Is it possible Trump is trying to sabotage the world economy?

[spidermike007]

Here is what Trump has done for America!:

Only 13 Presidents failed to get re-elected. Only 5 Presidents failed to win the popular vote. Only 4 Presidents have been impeached or resigned. Only 1 President has ever been criminally indicted. And only ONE President has done ALL FOUR. -

 

DJT didn't lower taxes (He deferred them) -

He didn't get Americans that healthcare coverage -

He did not unite the USA, he divided it -

He didn't lower prescription drug prices -

He didn't get roads or bridges built He didn't decrease the deficit -

He didn't end the opioid crisis -

He made over 250 visits to his golf clubs costing us taxpayers $150 million -

He didn't revive the coal industry -

He didn't make covid-19 'disappear' He didn't make Mexico pay for the wall 

He is ranked the worst President in history 

He added $2 Billion a month in tariff costs to the American consumer

He has a net-negative jobs creations for his administration 

He decreased corporate taxes, passing the tax burden to the workers 

He added $ 7.8 Trillion to the deficit - a full 25% of the total deficit 

He incited an insurrection against our government 

He is the only president to never achieve 50% approval. 

He didn't put "America first" and he sure didn't "Drain the Swamp... 

He left office with the worst job numbers of any President since the Great Depression with a net job loss over his term 

He is the first former president to be a CONVICTED FELON (34 times). 

The presidency is very much about character. Trump is a lowlife convicted felon.

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Here is what Trump has done for America!:

Only 13 Presidents failed to get re-elected. Only 5 Presidents failed to win the popular vote. Only 4 Presidents have been impeached or resigned. Only 1 President has ever been criminally indicted. And only ONE President has done ALL FOUR. -

 

DJT didn't lower taxes (He deferred them) -

He didn't get Americans that healthcare coverage -

He did not unite the USA, he divided it -

He didn't lower prescription drug prices -

He didn't get roads or bridges built He didn't decrease the deficit -

He didn't end the opioid crisis -

He made over 250 visits to his golf clubs costing us taxpayers $150 million -

He didn't revive the coal industry -

He didn't make covid-19 'disappear' He didn't make Mexico pay for the wall 

He is ranked the worst President in history 

He added $2 Billion a month in tariff costs to the American consumer

He has a net-negative jobs creations for his administration 

He decreased corporate taxes, passing the tax burden to the workers 

He added $ 7.8 Trillion to the deficit - a full 25% of the total deficit 

He incited an insurrection against our government 

He is the only president to never achieve 50% approval. 

He didn't put "America first" and he sure didn't "Drain the Swamp... 

He left office with the worst job numbers of any President since the Great Depression with a net job loss over his term 

He is the first former president to be a CONVICTED FELON (34 times). 

The presidency is very much about character. Trump is a lowlife convicted felon.

 

If he knocks sense into Ukraine and gets them to end the war it's good enough for me.

[pomchop]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Here is what Trump has done for America!:

Only 13 Presidents failed to get re-elected. Only 5 Presidents failed to win the popular vote. Only 4 Presidents have been impeached or resigned. Only 1 President has ever been criminally indicted. And only ONE President has done ALL FOUR. -

 

DJT didn't lower taxes (He deferred them) -

He didn't get Americans that healthcare coverage -

He did not unite the USA, he divided it -

He didn't lower prescription drug prices -

He didn't get roads or bridges built He didn't decrease the deficit -

He didn't end the opioid crisis -

He made over 250 visits to his golf clubs costing us taxpayers $150 million -

He didn't revive the coal industry -

He didn't make covid-19 'disappear' He didn't make Mexico pay for the wall 

He is ranked the worst President in history 

He added $2 Billion a month in tariff costs to the American consumer

He has a net-negative jobs creations for his administration 

He decreased corporate taxes, passing the tax burden to the workers 

He added $ 7.8 Trillion to the deficit - a full 25% of the total deficit 

He incited an insurrection against our government 

He is the only president to never achieve 50% approval. 

He didn't put "America first" and he sure didn't "Drain the Swamp... 

He left office with the worst job numbers of any President since the Great Depression with a net job loss over his term 

He is the first former president to be a CONVICTED FELON (34 times). 

