President Zelensky sees the light?

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Pretty simple ... Peace, no more loss of life, a ceasefire, end of aggressions on both sides, and should last for at least 4 years 

 

Pres. Trump will simply ask Pres Putin to stop, keep what you have accomplished.   State UA will not become another NATO member.   That's all Putin wanted to begin with.  The west to honor the deal made long ago, and for UA to stop killing Russians that don't want to be part of UA any more, since the coup of 2014.

But, Putin said he invaded Ukraine because of Nazis.   It's a moving story. 

[Harrisfan]

16 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Dumb references here to 'lefties' at every opportunity do nothing to make a case about anything at all.

 

The 3 richest Guys in the USA have as much wealth as at least 50% of Americans together. And the Trump tw*t wants to cut MediCare, with the aim of reducing their taxes?

 

Would anyone (not of moronic mentality), say that is right?

 

Would he/she be classified then, as a 'leftie'.

Off topic

[thesetat]

1 hour ago, 0ffshore360 said:

I am still trying to understand what Zelensky gains for Ukraine by signing away mineral rights with no indication that Trump will provide further military assistance, will block eligibility  for NATO to satisfy Putin.

Ukraine will never "win" this war , Russia will never relinquish territory it controls and will redevelop and reconstruct in that territory.

The  far less destruction in the greater Ukrainian territory has long been suggested to be  reconstructed  using frozen Russian assets .

As the lesser total contributor to Ukraine than the EU in funds ( contrary to Trump's inflated claims) why or how is it that the US dictates some nebulous "peace deal" ?

Citing the volumes of obsolete and redundant military hardware is equally redundant when in reality the opportunity to empty storage under the guise of charitable assistance in what in reality has indeed been a proxy war is pointless.

 

 

It is really quite simple. If the US has an invested interest in the Ukraine minerals. Then we will do what we can to protect that investment from Russia taking over. Zelenski has a lot to gain from this. They want our money and weapons but they want it free and clear like Biden did. Just give them the money with no benefit to the US and they wanted to continue this tactic and keep the war going. for as long as possible. 

Whereas now, the money will stop unless the US can see some benefit that will help the US also. 

 

It does not take a lot of thought to see that if the US has money invested in the minerals there that they will also defend it. 

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

But, Putin said he invaded Ukraine because of Nazis.   It's a moving story. 

MSM says he wasn't entirely incorrect ... so it must be true 

 

[TorquayFan]

HarrisFan - no not 'off topic'. I read the thread through and I saw many reservations about the theme, dismissed with the fine argument, LOL, that the writer must be a 'leftie'.

 

It's just a cheap shot fromthose with nothing to say . . .

 

[CallumWK]

5 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

It's just a cheap shot fromthose with nothing to say . . .

 

What you're on about?

Someone who made 3500 posts in less than 30 days, and think he has nothing to say ?  🤣😂🤣

[Walker88]

There was only one real man in the Oval Office on Friday, and his name is Zelenskyy.

 

He and his people prefer to stand and fight like men and patriots, rather than live as slaves and toadies on their knees as POTUS and his sycophant MAGAs.

 

MAGA is synonymous with girlyman and coward. The MAGAs might as well look the part and have their junk removed, because not a one of them is a real man.

[CallumWK]

[transam]

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Just wait for the leftist spin. Try to lie their way out of it. Trump ripped leftists a new one.

Oh no, yet another day of your pointless jibes.....

 

No girlfriend yet then............?  😢

[rough diamond]

53 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Off topic

Describing your posts again?

[KireB]

2 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Europeans are cowards.   They need to be reminded of this fact. 

Thank you for doing that. American by any chance? 

[atpeace]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Pretty simple ... Peace, no more loss of life, a ceasefire, end of aggressions on both sides, and should last for at least 4 years 

 

Pres. Trump will simply ask Pres Putin to stop, keep what you have accomplished.   State UA will not become another NATO member.   That's all Putin wanted to begin with.  The west to honor the deal made long ago, and for UA to stop killing Russians that don't want to be part of UA any more, since the coup of 2014.

Not a bad summary 🙂  Biden could have done the same thing but his party really didn't make that a possibility.  Still think the economy is going to tank which is by no means Trumps fault and the democratic party will blame him for it just as they are on the current inflation. Silly but interesting drama.

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Not a bad summary 🙂  Biden could have done the same thing but his party really didn't make that a possibility.  Still think the economy is going to tank which is by no means Trumps fault and the democratic party will blame him for it just as they are on the current inflation. Silly but interesting drama.

If Biden was actually in charge of anything.   Administration run by the war mongering defense contractors.   Profits over lives are always #1 

 

Could have actually avoided it all over a decade again, by not financing & supporting another coup / regime change.  

