Thanks to Donald, finally we know.

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

The big concern is Vance, he appears to be equally fanatical. If the opportunity arising it will take a lot of effort and time to restore Global Order and Trade.. As an example trump Admin declined to appoint Appeal Judges to WTO,. Accordingly appeals will sit in limbo for a very long time.

Restoring the old "Global Order and Trade" means the death of America. Its not going happen.

 

Since we built the "Global Order", its ours to mess with as we choose. Its so much fun to see y'all screech, cry, yell in rage and then grovel.

 

[Jingthing]

 

6 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

 Can someone  help explain  why America charging almost of half what it is currently charged by other country becoming such a big crime . 

 

That's not what was done. Maybe come back when you're updated on the actual news. 

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

He already is impeached, twice.

Falsely, and NOTHING came of either.

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

 

And protestors shot down was....... yeah none.  Your imagined machine gunning of protestors never happened and the takeovers never happened.   Get help.  The fascists are on the left not the right.  People who are brainwashed as you are can protest no penalty.  Stay off the roads and don't commit violence and all is well.

You're not posting in good faith. You're making stuff up and are mostly about obnoxious personal attacks. Waste of everyone's time. BYE.

[anotherexpat4444]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

 

That's not what was done. Maybe come back when you're updated on the actual news. 

what is the actual news . any link ? 

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

 

Did happen.  Many far left people were crying about how GW Bush would not leave office.  Just because you didn't know about it or don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Just like now.  You are proposing fear Trump won't leave office.  People like you (far left) worried Bush would not hand power over to the next president.  And 10 years from now you can disavow anyone ever said it about Trump when the discussion is of some other guy (Vance maybe) not leaving after 8 years.  It gets tiresome.  Denial is not just a river in Egypt. 

 

"And 10 years from now you can disavow anyone ever said it about Trump when the discussion is of some other guy".

Easy, people would be providing links in stead of just an opinion without any backup.

[Jingthing]

Just now, anotherexpat4444 said:

what is the actual news . any link ? 

The actual thing that has been done has been posted several times on this forum with links.

You're just believing the Trump lies totally uncritically.

Here's a start for you.

The tariffs Trump announced have absolutely nothing to do with tariffs on the U.S.

They're about a bizarre formula related to trade imbalances.

Completely different and NOTHING reciprocal about them. Again, maybe get educated just a little bit before posting.

[Cameroni]

8 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

I assume you mean the worldwide web, as we know it, which was invented by a Brit

 

No, I meant the internet and it was not invented by Tim Berners-Lee. 

 

It was created by Darpa, a US agency.

 

Why Tim Berners-Lee didn't invent the internet

 

https://newatlas.com/remarkable-people/tim-berners-lee-web-internet/

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

what is the actual news . any link ? 

Many links all over the place. The 'reciprocal tariffs ' are based on the trade balance. Nothing at all to do with reciprocal. 

[anotherexpat4444]

Just now, Jingthing said:

The actual thing that has been done has been posted several times on this forum with links.

You're just believing the Trump lies totally uncritically.

Here's a start for you.

The tariffs Trump announced have absolutely nothing to do with tariffs on the U.S.

They're about a bizarre formula related to trade imbalances.

Completely different and NOTHING reciprocal about them. Again, maybe get educated just a little bit before posting.

 

well . however they come up with which formula but still the number shows there is a trade deficit  between US and other countries. 

 

if it is that bad then why Argentina , Israel , India and Vietnam  looking for zero tariff .   ?

 

or USA is not supposed to have any manufacturing  ?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

 

well . however they come up with which formula but still the number shows there is a trade deficit  between US and other countries. 

 

if it is that bad then why Argentina , Israel , India and Vietnam  looking for zero tariff .   ?

 

or USA is not supposed to have any manufacturing  ?

You're confused. 

Again -- tariffs have nothing to do with trade imbalance.

Here's an elementary example especially for you.

Colombia is great at growing coffee.

The USA only grows coffee in Hawaii.

Americans drink mega tons of coffee.