The presidency is very much about character. Trump is a lowlife convicted felon.

On 3/9/2025 at 8:32 AM, Harrisfan said:

Yes. Anti Trump hysteria. 2017,2018,2019 all good.

 

These socialists have lost it.

 

you mean like all the socialist maga who last time trump did tariffs had to be bailed out by the govt to hang on and now here we go again with more trump tariffs and guaranteed to require billions of tax payer money to keep them afloat as a direct result of trumps tariffs  about to happen again...those socialists who take the $$ most all of whom likely voted for trump?  Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...fool me over and over and over...maga maga

[rough diamond]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

If he knocks sense into Ukraine and gets them to end the war it's good enough for me.

He is not trying to knock sense into Ukraine.

He is trying to knock Ukraine out and hand it over to his puppet master.

[Jim Blue]

On 3/9/2025 at 6:53 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

 

 

Eventually, humans will join the dinosaurs in the garbage bin of failed species, and hopefully the next version will be kinder to each other and care for the environment more than the present barbarians running the human world.

We are doomed !

[metisdead]

Posts with broken Reddit links have been removed.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

We are doomed !

We are. Even if we escaped planet Earth and populated the universe, eventually the universe will die, along with all the life in it.

[swissie]

On 3/9/2025 at 3:19 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, and all that covid nonsense and claiming that driving a car was destroying the planet.

If only you could get yourself to study the nonsense called "physics" eliminating all ather facebook nonsense that is your source of information you would automatically stop posting your habitual nonsense here. Try it!

 

To understand the world it doesn't take facebook, it takes physics,

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, swissie said:

If only you could get yourself to study the nonsense called "physics" eliminating all ather facebook nonsense that is your source of information you would automatically stop posting your habitual nonsense here. Try it!

 

To understand the world it doesn't take facebook, it takes physics,

Given you think I use facethingy I can discount the rest of your post as nonsense.

[swissie]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given you think I use facethingy I can discount the rest of your post as nonsense.

Uoii! So where does your information come from? Certainly not by studiying basic physics. Try it, it's the pathway to your enlightenment in todays world.

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, swissie said:

Uoii! So where does your information come from? Certainly not by studiying basic physics. Try it, it's the pathway to your enlightenment in todays world.

I prefer to study human behaviour, which, unlike physics, makes very little sense. What sort of intelligent species kills for no reason?

 

I'm not foolish enough to use social media and such like garbage to gain information.

 

BTW I use physics every day to live better.

[bannork]

Donald's handling of the economy gets short shrift from the markets.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

29 minutes ago, bannork said:

Donald's handling of the economy gets short shrift from the markets.

 

I scorn "the markets". Gambling where only the rich win in the long term.

Up to the "markets" we'd still be living in the 18th century where the nobility lived lives of decadence and the rest of us, like my ancestors, lived in hovels and died at 40 from overwork and bad food.

[josephbloggs]

16 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Obviously Trump can't implement a "5 Year Plan" to "force" Aemrican companies to relocate. He's not Stalin and the US is not Soviet Russia.

 

However, he is deftly forcing FOREIGN companies to pay more to sell in the US and making THEIR products more expensive. Obviously this will make US made products cheaper by comparison and secure and create US jobs.

 

Not to mention the additional money hat will flow into the US as additional revenue from the tariffs themselves.

 

Rather than "decimate" the US economy Trump is protecting the US economy from cheapear and better competition. Very sensible.

 

 

Deftly forcing Americans to pay more for rubbish. Deftly forcing them to buy inferior products.  USA! USA! USA!

Why not deftly raise manufacturing standards in the US? Why not deftly compete with - as you said it - better and cheaper products to become more competitive in the world market?

Tariffs and protectionism only take you backwards. But it's fun to watch the US self destruct, carry on!

[Felton Jarvis]

The only thing that matters to Trump is his own interests. Public welfare is not among those interests. This is the narcissist way.

[jimmybcool]

On 3/9/2025 at 7:03 AM, JAG said:

I for one think it's rather simpler;

 

Trump is a narcissist. He thrives on being the center of attention - the poses with a resolute jaw, ( reminds me irresistibly of newsreel footage of Mussolini), the cameras, the staged events, the charades of signing the executive orders. His view and understanding of the political process is simplified to himself versus the rest,their opposition to him is seen as victimisation. It is all about Donald Trump.

