The World’s Deadliest Infectious Disease Is About to Get Worse

[connda]

The World’s Deadliest Infectious Disease Is About to Get Worse

 

Woke mind virus.  Deadly and getting more infectious. 

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

How so ?
Its not our responsibility to take care of the world. We're actually putting America first for the first time in a very long time.
If its so important to you then you open up your wallet.

The question here, is not if any other countries wish to open their wallets or not. Regarding this program. Are you sure that only US has been paying for it, or have other nations been getting a bill in the long run? It all depends on if it´s given as a grant or a loan, right?

Even if it  is all grants, have, for example, the US asked the EU if they wish to take over the program, instead of just shutting it down, or if they wish to contribute and share the costs? The information below is amazing, and taken from kff.org

Now, 20 years in, PEPFAR reports saving more than 25 million lives and is currently providing HIV prevention and treatment services to millions.

To me, it sounds really dumb to shut down such great program, without any meetings or conferences about it. It really shows how childish and dangerous Donnie and Elo are. My thoughts are also that the program was intended to protect all US citizens. Of course with such spread and effectiveness, it will also automatically help other countries. However, now they have decided to no longer protect their own. How does that feel as a US citizen?

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2 minutes ago, connda said:

The World’s Deadliest Infectious Disease Is About to Get Worse

 

Woke mind virus.  Deadly and getting more infectious. 

Thank you for your thoughtful and evidence-rich comment.

[GammaGlobulin]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Essentially, what you're promoting is the medical version of vaporware.  Does that Gates Foundation have a vaccine that's ready to go?

 

Wellcome and the Gates Foundation to Fund Late-Stage Development of a Tuberculosis M72 Vaccine Candidate That Could Be the First in 100 Years If Proven Effective

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ideas/media-center/press-releases/2023/06/funding-commitment-m72-tb-vaccine-candidatepp

 

Maybe you have some news that Wellcome and the Gates Foundation haven't shared with the rest of us yet?

 

In fact, there currently isn't an approved vaccine effective enough to do the job. So until that happens, what's your plan?

 

We must maintain contact with the enemy and consolidate our forces for a future engagement. 

We are fighting a losing battle without an effective vaccine.

 

Therefore, we must invest heavily in arming ourselves with the vaccine, while using more effective strategies than are being used today, which do not work.

 

We should also try to topple governments which are not much more democratic, because this is just one part of a more effective strategy.

 

Prisons in Russia should be fumigated and staffed with intelligent health workers.

 

There is much that can be done, and, unfortunately, here in this short comment, I have not the space to elucidate the totality of my thoughts about this Topic.

 

[Skunkfarben]

32 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This is a good point, but Trump and his minions simply do not have the brain power to even conceive of such a notion. 

 

Why didn't they offer you minister position as you are much more clever? Because maybe you are not so clever

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2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

The question here, is not if any other countries wish to open their wallets or not. Regarding this program. Are you sure that only US has been paying for it, or have other nations been getting a bill in the long run? It all depends on if it´s given as a grant or a loan, right?

Even if it  is all grants, have, for example, the US asked the EU if they wish to take over the program, instead of just shutting it down, or if they wish to contribute and share the costs? The information below is amazing, and taken from kff.org

Now, 20 years in, PEPFAR reports saving more than 25 million lives and is currently providing HIV prevention and treatment services to millions.

To me, it sounds really dumb to shut down such great program, without any meetings or conferences about it. It really shows how childish and dangerous Donnie and Elo are. My thoughts are also that the program was intended to protect all US citizens. Of course with such spread and effectiveness, it will also automatically help other countries. However, now they have decided to no longer protect their own. How does that feel as a US citizen?

I don't think you understand the situation. Unlike humans, microbes have always been great respecters of the borders of the USA. And Trump's stance on unauthorized immigration has only made the situation even clearer to them. Not only do they still respect and honor the USA, but now they fear it as well. Not only that, but because of that deep respect for the USA  they wouldn't take advantage even by  hitchhiking on a human who possesses a legitimate visa for entry into the USA. So there is no way that the abrupt cancellation of programs designed to monitor and treat potential threats posed by microbes could have any effect on the USA. 

At least, that's how it works in Oppositeworld.

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11 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

We must maintain contact with the enemy and consolidate our forces for a future engagement. 

We are fighting a losing battle without an effective vaccine.

