Illegal Migrants Accused of Raping Kids Release in Sanctuary State of Massachusetts

[hotsun]

14 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I consider the rape of or any unprovocked assault on anyone a very serious crime regardless of the victim's age or physical capacity.

My "thoughts" (comments) only offend you because you either misunderstand or disagree with them.
I have eight children (four natural, three adopted, and one foster child), but they are all adults now. I now have 12 grandkids (most are now adults), and three great-grandchildren. 

No i believe that some thoughts shouldnt be shared. You should keep it to yourself

[WDSmart]

11 minutes ago, hotsun said:

No i believe that some thoughts shouldnt be shared. You should keep it to yourself

In my opinion, these forums, and, in fact, all social media, are all about sharing thoughts.

[hotsun]

Just now, WDSmart said:

In my opinion, these forums, and, in fact, all social media, are all about sharing thoughts.

You shouldnt feel comfortable posting that stuff. People have been detained for less

[kingstonkid]

7 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

These people are "minor attracted people" 

They must receive counselling 

 

Beleive me in Elsalvafor they will get all they need.  The only better place would be in a max facility with nurders and thesives that are lifers.  Cild rape in Prison is right up there with snitch

[riclag]

On 3/26/2025 at 7:09 AM, Social Media said:

” His jail has housed two individuals charged with child rape in the past six months, both of whom were released on just $500 bail. “Most people would not think that’s an appropriate bail”

Born & raised there ,Worcester county 

40 miles outside Boston.

 

Progressive heaven, Massachusetts is!

They find ways around what used  to be Conservative/ liberal values.

They / them come from other countries as always but this time, they / them become citizens & politicians and want to change the meaning of assimilation. You might see similar situations in your country, were they/them cut corners for the perpetrators, make exceptions.

 

https://globalboston.bc.edu/index.php/home/eras-of-migration/global-era/sanctuary-cities/#:~:text=In the years that followed,and Lawrence adopted similar provisions.

 

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2019/07/07/fact-check-sen-martha-mcsally-says-90-asylum-cases-not-legitimate/1553230001/

 

 

[kingstonkid]

35 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

In my opinion, these forums, and, in fact, all social media, are all about sharing thoughts.

 

The biggest difference is that in most child rapes the child is unable to make or understand tht things are wrong.  So I will simply ask 

 

If a guy rapes a 3 year old girl is that any worse traumatically and physically to that of an adult.

 

BTW the charges against these rapists werenot brought by ICE they were brought by local law enforcement that is the oly way you would go before a judge for bond.

 

As to letting them see a judge to decide sure but that should be BEFORE they enter the country.

 

Beleive me when I say that law enforcement does it's homework before arresting anyone on gang related charges.  ICE only knows about them because they have some to Law enforcements attention.

 

For an idea of how the system works Check out Grady Judd and Polk County police.

 

 

[frank83628]

20 hours ago, WDSmart said:

5. Like a lot of Trump's deportees, these people may have been suspected of something or even charged with it, but they have not been convicted of anything yet.

Did you care about this when other Presidents were deporting people?

Seems to me people only care because its Trump and have to oppose him regardless 

[WDSmart]

Just now, frank83628 said:

Did you care about this when other Presidents were deporting people?

Seems to me people only care because its Trump and have to oppose him regardless 

I don't recall any other presidents deporting people. I'm sure they did, but I did not know, or at least don't remember, who they were or the details.

Yes, I do expect I will oppose almost everything Trump does. In this case, however, the reasons are that he is doing this, which, IMO, is illegally, and it involves a very large number of people.

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I don't recall any other presidents deporting people. I'm sure they did, but I did not know, or at least don't remember, who they were or the details.

Yes, I do expect I will oppose almost everything Trump does. In this case, however, the reasons are that he is doing this, which, IMO, is illegally, and it involves a very large number of people.

Yeah, exactly, that's because the MSM never reported on it, they cover for Democrats, Obama deported more than any previous Presidents combined, he was Nick named 'deporter in chief' i'm sure you'll find it buried way down 50 pages on a google search.

[WDSmart]

37 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Yeah, exactly, that's because the MSM never reported on it, they cover for Democrats, Obama deported more than any previous Presidents combined, he was Nick named 'deporter in chief' i'm sure you'll find it buried way down 50 pages on a google search.

I didn't Google any of this, but I will not dispute it. 

