US Halts Military Aid to Ukraine Amid Push for Peace Talks

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Yes  this is where "Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson" and Co

hold some culpability.

No skin off his a**. 

 

 

[johng]

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No skin off his a**. 

 

 

Very true. The skin is from all the dead and wounded Ukrainian and Russian combatants. ☹️

[Yellowtail]

Just now, johng said:

Very true. The skin is from all the dead and wounded Ukrainian and Russian combatants. ☹️

And their families. 

 

Effing "war pigs" 

[JimGant]

On 3/4/2025 at 2:11 PM, simple1 said:

If Putin were to win the war in Ukraine it will only bring his borders closer  to NATO countries Putin has very clearly stated he wishes to re-establish the Russian Empire so his propaganda for the war are lies upon lies.

I really don't care if the EU has to teach their students the Cyrillic alphabet. Just glad the US finally has a leader -- as weird as he is -- who is finally forcing the Europeans to provide for their own defense, and not mooch off of the Americans. Those annual 967 billion dollars we waste on NATO certainly will go a long way to finally helping America -- and not the "old world," that my ancestors turned their backs on several centuries ago, for good reason. And, sadly, I guess, we'll never see final repayment on the Marshall Plan trillions we poured into Europe -- maybe we should have been more specific about those monies being a loan, not a grant... But, that's ancient, albeit galling, history -- as the books have never re-balanced.

 

As an American, I'm not really happy about being taken as a sucker for these many years. Now it's kinda fun watching Orange Hair, playing bull in the china shop, finally breaking all that china that needed breaking. So solly, Europe.

 

Anyway, good luck Ukraine. Europe now has your back. Not that they're prepared to do what's necessary.

[gamb00ler]

8 minutes ago, JimGant said:

And, sadly, I guess, we'll never see final repayment on the Marshall Plan trillions we poured into Europe -- maybe we should have been more specific about those monies being a loan, not a grant

Not being an American, I've had no previous exposure to the details of the Marshall Pan.

 

Wikipedia consistently portrays the Marshall Plan funds as grants... not loans.  However, only Germany was required to repay 1Bn which was deeply discounted from what they actually received. 

 

That Wiki article does say that US spent/loaned 14Bn to support Europe before the start of the Marshall Plan.

 

Do you have a link to support your view that the Marshall Plan funds were loans?

[candide]

22 minutes ago, JimGant said:

I really don't care if the EU has to teach their students the Cyrillic alphabet. Just glad the US finally has a leader -- as weird as he is -- who is finally forcing the Europeans to provide for their own defense, and not mooch off of the Americans. Those annual 967 billion dollars we waste on NATO certainly will go a long way to finally helping America -- and not the "old world," that my ancestors turned their backs on several centuries ago, for good reason. And, sadly, I guess, we'll never see final repayment on the Marshall Plan trillions we poured into Europe -- maybe we should have been more specific about those monies being a loan, not a grant... But, that's ancient, albeit galling, history -- as the books have never re-balanced.

 

As an American, I'm not really happy about being taken as a sucker for these many years. Now it's kinda fun watching Orange Hair, playing bull in the china shop, finally breaking all that china that needed breaking. So solly, Europe.

 

Anyway, good luck Ukraine. Europe now has your back. Not that they're prepared to do what's necessary.

Are you really that ignorant? $967 billion is not the U.S. contribution to NATO, it's what it spends for its own army... 🙂

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Are you really that ignorant? $967 billion is not the U.S. contribution to NATO, it's what it spends for its own army... 🙂

 

Are you really that ignorant? Our own army is part of NATO... 🙂

[candide]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Are you really that ignorant? Our own army is part of NATO... 🙂

 

Are you really that ignorant, it's not money spent "on NATO"! 🙂

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Are you really that ignorant, it's not money spent "on NATO"! 🙂

Is our military not part of NATO? 

 

Whatever other NATO members spend on their militaries counts toward satisfying their NATO obligation, yes? 

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Is our military not part of NATO? 

 

Whatever other NATO members spend on their militaries counts toward satisfying their NATO obligation, yes? 

it's not money spent "on NATO". 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

it's not money spent "on NATO". 

Are you not able to answer simple questions or not? 

[candide]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Are you not able to answer simple questions or not? 

Are you able not to troll? 😆

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Are you able not to troll? 😆

So, your back to defecting.

[rough diamond]

25 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Are you really that ignorant? Our own army is part of NATO... 🙂

 

NO.

Parts of the US Military are assigned to NATO, other forces are assigned to other commands,

https://nato.usmission.gov/

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, rough diamond said:

NO.

Parts of the US Military are assigned to NATO, other forces are assigned to other commands,

https://nato.usmission.gov/

YES

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, your back to defecting.

Why do you have the same trolling m.o. as Mogandave. Are you in couple, or do you have more than one ID? 

[rough diamond]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Are you not able to answer simple questions or not? 

For a change try to read and understand peoples answers to your repetitive moronic questions.

Not all of any one country's defence spending is totally committed to NATO or any other alliance/obligation.  It has other responsibilities out with NATO etc, especially the US!

[Yellowtail]

Just now, candide said:

Why do you have the same trolling m.o. as Mogandave. Are you in couple, or do you have more than one ID? 

Why do you have the same deflecting m.o. as every other leftist here? Are you all North Korean bots, or do you have hundreds of IDs? 

[rough diamond]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

YES

Yes what?

Another moronic response.

Goodnight on this topic as well.

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

For a change try to read and understand peoples answers to your repetitive moronic questions.

Not all of any one country's defence spending is totally committed to NATO or any other alliance/obligation.  It has other responsibilities out with NATO etc, especially the US!

