Anutin: Investigation into Bangkok Building Collapse to Take Months

[sammieuk1]

Turns out Bamboo substitute (after disbursements) ain't quake proof🤔

[PETERTHEEATER]

As long as STETCON plc are shown not to have been involved in the construction aspect of the project the Minister will press for a speedy report. Announcing that it could take months is not looking good for him.

[MikeandDow]

Basicly there are four thing need to be checked

Paper work. P/O,  NCRs. RFI, mill/heat certs ect   time frame 1 week

Rebar   destructive testing and MS  1week

concrete MS testing 1week

modelling of design on PC 1 week 

Max 6 weeks

this guy is starting to cover this up months my axse

[pete43]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

At the centre of the ongoing probe is the structural engineering of the building, which requires comprehensive examination before any conclusions are drawn.

MM, Something to do with re-rolling re-bar, making it weaker and more liable to cracks, perchance? 

[Jumbo1968]

The Grenfell inquiry lasted 7 years.

[newbee2022]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

On another note, he addressed the need for fairer compensation for victims. Current legal frameworks prescribe inadequate compensation—29,000 baht for fatalities and 4,000 baht for injuries.

At least for the fatalities it should be 1 mill. Baht. (Even that would be peanuts in US)

[ronnie50]

12 hours ago, webfact said:

A week after the collapse of a new government building in Chatuchak, authorities have announced that a definitive cause remains elusive, with investigations poised to extend for several months.

Hmm, there were 5,500 reports of damage (varying degrees), yet in a matter of a couple of days some 29,000 existing buildings were supposedly inspected and cleared. But it could take months to find out why this one building collapsed. Is Anutin smoking the merchandise he lobbied for?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Thai workers compensation law stipulates a death benefit of 70% of a worker's monthly pay capped at 10 years. Even at minimum wage, this would generate over 700,000 baht in death benefit. There is currently no cap on medical expense benefits under Thailand's work comp law.

 

Employers are required to contribute to the Workers Compensation Fund and all Thai citizens and non-Thais with work authorization must be covered.

 

Perhaps Anutin was referring to undocumented workers when he mentioned 29,000 baht death benefit and 4,000 baht medical expenses.

 

 

[AustinRacing]

First, get the people out of there. Of course several months later people will forget it and corrupts crooks live for another day. As minister of interior with contractors building government facilities he may well be on the take. 

[nakhonandy]

10 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Thanks for the info. I feared that would be the case. What would be the result of a fast high speed train running along fake steel rails and components? I can guess.

Considering it's the Chinese government involved in the railways and not fly by night Chinese companies, I think the railways are safe enough. One doesn't hear of serious problems with the various railways. 

[couchpotato]

I think the final report on the tradegy is going to be a comedy of errors.  Substandard steel some places, possibly poorly constructed elevator shafts, corruption from the initial contract and plans, material not up to spec, concrete not properly cured etc, and the list goes on. But of course being Thailand the blame will be watered down substantially in the final report. Italthai will be blameless of course.

[jcmj]

To be honest, a week was way too short to get all of the information, data and experts(hopefully independent) to figure out what the factors were behind the collapse. If they do it in a month I’d expect a much more in-depth analysis, but I’m afraid that TIT and it won’t happen as it would in most other developed countries where brown envelopes and loss of face aren’t in the equation. And the death and injury pay is ridiculous. I sure hope someone steps up and gets that increased. That’s a slap in the face to the workers and they wonder why they can’t get enough to work construction and the poor Myanmar people come and do it. I’ll bet the numbers don’t even include them as they were probably not even on the books. Sad for them. 

[MikeandDow]

9 hours ago, couchpotato said:

I think the final report on the tradegy is going to be a comedy of errors.  Substandard steel some places, possibly poorly constructed elevator shafts, corruption from the initial contract and plans, material not up to spec, concrete not properly cured etc, and the list goes on. But of course being Thailand the blame will be watered down substantially in the final report. Italthai will be blameless of course.