My comments in this forum are based on three of my opinions:
1. There are federal agents (ICE) and local agents (District Attorney, police, judges, etc. - DAs). ICE can investigate and deport people, DAs can't. DA's can try people for rape or any other crime committed in the US, ICE can't.
2. Many of these people labeled "illegal aliens" did enter the US illegally, but have since filed for Refugee status. That is something that ICE has to sort out, not the DAs.
3. If any of these people have been ACCUSED of rape (or any other crime) while in the US, they are entitled to a presumption of innocence and a trial. That is done by the DAs. If any of these people have been accused or convicted of rape (or any other crime) before coming to the US, that is something that will be considered in their application for Asylum (ICE).

What I see here is that many people mix up the two jurisdictions and just think any "illegal alien" accused of rape (or any crime) while in the US should and can be immediately deported. I don't think the two systems work together that way. 

[black tabby12345]

How many Criminal Safe Heavens in USA today?

[radiochaser]

13 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I don't recall any other presidents deporting people. I'm sure they did, but I did not know, or at least don't remember, who they were or the details.

Yes, I do expect I will oppose almost everything Trump does. In this case, however, the reasons are that he is doing this, which, IMO, is illegally, and it involves a very large number of people.

Been going on for years.  I heard/read about it ..  I am sure that there are more than the list below. 

 

The question is, why, with the millions that biden let in, was the returns and removals so low?

 

And look at the numbers by clinton and obama, you know, democrat presidents!!  They have put Trump to shame!!

 

| President | Returns | Removals |
|—————-|————-|————|
| Reagan | 7,992,746 | 100,000 |
| H.W. Bush | 4,728,471 | 200,000 |
| Clinton | 10,000,905 | 870,000 |
| W. Bush | 10,039,724 | 2,000,000 |
| Obama | 2,000,000 | 3,000,000 |
| Trump | 500,000 | 2,000,000 |
| Biden | 100,000 | 500,000 |

 

Deportation vs. Removal – Legal Distinctions

1. How is deportation different from removal?

https://www.uscisguide.com/living/deportation-vs-removal-legal-distinctions/

 

[radiochaser]

13 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I didn't Google any of this, but I will not dispute it. 

My comments in this forum are based on three of my opinions:
1. There are federal agents (ICE) and local agents (District Attorney, police, judges, etc. - DAs). ICE can investigate and deport people, DAs can't. DA's can try people for rape or any other crime committed in the US, ICE can't.
2. Many of these people labeled "illegal aliens" did enter the US illegally, but have since filed for Refugee status. That is something that ICE has to sort out, not the DAs.
3. If any of these people have been ACCUSED of rape (or any other crime) while in the US, they are entitled to a presumption of innocence and a trial. That is done by the DAs. If any of these people have been accused or convicted of rape (or any other crime) before coming to the US, that is something that will be considered in their application for Asylum (ICE).

What I see here is that many people mix up the two jurisdictions and just think any "illegal alien" accused of rape (or any crime) while in the US should and can be immediately deported. I don't think the two systems work together that way. 

Have you ever read the U.S. laws regarding illegal aliens?  If not, you should.  I have.   While reading those laws, when any section, or paragraph that makes a reference to a different law, you should go and read that law as well.  Not just the referenced part, as just that part may not make sense regarding the previous law, but the entire law that includes the referenced part.  

 

I won't speak to the immediacy of deportations, but "any "illegal alien" accused of rape (or any crime) while in the US ... can be .... deported."

Not only can an "illegal alien" be deported for violation of criminal law while in the United States or in their country of origin, but "legal aliens" can be deported for violation of criminal law, while in the United States or outside of the United States in their country of origin or any other country they may have been in prior to being in the United States.    In some rare cases, a Naturalized Citizen of the United States can and has been deported from the United States, back to their country of origin, after violation of felony level, criminal law as well as losing their U.S. citizenship.   

 

[WDSmart]

14 hours ago, radiochaser said:

Have you ever read the U.S. laws regarding illegal aliens?  If not, you should.  I have.   While reading those laws, when any section, or paragraph that makes a reference to a different law, you should go and read that law as well.  Not just the referenced part, as just that part may not make sense regarding the previous law, but the entire law that includes the referenced part.  

 

I won't speak to the immediacy of deportations, but "any "illegal alien" accused of rape (or any crime) while in the US ... can be .... deported."

Not only can an "illegal alien" be deported for violation of criminal law while in the United States or in their country of origin, but "legal aliens" can be deported for violation of criminal law, while in the United States or outside of the United States in their country of origin or any other country they may have been in prior to being in the United States.    In some rare cases, a Naturalized Citizen of the United States can and has been deported from the United States, back to their country of origin, after violation of felony level, criminal law as well as losing their U.S. citizenship.   

 

Thanks for the info. 