 

Therefore, we must invest heavily in arming ourselves with the vaccine, while using more effective strategies than are being used today, which do not work.

 

We should also try to topple governments which are not much more democratic, because this is just one part of a more effective strategy.

 

Prisons in Russia should be fumigated and staffed with intelligent health workers.

 

There is much that can be done, and, unfortunately, here in this short comment, I have not the space to elucidate the totality of my thoughts about this Topic.

 

In short, you have no answer for the fact that there isn't an effective vaccine. And are you seriously suggesting that the current programs designed to suppress tuberculosis have been ineffective in suppressing its spread? But somehow that fumigating prisons will help while other programs don't? 

Also, are you familiar with the role that HIV plays in spreading TB?

[spidermike007]

8 minutes ago, Skunkfarben said:

 

Why didn't they offer you minister position as you are much more clever? Because maybe you are not so clever

I wouldn't qualify as Trump only picks nominees from the absolute bottom of the barrel, who get down on their knees and grovel with absolute fealty toward their King.

 

So I would be automatically disqualified since I don't take the knee. 

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In short, you have no answer for the fact that there isn't an effective vaccine. And are you seriously suggesting that the current programs designed to suppress tuberculosis have been ineffective in suppressing its spread? But somehow that fumigating prisons will help while other programs don't? 

Also, are you familiar with the role that HIV plays in spreading TB?

 

Yes, I know about the increased risk associated with HIV and TB, in connection.

 

And prisons are problematic, as well, for representing reservoirs for TB, as you also know.

 

 

[Skunkfarben]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

I wouldn't qualify as Trump only picks nominees from the absolute bottom of the barrel, who get down on their knees and grovel with absolute fealty toward their King.

 

So I would be automatically disqualified since I don't take the knee. 

 

 

 

I don't know. Many seem like successful people in life and many millionaires. Why are you more smart than those people? You seem like a complaining man

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3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes, I know about the increased risk associated with HIV and TB, in connection.

 

And prisons are problematic, as well, for representing reservoirs for TB, as you also know.

 

 

This is a quote from you:

"Therefore, we must invest heavily in arming ourselves with the vaccine, while using more effective strategies than are being used today, which do not work."

But why are you claiming that measures to stop the spread of TB are ineffective? Do you believe that in the absence of those measure the status quo wouldn't be far worse?

 

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/tb-africa-global-report-shows-successes-nigeria-and-drc-remain-important-hotspots

 

[connda]

Now regarding tuberculosis.  Closing the border and stopping illegal immigration offsets your concerns as infection primarily come from outside the United States.  Unscreened, illegal aliens are a much more virulent TB vector of the disease than domestic cases.  Primary infections have to come from somewhere and they don't fall out of the sky.

Rank ordered incidence rates of TB in Central and South America.  Other countries where illegal immigrants come from like Africa and other third-world countries have similar incident rates although the top five countries with the highest incident rates are on the African continent.

Incident Rates of TB per 100,000 population (Sources US (CDC), Central / South America (WHO))
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7312a4.htm
https://www.who.int/teams/global-tuberculosis-programme/tb-reports/global-tuberculosis-report-2023

 

Five countries with highest TB incident rates (based on the WHO sources)

 

Now to your point about PEPFAR.   Total committed funds amount to $100 billion dollars since inception.  How about taking the $100 billion USD and applying it to domestic healthcare and the welfare of citizens of the US.  Closing the borders and screening potential immigrants for TB and HIV will take care of the rest.  If Musk's DOGE is aimed at PEPFAR, you'd probably find out that a fraction of that funding actually makes it to the target population and the rest is siphoned off to support the largess of the NGOs and their staff and CEOs.  Then reassess PEPFAR, reorganize it, streamline it, cut out the overhead, cut out the waste/fraud/abuse and then reconsider funding.  Also research alternative sources of support - like the EU and other "rich" countries.

[connda]

47 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Essentially, what you're promoting is the medical version of vaporware.  Does that Gates Foundation have a vaccine that's ready to go?

 

Wellcome and the Gates Foundation to Fund Late-Stage Development of a Tuberculosis M72 Vaccine Candidate That Could Be the First in 100 Years If Proven Effective

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ideas/media-center/press-releases/2023/06/funding-commitment-m72-tb-vaccine-candidatepp

 

Maybe you have some news that Wellcome and the Gates Foundation haven't shared with the rest of us yet?

 

In fact, there currently isn't an approved vaccine effective enough to do the job. So until that happens, what's your plan?