Thus Colombia sells much more to the USA than vice versa on top of having a much smaller population.

That is not a bad thing.

That is a good thing.

Our moronic president thinks ALL trade imbalances are bad.

 

Any country would be looking for zero tariff. Trump's Tax Tariffs (tax spike for Americans) has been applied incredibly unfairly not based on tariff reciprocity at all. Some countries such as China will retaliate as Trump started a global trade WAR. Some like Singapore will stay quiet and be happy with 10 percent (also unfair). Some will grovel. Grovelling doesn't mean they will get results. Of course Trump being a mentally ill narcissist does love the groveling best. 

[simple1]

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Restoring the old "Global Order and Trade" means the death of America. Its not going happen.

 

Since we built the "Global Order", its ours to mess with as we choose. Its so much fun to see y'all screech, cry, yell in rage and then grovel.

 

 

Astounding arrogance, bot not unexpected from MAGA world. Out of curiosity do you post this stuff to flame?

[CallumWK]

3 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

well . however they come up with which formula but still the number shows there is a trade deficit  between US and other countries. 

 

Let me correct that for you.

 

well . however they come up with which formula but still the number shows there is a trade deficit  between US and other SOME countries. 

 

There are countries on the list with which the US has a trade surplus, so the whole thing is made up by a mentally challenged US president.

[quake]

30 minutes ago, impulse said:

Sure it did.  Dick Tracy was light years ahead of Apple with his 2 way wrist radio.  Jobs just copied it.

 Nah.

Brains from Thunderbirds was on the case,  with skype.

much better.

 

 

[anotherexpat4444]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You're confused. 

Again -- tariffs have nothing to do with trade imbalance.

Here's an elementary example especially for you.

Colombia is great at growing coffee.

The USA only grows coffee in Hawaii.

Americans drink mega tons of coffee.

Thus Colombia sells much more to the USA than vice versa on top of having a much smaller population.

That is not a bad thing.

That is a good thing.

Our moronic president thinks ALL trade imbalances are bad.

okay if columbia expects USA to charge zero  tariff on its coffe . then why it is charging USA   for what comes from USA .

[anotherexpat4444]

3 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Let me correct that for you.

 

well . however they come up with which formula but still the number shows there is a trade deficit  between US and other SOME countries. 

 

There are countries on the list with which the US has a trade surplus, so the whole thing is made up by a mentally challenged US president.

agreed . So it is fine  US  charging on these SOME countries ? 

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Astounding arrogance, bot not unexpected from MAGA world. Out of curiosity do you post this stuff to flame?

Are you claiming that the "Global order" was not built by the USA?  We built it for a purpose, its no longer serving our needs, so now we will build another.

 

Care to dispute our role with some facts beyond your typical America hating flames? Tell the Forum what MAGA world is.

 

Dont forget your childish emojis.

 

 

[CallumWK]

2 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

agreed . So it is fine  US  charging on these SOME countries ? 

 

No it isn't fine, though it is YOU who are claiming that he doesn't charge them enough.

[anotherexpat4444]

Just now, CallumWK said:

 

No it isn't fine, though it is YOU who are claiming that he doesn't charge them enough.

So basically you are saying that US should not charge any import tariff ? 

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

okay if columbia expects USA to charge zero  tariff on its coffe . then why it is charging USA   for what comes from USA .

To get the actual correct tariff rate for ALL imported US trade to Colombia you'd need to do a complex calculation with weighted averages etc. I don't have that number. Trump didn't even care to know it. We should expect much much more of our leaders. Tariffs can be used intelligently but not CHAINSAW style not even based on reciprocity as Trump has just done intentionally blowing up the global economy.

[CallumWK]

Just now, anotherexpat4444 said:

So basically you are saying that US should not charge any import tariff ? 

 

Basically I'm saying stop trolling, because you are fishing for some bait.

 

Goodbye

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

So basically you are saying that US should not charge any import tariff ? 

You're getting into higher level probably above your level economic ideology here.