 

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/02/08/742401/aiding-chaos-usaid-role-engineering-regime-change-social-unrest-worldwide

[Dan O]

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

It took a few days, but it seems that he has either come to the right conclusion or taken some good advice from smart people around him.  Pres Zelensky is now rather contrite, and willing to sign the deal he originally rejected last week. 

 

To quote in part from his authentic Twitter account:

 

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive.

Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively.

 

 

Nice how you left out the first half of what he said in your paraphrasing. He said he was willing to come to the negotiation table and work on a peace deal that lasts and also pointed out several areas that need to be addressed IF russia would also agree. Thats what he said in the press conference in the WH. But it has to be a full agreement not an open ended one without security like trump was stating in the press conference .   Its not quite what you imply in your post but Im sure it will be lost on the cultist that are cheering for the US to be mercenaries on the world stage. Ok you trumpers let you venom fly!

[riclag]

5 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Border fixed

Budget being trimmed

Minerals deal

War ending soon

 

Lefties are just miserable

Lefties are  losing it!

[0ffshore360]

8 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

It means Trump won the negotiations and Z is stupid. The left said Z was a hero. The guy is an idiot.

To what end?

[0ffshore360]

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Pretty simple ... Peace, no more loss of life, a ceasefire, end of aggressions on both sides, and should last for at least 4 years 

 

Pres. Trump will simply ask Pres Putin to stop, keep what you have accomplished.   State UA will not become another NATO member.   That's all Putin wanted to begin with.  The west to honor the deal made long ago, and for UA to stop killing Russians that don't want to be part of UA any more, since the coup of 2014.

Oh right ! Putin will stop.

[0ffshore360]

8 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

 

He had a proverbial gun pointed at his head. It was a shakedown for protection money.

 

I haven't read anywhere the current American US President state exactly what would happen if American economic interests were threatened in Ukraine. Nothing will come out of the UXB-strewn ground for 10 years or more. For 10 years, the only American assets on hand will be the rented Caterpillars. No one is going to die on a proverbial hill for those. The Russian leader knows the Americans will never risk the lives of their troops over a building site.

Reasonable rationale. Zelensky signed yet?

[Mike_Hunt]

6 hours ago, KireB said:

Thank you for doing that. American by any chance? 

I am American.  I'm getting tired of subsidizing the defense of Europe. 

[sandyf]

17 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

I am American.  I'm getting tired of subsidizing the defense of Europe. 

Remind us how much US infrastructure was destroyed during WW2 and had to be rebuilt.

There is no dispute the US won the war but not in the way they would prefer to believe.

In WW3 physical location will not be the defence it once was.

[Anthony mellows]

8 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Europeans are cowards.   They need to be reminded of this fact. 

Remember the Falklands .British troops man for man far superior than US.

[Mike_Hunt]

9 minutes ago, Anthony mellows said:

Remember the Falklands .British troops man for man far superior than US.

You people have more admirals than war ships these days. 

[Mike_Hunt]

11 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Remind us how much US infrastructure was destroyed during WW2 and had to be rebuilt.

There is no dispute the US won the war but not in the way they would prefer to believe.

In WW3 physical location will not be the defence it once was.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?    Europe should be dealing with Russia.  Not the USA. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You people have more admirals than war ships these days. 

And you more medals than space to put them..........🤭

[transam]

Just now, Mike_Hunt said:

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?    Europe should be dealing with Russia.  Not the USA. 

Was Europe helping out with your Japan thingy.....?

[Mike_Hunt]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

And you more medals than space to put them..........🤭

You should think before you post. 

[Mike_Hunt]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

Was Europe helping out with your Japan thingy.....?

If you are talking about WW2.  NO. 

[transam]

Just now, Mike_Hunt said:

If you are talking about WW2.  NO. 

Wrong..........You should think before you post............

[connda]

9 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

He is for practical purposes no longer the leader of Ukraine. He should be booking a ticket soon.

My guess if he doesn't, the next "light" he will be encountering is the "Great-White-End-of-Life" celestial-type. 

[sharot724]

8 hours ago, thesetat said:

It is really quite simple. If the US has an invested interest in the Ukraine minerals. Then we will do what we can to protect that investment from Russia taking over. Zelenski has a lot to gain from this. They want our money and weapons but they want it free and clear like Biden did. Just give them the money with no benefit to the US and they wanted to continue this tactic and keep the war going. for as long as possible. 

Whereas now, the money will stop unless the US can see some benefit that will help the US also. 

 

It does not take a lot of thought to see that if the US has money invested in the minerals there that they will also defend it. 

If anyone not clearly seeing this, they have lost thier way...