Yes tend to agree there are several factors for this collapse building  are involved but you can cross of the list concrete not properly cured   the structure was completed in april  2024 the concrete was a year old before it collapsed

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 4/5/2025 at 8:02 AM, webfact said:

Mr Anutin emphasised the need for a detailed probe into various engineering safety factors, including resistance to shear and torsion forces, all of which will necessitate meticulous calculations over the coming months.

 

The above just shows the idiocy of government leaders who were in the news just a few days back declaring that the investigation into the SAB collapse needed to be completed within one week.

 

 Khaosod English - March 31, 2025

 

"The Prime Minister has ordered a fact-finding mission to be completed within one week. Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Anutin Charnvirakul signed an order on Sunday, March 30, establishing a committee led by the Chief Engineer from the Department of Public Works and credible experts.

 

“We expect it will take about seven days to establish the facts...." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2025/03/31/probe-focuses-thai-chinese-venture-in-bangkoks-fatal-building-collapse/

 

[connda]

On 4/5/2025 at 8:02 AM, webfact said:

A week after the collapse of a new government building in Chatuchak, authorities have announced that a definitive cause remains elusive, with investigations poised to extend for several months.

or years.
or decades.

[KireB]

He is buying time, our chili pepper. No way a Chinese company will take the blame, too much at stake.

[Sir Dude]

Well, to the Obergruppenführer in charge of this, guess that is convenient for the CCP... kick it into the long grass and the news cycle will move on, then your overlords will be happy in Beijing, as no-one will care as you can easily sweep it under the carpet having received many brown envelopes to do the bidding of Sauron.

[cjinchiangrai]

On 4/5/2025 at 8:54 AM, BangkokReady said:

 

So not the second hand Chinese steel?  Interesting...  🤔

Not likely, the steel usually has a several hundred percent safety factor. Even if it was under-spec, it is unlikely to be a primary failure point. The concrete is a more likely culprit, but even there, it was an incomplete building. There were a lot of walls and other reinforcing elements that had not been installed yet. If you want to talk about the people that are worried, the Chinese certainly, but where did the concrete come from.

[Luuk Chaai]

On 4/5/2025 at 12:58 PM, John Drake said:

Question: are the same Chinese companies involved in the building collapse also involved in building Thailand's high speed railway?

 

and ..  do some research ...   look and see where a lot of the aftermarket truck brake parts come from ....

 

connect the dots !

[CANSIAM]

Investigate Anutin cement and Chinese Steele by construction engineers from Europe or the West, problem solved.....😉  

[JimHuaHin]

Months - enough time for the public to "forget" and for the Chinese to make a small gift to the investigators.

[Harsh Jones]

On 4/4/2025 at 7:45 PM, MikeandDow said:

(This unusual design could contribute to structural instability. )    they (the goverment) aproved the design by committee. this is all a cover up all this can be modelled on a pc not in months but days total BS

Nah. Probably not. Most failures like this are engineering failures. The unconventional design theory makes a hell of a lot more sense than the "rebar bad" nonsense. 

[henryford1958]

No need, i can tell you the cause now. The Chinese builders were bribed to used defective steel. Sorted Anutin.

[Harsh Jones]

I wonder what the scandal mongers would be dining out on if not for this building collapse. 

 

4.7 seems low for the kind of shaking that was going on in Bangkok, especially the videos from the towers. There is more factors than just the magnitude. Depth also plays a big part.

 

We had a 4.7 magnitude earthquake in Vancouver  British Columbia 1 month ago. It was nothing more than a curiosity with no damage recorded. Yet in Bangkok with the same alleged 4.7 magnitude, the buildings are swaying side to side to the point where pool water is all landing on the streets. 

 

There is hardly any worthwhile footage other than a camera mounted to a flimsy pole to good effect. The quake was just below the threshold where damage should be expected they say

 

 

[MikeandDow]

10 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Nah. Probably not. Most failures like this are engineering failures. The unconventional design theory makes a hell of a lot more sense than the "rebar bad" nonsense. 