Part of my point in this forum is that many of the people described as "illegal aliens" may have indeed entered the country illegally, but have since filed an application for asylum. International law allows that an asylum refugee can enter any country illegally if they are indeed fleeing some kind of threat in their home country. Their longer-term status is then determined later during their asylum application proceedings. That's my understanding of that process. 

Also, I believe there is a big difference between being "accused" and "found guilty" of any act, so I believe accusing an illegal or legal alien of something should not be a valid criterion for deporting them.

[mrwebb8825]

On 3/26/2025 at 2:55 PM, georgegeorgia said:

These people are "minor attracted people" 

They must receive counselling 

I have a few appointment slots open. Send them by. 🤠

[radiochaser]

7 hours ago, WDSmart said:

Thanks for the info. 

Part of my point in this forum is that many of the people described as "illegal aliens" may have indeed entered the country illegally, but have since filed an application for asylum. International law allows that an asylum refugee can enter any country illegally if they are indeed fleeing some kind of threat in their home country. Their longer-term status is then determined later during their asylum application proceedings. That's my understanding of that process. 

Also, I believe there is a big difference between being "accused" and "found guilty" of any act, so I believe accusing an illegal or legal alien of something should not be a valid criterion for deporting them.

Most of the "illegal aliens" currently being deported,  some of which I have read applied for asylum, have been arrested and charged with committing criminal acts,  in the United States, in  violation of American law, then released by democrat party supporting judges.    Some of the deported have been adjudicated in a court of law and served time in jail or prison and are also being deported. 

 

Some of the deported have been, what you could call, collateral damage, i.e. they were with the criminal aliens at the time ICE picked up the criminal aliens and were also deported, because they violated Federal Immigration Laws, by illegally entering the United States. 

 

All illegal aliens, have committed a criminal act on entering the United States when they do not enter at an official port of entry.   The biden administration was playing games with the immigration law by accepting applications by a "criminal alien" that did not follow immigration law and going through a legal port of entry. 

 

Immigration law allows "criminal aliens" (you know the adults that paid human traffickers to help them enter the United States illegally) to be deported, without going through a court of law.   

 

Can you reference the so called, "International Law" and if the United States is a signatory of that "International Law"?

[WDSmart]

10 hours ago, radiochaser said:

Most of the "illegal aliens" currently being deported,  some of which I have read applied for asylum, have been arrested and charged with committing criminal acts,  in the United States, in  violation of American law, then released by democrat party supporting judges.    Some of the deported have been adjudicated in a court of law and served time in jail or prison and are also being deported.

Someone "arrested and charged" is presumed to be innocent until they admit to being guility or are found guilty by a judge or jury. Someone "arrested and charged" is eligble for release or bail as decided by a judge. This should be the practice for judges "supporting" both the Democrat and Republican Parties. Anyone here illegally or legally on a visa who is found guilty of a crime, whether they serve time or not, can (and  most should) be deported.  

 

Some of the deported have been, what you could call, collateral damage, i.e. they were with the criminal aliens at the time ICE picked up the criminal aliens and were also deported, because they violated Federal Immigration Laws, by illegally entering the United States. 

Yes, I agree. Thanks for acknowlging this.

 

All illegal aliens, have committed a criminal act on entering the United States when they do not enter at an official port of entry.   The biden administration was playing games with the immigration law by accepting applications by a "criminal alien" that did not follow immigration law and going through a legal port of entry.
As I noted before, if the alien claims to be a refugee, then they are entitled to apply for refugee status whether they entered the USA legally or illegally. 

 

Immigration law allows "criminal aliens" (you know the adults that paid human traffickers to help them enter the United States illegally) to be deported, without going through a court of law. 
Some (many?) of these "criminal aliens" you describe above have paid human trafficers to help them enter the USA because they are under threat in their home country. In other words, they are refugees and one in the USA can apply for refugee status.  

 

Can you reference the so called, "International Law" and if the United States is a signatory of that "International Law"?
You can just Google "International law regarding refugees" and find many links to explanations of the law. Here is just one of those:
The 1951 Refugee Convention | UNHCR

 

[radiochaser]

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Most of the "illegal aliens" currently being deported,  some of which I have read applied for asylum, have been arrested and charged with committing criminal acts,  in the United States, in  violation of American law, then released by democrat party supporting judges.    Some of the deported have been adjudicated in a court of law and served time in jail or prison and are also being deported.