 

He is amoral and feels no empathy.The.impact of his actions and their consequences are of no interest to him. It is all about Donald Trump.

 

He is backed and manipulated by an oligarchy which don't really care what he wants, what he does, what happens, as long as they have the power to enrich themselves even more. They have a plan,  to cement themselves in power and make themselves richer. Trump? I don't think he has a plan beyond being the center of attention. For him, it is all about Donald Trump.

 

 

 

Narcissist?  Yes I agree.  Pretty much goes with the job for anyone that has run the last 30 years.  And he is absolutely in love with the camera.  But amoral?  No I think he believes he is saving the USA.  And in some ways he is doing many things that have needed doing for a long time.

 

This DOGE thing so hated by the left is exactly what needed to happen.  It should have happened back in the Clinton/Bush/Obama eras before the debt got this large.  it will hurt now but has to be done to save the USA from a major recession which in turn would cause a worldwide recession. 

 

Regarding these tariff wars there are other reasons than saving jobs.  In the case of China force equal competition.  If they want to sell their stuff in the US with no tariff then don't impose one on US products there.  I approve.  In the case of Canada and Mexico I am unsure where we stood on equal trade.  I do know part of Trumps comments have been demanding a better effort to control fentanyl smuggling through them into the USA which causes over 70,000 deaths in the US annually.  Mind you we could also do a better job of lowering demand via enforcement of users.

 

I don't approve of every action Trump takes.  I do not understand his stance on Ukraine.  Or some of the tariffs.  But I don't pretend I know enough to judge.  I'll wait and see the results.  All I can do.

 

[Yagoda]

17 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Here is what Trump has done for America!:

Only 13 Presidents failed to get re-elected. Only 5 Presidents failed to win the popular vote. Only 4 Presidents have been impeached or resigned. Only 1 President has ever been criminally indicted. And only ONE President has done ALL FOUR. -

 

DJT didn't lower taxes (He deferred them) -

He didn't get Americans that healthcare coverage -

He did not unite the USA, he divided it -

He didn't lower prescription drug prices -

He didn't get roads or bridges built He didn't decrease the deficit -

He didn't end the opioid crisis -

He made over 250 visits to his golf clubs costing us taxpayers $150 million -

He didn't revive the coal industry -

He didn't make covid-19 'disappear' He didn't make Mexico pay for the wall 

He is ranked the worst President in history 

He added $2 Billion a month in tariff costs to the American consumer

He has a net-negative jobs creations for his administration 

He decreased corporate taxes, passing the tax burden to the workers 

He added $ 7.8 Trillion to the deficit - a full 25% of the total deficit 

He incited an insurrection against our government 

He is the only president to never achieve 50% approval. 

He didn't put "America first" and he sure didn't "Drain the Swamp... 

He left office with the worst job numbers of any President since the Great Depression with a net job loss over his term 

He is the first former president to be a CONVICTED FELON (34 times). 

The presidency is very much about character. Trump is a lowlife convicted felon.

You screamed that to the heavens, and more;

You lost. We elected him, the majority of the country, the swing states.

We read your list and laughed at you.

Real Americans want their nation to thrive.

You dont. You lost. Lost. Loser. And now you hate us all, your fellow citizens.

Hate hate hate

[jerrymahoney]

17 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Real Americans want their nation to thrive.

So maybe it's just taking a day or 2 off:

 

[save the frogs]

On 3/8/2025 at 12:34 AM, spidermike007 said:

That is a smoke screen, a false flag, as this will lead to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lost jobs in the US and worldwide.

 

These people are 15 moves ahead and it's impossible to know exactly what they're doing or why.

But that doesn't necessarily mean it's nefarious. 

 

Also, billionaires can only exist if the masses buy their products.

Also, if standard of living falls too low for everyone, there is likelihood of mass revolts. 

 

[daveAustin]

17 hours ago, Cameroni said:

If he knocks sense into Ukraine and gets them to end the war it's good enough for me.

Ukraine Russia

[ChicagoExpat]

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

These people are 15 moves ahead and it's impossible to know exactly what they're doing or why.

But that doesn't necessarily mean it's nefarious. 