Why the personal attacks? Can we not be civil?

 

In any event, it all counts towards their NATO obligation. yes? 

 

NATO is a treaty. No one spends anything on it, the spending is for it. 

[JimGant]

2 hours ago, candide said:

Are you really that ignorant? $967 billion is not the U.S. contribution to NATO, it's what it spends for its own army..

 

Quote

How much does each NATO member spend?

In February, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: “In 2024, NATO allies in Europe will invest a combined total of $380bn in defence. For the first time, this amounts to 2 percent of their combined GDP.”

The United States remains the world’s largest military spender by far. In dollar terms, the US represents about two-thirds of NATO countries’ annual defence spending, budgeting an estimated $967bn.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/11/how-much-does-each-nato-country-spend-in-2024

 

How could America be so stupid for so many years? We've got a lot of problems 967bn would help solve. Just read somewhere that Europe is really upset that the future means they'll have to now sacrifice social programs for defense. Yeah, social programs subsidized for decades by the US taxpayer. Hey, maybe this Trump guy is the real deal....

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, johng said:

 

Because they are young and naive,  because they have little other choices,

because they are conscripted,because it runs in the family ?

None of the above. I joined because it offered more money and less hours than farming ( 84 hour week milking cows for BA $ ). Best thing I ever did. Gave me an interesting and sometimes exciting life ( mostly ) with travel overseas, a 2 year posting in Singapore and a year in Antarctica. More importantly, gave me an insight to life I'd never have gained in a "normal" job.

I only left because after Vietnam ended the good guys left and the little hitlers took over. I did carry on in territorials for another 12 years though, to add a bit of variety to my life.

 

Overall, it was a mix of good and bad, and a lot of in between ordinary life, but I'll never regret that I joined up.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, rough diamond said:

For a change try to read and understand peoples answers to your repetitive moronic questions.

Not all of any one country's defence spending is totally committed to NATO or any other alliance/obligation.  It has other responsibilities out with NATO etc, especially the US!

Are you incapable of posting without the insults?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, JimGant said:

Anyway, good luck Ukraine. Europe now has your back. Not that they're prepared to do what's necessary.

All they have is words. When it's a choice between not supporting Ukraine, increasing taxes or cutting illegal immigration support and overseas aid, which will they choose? Decisions decisions.

[simple1]

12 hours ago, JimGant said:

I really don't care if the EU has to teach their students the Cyrillic alphabet. Just glad the US finally has a leader -- as weird as he is -- who is finally forcing the Europeans to provide for their own defense, and not mooch off of the Americans. Those annual 967 billion dollars we waste on NATO certainly will go a long way to finally helping America -- and not the "old world," that my ancestors turned their backs on several centuries ago, for good reason. And, sadly, I guess, we'll never see final repayment on the Marshall Plan trillions we poured into Europe -- maybe we should have been more specific about those monies being a loan, not a grant... But, that's ancient, albeit galling, history -- as the books have never re-balanced.

 

As an American, I'm not really happy about being taken as a sucker for these many years. Now it's kinda fun watching Orange Hair, playing bull in the china shop, finally breaking all that china that needed breaking. So solly, Europe.

 

Anyway, good luck Ukraine. Europe now has your back. Not that they're prepared to do what's necessary.

 

Only you know where for get $967 billion US contribution to NATO which is an outrageous claim as:

 

Nato's annual budget and programmes come to about €3.8bn (£3.2bn or $4.1bn) overall, and there's an agreed cost-sharing formula to pay for the running of things such as:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44717074

 

The Marshall Plan was repaid over and over again by the proceeds of Peace i.e. trade which trump is ignorantly trying to interfere. Perhaps as an American you may wish to give some thought to the unnecessary death and destruction created by US forces since the Korean War and the many mistakes made by associated policy decisions, including by trump.

[frank83628]

20 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

To repeat their has been numerous reports / quotes from Putin establishing his vision for rebuilding the Russian Empire.  A few more links ...

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-belarus-strategy-document-230035184.html

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-ukraine-russia-tsar-peter-great-imperialism-rcna32909

 

I usually do not accuse someone of being an apologist for Putin, but in your case I will make an exception with your hair splitting and attempts at denial for authoritarians. I will not bother to respond to anymore of your trolling activity in this topic.

There is not 1 word in there that has come directly from Putin, a leaked report from anonymous sources....  total clown show

[johng]

12 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

There is not 1 word in there that has come directly from Putin

 As is very often the case the media spin has no relation to what the actual person has said  or did not say....always  go check from the horses mouth what they say  don't trust  those so called "trusted media sources" 🤮

[SMIAI]

14 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Are you not able to answer simple questions or not? 

 

Are you not able to put a simple question together? What is that?

[SMIAI]

53 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

There is not 1 word in there that has come directly from Putin, a leaked report from anonymous sources....  total clown show

 

What kind of nonsense is such a reply? Do you imagine that Putin sits alone in a room and thinks it all up by himself?

A leaked report from anonymous sources?

When the Special Military Operation began, an editorial was published by RIA Novosti, proclaiming victory and discussing the subject that @simple1 has highlighted. Only, when it didn't go to plan, the article was hastily removed. Thank goodness for the Web Archive.

 

Since this is an English language website, I'll link to the syndicated version, in English and also the original version in Russian,

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20220303080635/https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

 

For me it's not about taking sides, but simply discussing the facts as we know them.

 

[SMIAI]

38 minutes ago, johng said:

 As is very often the case the media spin has no relation to what the actual person has said  or did not say....always  go check from the horses mouth what they say  don't trust  those so called "trusted media sources" 🤮

 

What if those media sources are Russian news agencies? Would you be more inclined to believe them than the BBC?