Gates could fund PEPFAR out of his own pocket. 

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2 minutes ago, connda said:

Now regarding tuberculosis.  Closing the border and stopping illegal immigration offsets your concerns as infection primarily come from outside the United States.  Unscreened, illegal aliens are a much more virulent TB vector of the disease than domestic cases.  Primary infections have to come from somewhere and they don't fall out of the sky.

Rank ordered incidence rates of TB in Central and South America.  Other countries where illegal immigrants come from like Africa and other third-world countries have similar incident rates although the top five countries with the highest incident rates are on the African contentious.

Incident Rates of TB per 100,000 population (Sources US (CDC), Central / South America (WHO))
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7312a4.htm
https://www.who.int/teams/global-tuberculosis-programme/tb-reports/global-tuberculosis-report-2023

 

Five countries with highest TB incident rates (based on the WHO sources)

 

Now to your point about PEPFAR.   Total committed funds amount to $100 billion dollars since inception.  How about taking the $100 billion USD and applying it to domestic healthcare and the welfare of citizens of the US.  Closing the borders and screening potential immigrants for TB and HIV will take care of the rest.  If Musk's DOGE is aimed at PEPFAR, you'd probably find out that a fraction of that funding actually makes it to the target population and the rest is siphoned off to support the largess of the NGOs and their staff and CEOs.  The reassess PEPFAR, reorganize it, streamline it, cut out the overhead, cut out the waste/fraud/abuse and then reconsider funding.

Really? The US is going to screen all people coming to the US from abroad? Do you understand that about 1/4 of the population tests positive for TB?

So the way to reform PEPFAR is to destroy it?

And this is what should be called faith-based evidence:

"If Musk's DOGE is aimed at PEPFAR, you'd probably find out that a fraction of that funding actually makes it to the target population and the rest is siphoned off to support the largess of the NGOs and their staff and CEOs."

It's amazing that given all the falsehoods promulgated by Musk and Doge, (and now they are actually hiding the evidence that could check the accuracy of their claims) people still believe that they are equipped to do the job.

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1 minute ago, connda said:

Gates could fund PEPFAR out of his own pocket. 

Even if he could, it's been massively damaged. To rebuild it would take a lot of time. And in the meantime, a lot of people are going to die.

[puck2]

2 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

How so ?
Its not our responsibility to take care of the world. We're actually putting America first for the first time in a very long time.
If its so important to you then you open up your wallet.

 

.... and the wourld should forget the Trump-USA - especially the world leading currency the US$. 

 

US-America has already an amazing high amount of $-debts. The world should change to another or a new currency-system. Maybe the § will go down so much, that you cannot live anymore here in Thailand.

 

Then you will regrett "America first" and suffer.

[GammaGlobulin]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But why are you claiming that measures to stop the spread of TB are ineffective? Do you believe that in the absence of those measure the status quo wouldn't be far worse?

 

TB, the spread of TB around the world, is deeply concerning, and has been a plague upon mankind for thousands of years.

 

However, it is my conviction that the belief that drug therapy, and the status quo approach, is the right solution...is adversely distracting us from what really must be done to avoid the coming catastrophe..if we do not act in a much more concerted way to develop vaccines for TB and other epidemics.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

TB, the spread of TB around the world, is deeply concerning, and has been a plague upon mankind for thousands of years.

 

However, it is my conviction that the belief that drug therapy, and the status quo approach, is the right solution...is adversely distracting us from what really must be done to avoid the coming catastrophe..if we do not act in a much more concerted way to develop vaccines for TB and other epidemics.

 

 

But you claimed that it's not working. It is working powerfully. Would you rather that these measures be dropped and all those funds devoted to vaccines instead? How many millions would die if that course were followed.  And Gates and Wellcome do have a vaccine trial in progress.

[dinsdale]

Oh dear! Yet another thread to trigger those that froth at the mouth over anything and everything Trump.

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Just now, dinsdale said:

Oh dear! Yet another thread to trigger those that froth at the mouth over anything and everything Trump.

Do you understand that Donald Trump is President of the United States? Given that it's the Trump administration that has brought about this situation, why isn't it legitimate to assign the responsibility to him and his adminstration? Your comment is just another transparent attempt at deflection. Apparently the only kind of transparency that Trump supporters back.