I'm trying to guess who is 15 moves ahead.  It can't be the Trump administration.

[Walker88]

17 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

If he knocks sense into Ukraine and gets them to end the war it's good enough for me.

You're the kind of guy who---if your wife was being raped---would just tell her to give in and enjoy it. In your world, that's knocking some sense into her.

 

Unlike you, Ukrainians are brave men and women, willing to fight for their freedom, rather than submit to a psychopath and live on their knees.

 

Maybe a MAGA store has designer knee pads for sale. Get yourself a pair.

[JAG]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I scorn "the markets". Gambling where only the rich win in the long term.

Up to the "markets" we'd still be living in the 18th century where the nobility lived lives of decadence and the rest of us, like my ancestors, lived in hovels and died at 40 from overwork and bad food.

Does rather sound like the way a significant part of the poorer population of the USA are headed...

[Yagoda]

31 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

So maybe it's just taking a day or 2 off:

 

Wow. Lookie. A graph that shows ups and downs.

 

Maybe the loss of market value is caused by Socialist terror attacks on Tesla?

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

I'm trying to guess who is 15 moves ahead.  It can't be the Trump administration.

Well they sure were during the election LOL

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Unlike you, Ukrainians are brave men and women, willing to fight for their freedom, rather than submit to a psychopath and live on their knees.

While you just spew hate for the US on the net endlessly. Maybe you should go fight against the Great Evil.

[spidermike007]

Trump lies when he says other nations will pay for them. He lies when he says companies will pay for them. Consumers will pay, so it becomes a tax. Be bold, big Don and for once be honest. It is a tax hike. And it could slow down the economy and result in a massive loss of jobs, and major inflation. Very dumb policy.

 

It was the notion of taxing foreign nations that caught Mark Cuban's eye and he shared the quote to X, formerly Twitter, with his own addition asking: "Can someone explain to me how we would tax a foreign nation?"

 

He continued in a thread, "A tariff is a tax imposed on foreign-made goods, paid by the IMPORTING BUSINESS (Walmart would be an example) to its home country's government. (USA) As an example , Walmart imports billions and billions of goods. If there is a 10 pct [percent] tariff, Walmart pays the US government 10pct on those billions, and guess who they pass that cost on to?"

 

https://www.newsweek.com/mark-cuban-donald-trump-car-industry-tariffs-1946543

 

[still kicking]

US stocks wiped out, Trump recession looms

US stocks have plummeted in the worst day since 2020, as the global tariff war heats up and Donald Trump doesn’t rule out a recession.

US share market bloodbath as Trump recession fears grow | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

[jerrymahoney]

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Wow. Lookie. A graph that shows ups and downs.

 

Maybe the loss of market value is caused by Socialist terror attacks on Tesla?

Yap. Yap. Yap.

[spidermike007]

The current political and economic climate between Canada and the U.S. has made traveling to the U.S. less appealing for many Canadians. 66% of Canadians indicated that the situation has made the U.S. a less attractive travel destination. This sentiment is particularly pronounced among older Canadians, with 78% of those aged 60+ noting that U.S. travel has become less appealing. This aligns with our research, which shows that older Canadians express heightened concerns regarding the state of Canada-U.S. relations.

 

The perception of former U.S. President Donald Trump has a major impact on these views. Among those with a negative opinion of Trump, 86% said the current political climate has made the U.S. less appealing, with 59% actively avoiding travel to the U.S.

 

Over the past few weeks, tensions between Canada and the United States have intensified, spurred by President Donald Trump’s imposition of tariffs and the constant threat of annexation. This heated political landscape has ignited a surge in Canadian patriotism, which is now expressing itself in a very tangible way: through consumer behaviour. In other words, shopping choices, travel plans, and overall spending patterns are no longer driven simply by cost or convenience—political considerations are increasingly at play.

 

As March break, family getaways, and summer plans draw near, this sea change in behaviour presents a pivotal moment for Canada’s domestic travel market. Tourism boards, local businesses, and destinations across the country have a timely opportunity to harness this sentiment, encouraging Canadians to spend their vacation dollars at home and reinforcing a spirit of unity in an era of heightened political and economic tensions.

