Angela Rayner’s Islamophobia Definition Could Extend to Non-Muslims

[GarryP]

This is an interesting thread on X. https://x.com/MaralSalmassi/status/1904202066945257527

 

Gives some perspective as to Islam. 

[BKKBike09]

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

However, Rayner maintains that the new definition will balance protections against discrimination while upholding the right to free speech ... Anticipating concerns over free expression, the terms explicitly reaffirm the right of British citizens to critique religious beliefs and practices. “Any proposed definition must be compatible with the unchanging right of British citizens to exercise freedom of speech and expression – which includes the right to criticise, express dislike of, or insult religions and/or the beliefs and practices of adherents,” the document clarifies.  

 

 

How on earth can there be a definition of 'Islamophobia' that provides "protections against discrimination" while also "being compatible" with "the right to criticise, express dislike of, or insult religions and/or the beliefs and practices of adherents"?

 

The whole thing is a minefield. Government has no business trying to legislate against 'hurty words'. Want to call someone with a few extra pounds on them a "fat c**t"? Go ahead. Want to call a Muslim with facial hair "a bearded tw#t". Go ahead.

 

 

[digger70]

3 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Why are they, the Government, going out of their way to protect only 'muslims' surely this reverse discrimination.

 

" The report, adopted by the Labour Party, defined Islamophobia as “rooted in racism” and described it as “a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness."

 

Totally ludicrous, Islam or Muslimness is not a 'race', how can it be racism????

 

It's the Government that causing this trouble instigated by Muslim input.

Get rid of the Government ,Vote for a new lot that can look after the UK peope not some others.

[brewsterbudgen]

24 minutes ago, digger70 said:

It's the Government that causing this trouble instigated by Muslim input.

Get rid of the Government ,Vote for a new lot that can look after the UK peope not some others.

You'll get a chance to do that in 2029.

[SunnyinBangrak]

This death by 1,000 cuts is pure torture. Can't labour just get it over and done with and officially make the UK a muslim country and replace old school traditional law and justice with sharia. 

[brewsterbudgen]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

This death by 1,000 cuts is pure torture. Can't labour just get it over and done with and officially make the UK a muslim country and replace old school traditional law and justice with sharia. 

Why would they do that?  Muslims only represent 6.5% of the UK population.

[Hatari fan]

You could understand Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan having laws to protect Muslims but a predominantly Christian country like the UK having them is ludicrous, it's like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Islam is a ideology hiding behind a religion and if you let it it will take over. 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, Hatari fan said:

You could understand Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan having laws to protect Muslims but a predominantly Christian country like the UK having them is ludicrous, it's like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Islam is an ideology hiding behind a religion and if you let it it will take over. 

There’s already millions of Muslims in the UK, many born there.

 

 

 

 

[digger70]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

You'll get a chance to do that in 2029.

So who's going to take care of this now before the whole country goes to the dogs.

[sammieuk1]

She reminds me of a less bearded JD' dose Angie 🤔

[soalbundy]

Islam is a terror organization.

[supersomchai]

More labour non sense that will just

drive voters to the right ,big labour own goal!

[mikeymike100]

3 hours ago, Hatari fan said:

You could understand Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan having laws to protect Muslims but a predominantly Christian country like the UK having them is ludicrous, it's like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Islam is a ideology hiding behind a religion and if you let it it will take over. 

In some cities in the UK it already has!

[BusyB]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It doesn’t take a lot of thought to work out why this is correct.

 

Bigots are usually dullards, plenty of examples demonstrate that to be so.

 

If a bigot who hates Muslims violently attacks a Jew in the mistaken belief they are a Muslim then the motivation for the attack is Islamophobia.

 

Bigots aren’t the brightest of folk, they are almost always blinded to reality by their own hatred.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Witness this thread.

 

It's not too hard to understand that if I sock a Sikh because based on the color of his/her skin I think s/he's Muslim, then s/he is by definition a victim of my islamophobia. I'm highly unlikely to be smashed in the face for being a Muslim 'cos I'm white. Coloured people are most at risk.