Any tariffs are protectionist.
Free traders favor no tariffs even when the other country has them.

Fair traders favor reciprocal tariffs case by case.

The above two are both reasonable positions to take.

Only totally INSANE economics would have what Trump just did.

[anotherexpat4444]

Just now, Jingthing said:

To get the actual correct tariff rate for ALL imported US trade to Colombia you'd need to do a complex calculation. I don't have that number. Trump didn't even care to know it. We should expect much much more of our leaders. Tariffs can be used intelligently but not CHAINSAW style not even based on reciprocity as Trump has just done intentionally blowing up the global economy.

how can you make them  come  to tabel for a trade negotiation if you dont draw the line somewhere.     

 

Look what Argentia is doing now . 

[frank83628]

16 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

 

well . however they come up with which formula but still the number shows there is a trade deficit  between US and other countries. 

 

if it is that bad then why Argentina , Israel , India and Vietnam  looking for zero tariff .   ?

 

or USA is not supposed to have any manufacturing  ?

If this was a democrat President they'd all be gushing over the tariffs and fully behind them, repeating Trumps words exactly

[anotherexpat4444]

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

 

Basically I'm saying stop trolling, because you are fishing for some bait.

 

Goodbye

I should not respond to the folks who are not filing a 1040  and have all kind of opinions on US 

[Cameroni]

Biden finalizes increases to some of Trump’s China tariffs

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/13/politics/china-tariffs-biden-trump/index.html

 

[Moonlover]

9 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

I assume you mean the worldwide web, as we know it, which was invented by a Brit

 

8 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

 

OK wanna expand on that?  This should be good.

Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee (born 8 June 1955), also known as TimBL, is an English computer scientist best known as the inventor of the World Wide Web, the HTML markup language, the URL system, and HTTP.

 

Fun fact. HM Queen Elizabeth was the first person to send an international email.

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The internet did not come out of the USA.

just for your own edification, look up arpanet.

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

17 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

 Can someone  help explain  why America charging almost of half what it is currently charged by other country becoming such a big crime . 

 

As has been explained the calculations are based on trade imbalances not tariffs or other trade restrictions. Say Cote Divoire sells a bit more to the US  in goods than US sells to Cote Divoire - then Trump is saying that to balance it out he charges them a tariff based on half of the percentage imbalance. Could be because people in the US like chocolate - cocao beans don't grow in the United States.

To calculate the balance he leaves out services - banking, netflix, youtube, facebook, all not included which would in many cases balance it out.

Why should Cote D'ivoire be penalised for selling stuff to US if they buy less? Is it be a bad thing for one country to sell more to the other country? Why should the figures for trade be the same? 

The 10 per cent tariffs are mainly where the US in fact sells more to the country e.g. Australia. Once again not taking into account services which would make it even more one sided. Not sure how the logic works that 10 per cent should apply - they come up with fake issues for those countries by looking at individual items e.g. Australian limits US beef for reasonable reasons and has special rules for medicine that make it cheaper - rules that Trump supporters would love in their own country . 

The only logic is that Trump is using America's power to force other countries to make further concessions to trade. Bully them into submission. But the figures above are not based on calculations that make sense. 

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

how can you make them  come  to tabel for a trade negotiation if you dont draw the line somewhere.     

 

Look what Argentia is doing now . 

Like Trump you're talking in contradictions.

If you really want this tariff bomb to create a boom in US manufacturing, then that would take 5 to 10 years to get real results.

The tariff policy would need to stick so that businesses could begin to trust the US government a little bit.

If you're only using the tariff bomb to try to force negotiations, you can totally forget that first goal.

Trump has started a WAR.

Easy to start wars, hard to end them.

China and others such as Canada will not grovel. They will escalate.

Nobody wins. Everyone gets hurt. Especially American consumers.

A third contradictory goal you haven't mentioned but the Trump regime has is to use tariffs (paid by Americans) to replace the regular income tax system as much as possible.

Again if they are negotiated away, you don't get that goal either.

What Trump did was INSANE.