 

Younger Canadians were more likely to have U.S. travel intentions, with 42% of those aged 18-29 and 41% of those aged 30-44 either having booked or planning to book a trip. Families with children were also more inclined to travel to the U.S., with 51% of those with children under 12 and 46% with children aged 12-17 planning a trip.

However, as the tensions between the U.S. and Canada have escalated, 56% of those who initially planned to visit the U.S. have either canceled or changed their travel plans. Of these, 39% have shifted to other countries (20%) or different locations in Canada (19%), while 17% have postponed or canceled their U.S. trips. Younger Canadians (63% of those 18-29 and 62% of those 30-44) and those with children (64% with kids under 12 and 72% with kids 12-17) are more likely to have altered their plans. In contrast, older Canadians are more likely to continue with their U.S. travel plans, with 32% of those 60+ planning to proceed despite the political climate.

 

Those who find the U.S. less appealing as a travel destination cite a variety of reasons:

48% cite concerns about the political climate or leadership, particularly under Trump
46% mention disagreement with U.S. policies
43% express a preference for supporting Canadian businesses and destinations
43% are also concerned about the weak Canadian dollar
The combination of political concerns, disagreements with U.S. policies, and economic factors like the weak Canadian dollar is driving many Canadians to view the U.S. as a less appealing travel destination.

Older Canadians are more concerned about these factors, with 60% of those aged 60+ worried about the U.S. political climate (compared to 34% of those aged 18-29) and 53% concerned about the weak Canadian dollar (vs. 30% of younger Canadians). Those with a negative view of Trump are especially likely to cite concerns about the U.S. political climate (54%) and policies (51%).

 

Tariffs are another factor affecting Canadians’ travel plans. While tariffs had not been implemented at the time of the survey, 28% of Canadians said they would still have concerns about traveling to the U.S. even without them. On the other hand, 24% of respondents said the removal of tariffs might make them more likely to visit, but that the political will still influence their decision. Only 18% of Canadians noted that, if tariffs were not implemented, they would be more likely to visit the U.S. Now that tariffs have been implemented, they are likely to further discourage travel to the U.S., with many Canadians already expressing hesitation even before their enforcement.

 

A significant proportion of Canadians plan to avoid traveling to the U.S.. 71% of respondents indicated that they intend to avoid the U.S. for at least the next six months. Additionally, 23% of Canadians plan to refrain from U.S. travel for more than a year, with 28% of those aged 60+ and 27% of those who view Trump negatively among the most likely to take this approach. A further 32% said they would consider returning to the U.S. once the current situation improves, though no specific timeline was provided. This sentiment was particularly strong among those aged 60+ (39%) and those with a negative impression of Trump (36%).

 

The significant number of Canadians planning to avoid U.S. travel highlights the growing impact of political tensions on travel decisions, with many indicating they will only return once the situation improves, reflecting a deeper shift in attitudes toward cross-border relations.

 

This emotional undercurrent is shifting travel and buying patterns in ways we haven’t seen before. It’s not just feel-good rhetoric: Canadians are breaking old habits and forming new ones, motivated by something far more powerful than a good deal or a chance to earn loyalty points. Many Canadians now see their spending as a statement, whether that means choosing a cottage weekend in Ontario over a shopping trip across the border or picking local vendors instead of U.S.-based retailers.

It’s rare to witness such a profound shift in consumer sentiment. Yet in this moment, Canadians are re-examining their everyday choices – from where to vacation to which brands they trust – and these decisions are fueled by deeply felt emotions. For Canadian tourism operators and DMOs, this is both a challenge and a remarkable opportunity: to meet consumers’ growing desire for authentic, homegrown experiences, and to solidify a new habit of supporting local that could endure long after the current tensions fade.

 

Canada is the top country of origin for U.S. inbound international visitors each year. The U.S. welcomed more than 20 million Canadian visitors in 2023—nearly half the population of the country. Ninety percent of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the U.S. border, and the majority of Canadian visitors cross a land border on foot or by car. Border states like Washington, Michigan, New York, Vermont, and New Hampshire are popular destinations for Canadian shoppers.

 

Deranged Don. Making America less relevant and diminishing it's influence by the day.

 

https://www.fodors.com/news/news/u-s-states-that-will-be-hardest-hit-by-canadas-travel-boycott