Someone "arrested and charged" is presumed to be innocent until they admit to being guility or are found guilty by a judge or jury. Someone "arrested and charged" is eligble for release or bail as decided by a judge. This should be the practice for judges "supporting" both the Democrat and Republican Parties. Anyone here illegally or legally on a visa who is found guilty of a crime, whether they serve time or not, can (and  most should) be deported.  

 

Some of the deported have been, what you could call, collateral damage, i.e. they were with the criminal aliens at the time ICE picked up the criminal aliens and were also deported, because they violated Federal Immigration Laws, by illegally entering the United States. 

Yes, I agree. Thanks for acknowlging this.

 

All illegal aliens, have committed a criminal act on entering the United States when they do not enter at an official port of entry.   The biden administration was playing games with the immigration law by accepting applications by a "criminal alien" that did not follow immigration law and going through a legal port of entry.
As I noted before, if the alien claims to be a refugee, then they are entitled to apply for refugee status whether they entered the USA legally or illegally. 

 

Immigration law allows "criminal aliens" (you know the adults that paid human traffickers to help them enter the United States illegally) to be deported, without going through a court of law. 
Some (many?) of these "criminal aliens" you describe above have paid human trafficers to help them enter the USA because they are under threat in their home country. In other words, they are refugees and one in the USA can apply for refugee status.  

 

Can you reference the so called, "International Law" and if the United States is a signatory of that "International Law"?
You can just Google "International law regarding refugees" and find many links to explanations of the law. Here is just one of those:

Regarding, The 1951 Refugee Convention

I used bing.com, not google.   I read it to before posting my response to you.  It supports what I have been writing.  And it isn't international law.  

[WDSmart]

9 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

Regarding, The 1951 Refugee Convention

I used bing.com, not google.   I read it to before posting my response to you.  It supports what I have been writing.  And it isn't international law.  

I use Google.
Here's another site more specific to the USA: An Overview of U.S. Refugee Law and Policy | American Immigration Council

[simple1]

On 3/26/2025 at 10:29 AM, steven100 said:

all nasty individuals ...  deport and ban.

 

Agree, if guilty deport after serving jail time in US. Plus prosecute those in the Administration who failed in their duty of care by not separating the children from adults in detention. 

[radiochaser]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I use Google.
Here's another site more specific to the USA: An Overview of U.S. Refugee Law and Policy | American Immigration Council

I have proven for myself, that google will not provide links for many searches.   Sometimes it will not provide any links for the subject being searched for.  This was proven by using the same search term with several other search engines that do provide several links regarding the search subject when google fails to provide any. 

 

U.S. Refugee law is not the 1951 convention nor is it the 1967 Protocol.     

 

My question to you was, "Can you reference the so called, "International Law" and if the United States is a signatory of that "International Law" that you mentioned.  

 

I also thought that this thread was about "illegal aliens", aliens who first violated U.S. immigration law and then commited criminal acts in the U.S..  Again, many of the illegal aliens have already been adjudicated and convicted of criminal acts and are being /  have been deported.  

 

And a side question.  Do you have any idea, what the illegal immigrants pay to the human trafficker's to help them move from countries in South America and to illegally enter the United States?   I do!

 

[WDSmart]

Just now, radiochaser said:

I have proven for myself, that google will not provide links for many searches.   Sometimes it will not provide any links for the subject being searched for.  This was proven by using the same search term with several other search engines that do provide several links regarding the search subject when google fails to provide any. 

 

U.S. Refugee law is not the 1951 convention nor is it the 1967 Protocol.     

 

My question to you was, "Can you reference the so called, "International Law" and if the United States is a signatory of that "International Law" that you mentioned.  

 

I also thought that this thread was about "illegal aliens", aliens who first violated U.S. immigration law and then commited criminal acts in the U.S..  Again, many of the illegal aliens have already been adjudicated and convicted of criminal acts and are being /  have been deported.  

 

And a side question.  Do you have any idea, what the illegal immigrants pay to the human trafficker's to help them move from countries in South America and to illegally enter the United States?   I do!

 

I did call it an International Law, but it appears to be better described as an "international agreement. the US does have it's own laws concerning refugees, and above I did post a link to that.

Many "illegal aliens" are called that because they did enter the USA illegally. But, if they then file for Refugee status, they are (usually) permitted to pursue that application. You could still call them "Illegal", since that filing does not change how they entered the USA. If, however, their application for refugee status is approved, they are then given a visa. 

I Googled the question about what the usual fee is for human traffickers and found it was about $3k to $4k. Here is the link:
Human smuggling fees | Open Borders: The Case

[cjinchiangrai]

We need to be careful. One rapist held up to incite people to ignore due process should not extinguish the rights of thousands of other people.