 

Fact is most Muslims in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter) are people of color. So the haters hide behind the 'Muslim is a religion' trope to deny their racism.

 

[proton]

15 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

In some cities in the UK it already has!

 

Leicester- white minority city with 70 mosques, and usually a muslim mayor

[proton]

6 minutes ago, BusyB said:

 

Witness this thread.

 

It's not too hard to understand that if I sock a Sikh because based on the color of his/her skin I think s/he's Muslim, then s/he is by definition a victim of my islamophobia. I'm highly unlikely to be smashed in the face for being a Muslim 'cos I'm white. Coloured people are most at risk.

 

Fact is most Muslims in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter) are people of color. So the haters hide behind the 'Muslim is a religion' trope to deny their racism.

 

 

There is no racism in being anti muslim, it's a religion/ideology, not a race. People of all races are, unfortunately, muslims.

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Leicester- white minority city with 70 mosques, and usually a muslim mayor

You are surprised a town with a white minority has a Muslim mayor.

 

What is it you don’t understand about democracy?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, proton said:

 

There is no racism in being anti muslim, it's a religion/ideology, not a race. People of all races are, unfortunately, muslims.

I suggest you read the UK’s race hate laws.

[KannikaP]

9 hours ago, PomPolo said:

How is that Islamophobic then?  She needs a good sh4g that lady (I'm definitely not volunteering)

If she saw your avatar, SHE would be the one saying NO, not you.

Actually, she is my MP for Ashton-u-Lyne, so next time I visit I shall go see her, and ask .

[BusyB]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are surprised a town with a white minority has a Muslim mayor.

 

What is it you don’t understand about democracy?

 

 

 

Like Trump, many third world tin pot potentates, millions of Magas and others with such  low frustration thresholds, it's only democracy if they like the result.

 

 

 

[BusyB]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suggest you read the UK’s race hate laws.

 

And perhaps my post again 555

 

I rest my case.

[Mike_Hunt]

Why does the left love a group of people who hate the West? 

[Mike_Hunt]

1 minute ago, BusyB said:

 

Like Trump, many third world tin pot potentates, millions of Magas and others with such  low frustration thresholds, it's only democracy if they like the result.

 

 

 

Pot meet Kettle. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s already millions of Muslims in the UK, many born there.

 

Just more to leave or be forcibly remigrated when the time comes.

 

And that time is coming.

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are surprised a town with a white minority has a Muslim mayor.

 

What is it you don’t understand about democracy?

 

 

 

Were we asked if we approved of mass migration? No.

 

Where was your democracy then?

[brewsterbudgen]

8 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Were we asked if we approved of mass migration? No.

 

Where was your democracy then?

I suspect history is not your strong point, but mass migration in Britain started in earnest in the post-war years and without it the country would have never have fully recovered after World War 2.  Migration was actively encouraged by all parties to re-build the economy.

 

You might also be unfamiliar with Britain's role in colonising half the world!  As Britain decolonized in Africa, the Caribbean, and Asia, many people with British citizenship or ties to the UK migrated for better economic opportunities or to escape instability.  Maybe some disapproved but I'm sure they hadn't disapproved of the colonisation and the Empire.

 

Now admittedly the next wave in 2004 after EU expansion might not have been approved by all; and ended up with Brexit.  However, migration since Brexit has not declined much!

 

Anyway, I hope this helps.

[MalcolmB]

12 hours ago, proton said:

The insanity of the left, how on earth can a Buddhist be perceived as a muslim? I

I did it last week.

Assumed the guy was Muslim by his look and mannerisms but it turned out he was Muslims.

Hard to tell down here in Phuket.

[MalcolmB]

58 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Why does the left love a group of people who hate the West? 

I doubt they hate the west.

Why would you move to the west if you hated it?

[PomPolo]

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

If she saw your avatar, SHE would be the one saying NO, not you.

Actually, she is my MP for Ashton-u-Lyne, so next time I visit I shall go see her, and ask .

No wonder you came to Thailand!

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Islam is a terror organization.

Christianity is a peodo organization