Wars- Trump is no 1

Border - Trump

Unemployment - Trump

Poverty Index - Trump

 

Trump was the best in 4 areas.

Trump did nothing as far as lowering border crossings. His wall is useless and people have been steadily coming in ever since I was in grade school. There isn't a definite rate of amount of people who cross, but they come daily, and will continue to do so and a president cannot change things. Unemployment has stayed pretty much the same for years, with the exception being during Covid. Wars start and stop and a president has nothing to do with them. Other countries have started them and us deciding to enter it is where they get their say. Your hero worship blinds you to the truth that's actually happening. Dismissing facts shows that.

3 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Wiki is lefty junk.

No, its facts garnered from unbiased research.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Trump did nothing as far as lowering border crossings. His wall is useless and people have been steadily coming in ever since I was in grade school. There isn't a definite rate of amount of people who cross, but they come daily, and will continue to do so and a president cannot change things. Unemployment has stayed pretty much the same for years, with the exception being during Covid. Wars start and stop and a president has nothing to do with them. Other countries have started them and us deciding to enter it is where they get their say. Your hero worship blinds you to the truth that's actually happening. Dismissing facts shows that.

You posted no facts. You posted wiki survey lol

 

 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

No, its facts garnered from unbiased research.

Survey ie opinions 

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Wiki is lefty junk.

Are you going to post anything sensible today.............?  

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Which shows Biden and Trump with the best figures. Biden had 5% inflation, open borders and did nothing to stop the wars.

What wars didn't Biden stop? What wars did he start? Just because a war isn't happening during a presidents term doesn't mean anything. The US gets involved because the US is all countries in one place, and supporting other countries that are being taken advantage of is a duty to us.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, its facts garnered from unbiased research.

 

Wikipedia is often considered unreliable because it is a user-generated source that can be edited by anyone at any time, which means that the information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or simply incorrect.37 Since the vast majority of editors are anonymous, you have only their editing history and their user pages as benchmarks, and Wikipedia makes no representation as to their truth.3

Just now, fredwiggy said:

What wars didn't Biden stop? What wars did he start? Just because a war isn't happening during a presidents term doesn't mean anything. The US gets involved because the US is all countries in one place, and supporting other countries that are being taken advantage of is a duty to us.

Ukraine

Gaza

 

 

Obama and Biden the worst two presidents this century

 

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/