[Patong2021]

Untreated infectuious disease does not remain contained. We see that with measles now. We saw it with MPox, Covid and Ebola. The TB will spread throughout Africa and then ito the Gulf states and Europe. And then it will enter  the USA.

 

Containing a disease elsewhere, protects the home country. Unless the USA is prepared to erect a  wall around the USA and prevent its people from traveling, including US military, the disease will enter the USA.

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Untreated infectuious disease does not remain contained. We see that with measles now. We saw it with MPox, Covid and Ebola. The TB will spread throughout Africa and then ito the Gulf states and Europe. And then it will enter  the USA.

 

Containing a disease elsewhere, protects the home country. Unless the USA is prepared to erect a  wall around the USA and prevent its people from traveling, including US military, the disease will enter the USA.

>10,000 cases in the US 2024. Guess it's already there.

[connda]

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? The US is going to screen all people coming to the US from abroad?

Exactly.  Currently as well as in the past the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) screens all potential legal migrants for infectious diseases.

 

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Do you understand that about 1/4 of the population tests positive for TB?

What's your point?  So 1/4 of the world's population has antibodies.  My paternal grandmother died of TB.  My father popped positive the rest of his life.  Never had TB.  So yeah - pop positive for TB and get an X-ray and an assessment if you are from a country with a high incident of TB.  Just like countries who require Yellow Fever vaccinations from people traveling for areas with endemic Yellow Fever.  At this point the USCIS waives requirements like that for air travelers. If a person enters the US from a country with edemic cases of infectious diseases, they can detain and require testing or reject entry if that person is symptomatic.

[connda]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? The US is going to screen all people coming to the US from abroad? Do you understand that about 1/4 of the population tests positive for TB?

So the way to reform PEPFAR is to destroy it?

And this is what should be called faith-based evidence:

"If Musk's DOGE is aimed at PEPFAR, you'd probably find out that a fraction of that funding actually makes it to the target population and the rest is siphoned off to support the largess of the NGOs and their staff and CEOs."

It's amazing that given all the falsehoods promulgated by Musk and Doge, (and now they are actually hiding the evidence that could check the accuracy of their claims) people still believe that they are equipped to do the job.

You seem to be infected with a work mind virus. You should have that checked out.  Listening to Alex Jones and Fox News may cure you if it's caught early enough.  But given your posts <sucks air between teeth>  it may be too late. 

[Patong2021]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

>10,000 cases in the US 2024. Guess it's already there.

 

Those are endemic cases that are already managed with most under care and which are responding to treatment. 

The concern is that the  foreign strains are mutating and if left untreated will present antibiotic resitance that is umanageable. The foreign TB patients typically  present with other diseases as well creating the potential to create super infections.

[connda]

23 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So the way to reform PEPFAR is to destroy it?

Exactly.  Just like USAID.  Never said that the Phoenix can't rise out of the ashes.  I'm sure it can in a much leaner, fiscally targeted manner.

[Patong2021]

Just now, connda said:

You seem to be infected with a work mind virus. You should have that checked out.  Listening to Alex Jones and Fox News may cure you if it's caught early enough.  But given your posts <sucks air between teeth>  it may be too late. 

 

You have ignored a salient post and instead offered only childish insults. Is it because you lack the cognitive ability to understand the situation, or are you just afraid and are in denial, or are you just a  nasty individual?

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

He is the polar opposite of an intellectual, and does not think important policy through. Kneejerk Donnie. 

Your post needs adjusting:- trump simply is incapable of thinking. He is dumb and is certainly the extreme polar opposite of an intellectual.

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6 minutes ago, connda said:

Exactly.  Currently as well as in the past the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) screens all potential legal migrants for infectious diseases.

Good thing tourism and business travel will most likely be less of an issue. At least if history is any guide

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-42808080

[Mason45]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why do some posters on this forum think that The US is responsible for everything that happens on the planet?

If it's as serious as the OP suggests then other countries can front up with enough of the readies to make up for the US dropping out. There is enough money out there, except it's been stolen by rich people. Go ask them for some, why don't you?.

 

As for HIV, the easiest disease to avoid- don't have sex with strangers without a condom, don't use dirty needles for your drugs and don't marry or have children with men that have unprotected sex with prostitutes.

Up to you.

Maybe it's because the US likes to stick their noses in other countries business and do a fast retreat when the kitchen gets to hot. As I now live in Thailand I've been to Laos and Vietnam several times and just the mention of the USA gets them rather angry.