Assumptions !    you can not say oh its bad design! oh its the rebar !    their are several factors involved in this collapse, Design is a part of engineering and a factor in the collapse as is rebar, it failed the mass to weight ratio crucial for structural integrity, Cement is also a factor, no news on tests so far, addition of fly ash and slag as this again is a factor in structural integrity.  there also is bad workmanship and of course the major factor Corruption

[MikeandDow]

8 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

I wonder what the scandal mongers would be dining out on if not for this building collapse. 

 

4.7 seems low for the kind of shaking that was going on in Bangkok, especially the videos from the towers. There is more factors than just the magnitude. Depth also plays a big part.

 

We had a 4.7 magnitude earthquake in British Columbia 1 month ago. It was nothing more than a curiosity with no damage recorded. Yet in Bangkok with the same alleged 4.7 magnitude, the buildings are swaying side to side to the point where pool water is all landing on the streets. 

 

There is hardly any worthwhile footage other than a camera mounted to a flimsy pole to good effect

 

 

Totally different soil/ground conditions, Bangkok is built on a swamp, Vancouver not

[impulse]

On 4/5/2025 at 6:33 PM, MikeandDow said:

Basicly there are four thing need to be checked

Paper work. P/O,  NCRs. RFI, mill/heat certs ect   time frame 1 week

Rebar   destructive testing and MS  1week

concrete MS testing 1week

modelling of design on PC 1 week 

Max 6 weeks

this guy is starting to cover this up months my axse

 

It can take them months (if not years) to model the building as it stood when the earthquake actually hit.  And at other phases of construction when the mass was there, but none of the internal and external bracing elements. 

 

I suspect they approved the building based on their models of a fully built structure but got caught out in the interim by an earthquake when not all of the structural elements were in place yet.  My suspicion is that the torsional stiffness just wasn't there yet without the external and internal walls.  But you don't need torsional stiffness unless there are torsional loads, and that means a typhoon or an earthquake.

 

But I'll wait for the investigation.  With the caveat that if it's a quick investigation, it won't be complete and thorough.  And nothing will be learned about the (apparently) new and zoomy construction methods.  And I'm wide open to the possibility of shoddy materials, though it's way too early to point that finger before they do the "as it stood" modeling.

 

[sandyf]

On 4/5/2025 at 1:39 PM, hotchilli said:

Drag their feet for months and when everyone's forgotten about it.. don't mention it again.

Chinese guys caught removing paperwork from the site means things have to hidden..

dodgy dealings, short-cuts, material cost cutting, things signed off that shouldn't be etc etc..

People also ask

How long did the Grenfell inquiry take?

 

The 1,700-page report of the six-year public inquiry "sets out how a chain of failures across government and the private sector led to Grenfell Tower becoming a death trap".

[MikeandDow]

27 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It can take them months (if not years) to model the building as it stood when the earthquake actually hit.  And at other phases of construction when the mass was there, but none of the internal and external bracing elements. 

 

I suspect they approved the building based on their models of a fully built structure but got caught out in the interim by an earthquake when not all of the structural elements were in place yet.  My suspicion is that the torsional stiffness just wasn't there yet without the external and internal walls.  But you don't need torsional stiffness unless there are torsional loads, and that means a typhoon or an earthquake.

 

But I'll wait for the investigation.  With the caveat that if it's a quick investigation, it won't be complete and thorough.  And nothing will be learned about the (apparently) new and zoomy construction methods.  And I'm wide open to the possibility of shoddy materials, though it's way too early to point that finger before they do the "as it stood" modeling.

 

The structure was COMPLETED  in april 2024,   Its a blame  game ! That what takes the time in any enquiry ! 

[rabas]

Some evidence. It appears the building snapped at the base possibly from  torsional forces. The earthquake at my place had three distinct waves arriving roughly a minute  apart, 1) compression P waves  (swaying), 2) S waves (heavy shaking), 3) Surface waves i.e., Love and Raleigh waves(worse shaking). Love waves tend to twist things.  There are 2 frames a fraction of a second apart. Top 2 images show the base, lower (same) images show most of the building. (Images are zoomable). The pillars snap from the corner as expected from a twisting motion.