Game On

[Jingthing]

US products will actually get more expensive too. 

Before the ruinous Trump Tariff Tax they had to compete with better value imports.

Now with those imports priced out for many, they get the gift of more PRICING POWER to raise their prices and profits because the free market competition is now gone.

DUH. 

[rough diamond]

7 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

77 million voters can't be wrong....

Yes they were.

[fredwiggy]

5 hours ago, Digitalbanana said:

No one in their right mind bargains with a bully.

They do when there's something to gain.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

They do when there's something to gain.

It's not even clear yet whether he even wants to negotiate significantly at this point!

Yes he's a mentally ill narcissist and very much loves when people all over the world grovels to him.

But two of stated goals of this trade war on the world and American consumers contradict lowering tariffs.

Namely his stated goal of stimulating a shift to domestic production and also his stated goal of replacing income taxes with tariffs as much as possible.

Don't try to sane wash a clearly insane president.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's not even clear yet whether he even wants to negotiate significantly at this point!

Yes he's a mentally ill narcissist and very much loves when people all over the world grovels to him.

But two of stated goals of this trade war on the world and American consumers contradict lowering tariffs.

Namely his stated goal of stimulating a shift to domestic production and also his stated goal of replacing income taxes with tariffs as much as possible.

Don't try to sane wash a clearly insane president.

I'm just hoping he uses that power this time to help those in need, and maybe give us free medical. Being gung ho about America is okay but not if it hurts foreign relations. It's a good idea to buy American but the fact remains that there are a lot of things that are better made elsewhere. People like to save money.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm just hoping he uses that power this time to help those in need, and maybe give us free medical. Being gung ho about America is okay but not if it hurts foreign relations. It's a good idea to buy American but the fact remains that there are a lot of things that are better made elsewhere. People like to save money.

Better medical care? Are you flippin' serious?

This is the same sleaze bucket that tried so hard to kill the ACA with no replacement whatsoever.

Trump 2.0 / Musk is already going for massive cuts to Medicaid.

Doge has also gutted government help for medical research,

Such as improving cancer treatments. GONE.

You're dreaming, buddy.

Any savings are only for the oligarch's tax cuts.

[jerrymahoney]

Trump stated that the tariffs are authorized under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (“IEEPA”):

President Trump is invoking his authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA) to address the national emergency posed by the large and persistent trade deficit that is driven by the absence of reciprocity in our trade relationships and other harmful policies like currency manipulation and exorbitant value-added taxes (VAT) perpetuated by other countries.

The IEEPA does not authorize tariffs.

[Jingthing]

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

Trump stated that the tariffs are authorized under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (“IEEPA”):

President Trump is invoking his authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA) to address the national emergency posed by the large and persistent trade deficit that is driven by the absence of reciprocity in our trade relationships and other harmful policies like currency manipulation and exorbitant value-added taxes (VAT) perpetuated by other countries.

The IEEPA does not authorize tariffs.

Typical fascist move to grab total power. There was no such "emergency" in reality.

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Better medical care? Are you flippin' serious?

This is the same sleaze bucket that tried so hard to kill the ACA with no replacement whatsoever.

Trump 2.0 / Musk is already going for massive cuts to Medicaid.

Doge has also gutted government help for medical research,

Such as improving cancer treatments. GONE.

You're dreaming, buddy.

Any savings are only for the oligarch's tax cuts.

I see they're laying off people they think are unnecessary, which will save money. It doesn't look like they're taking away anything people already receive, like Medicare or SS, Disability. Trust me, I don't trust them, but people are watching, although a narcissist really doesn't care much about others, Congress and others he works with do. He can remain the worst president we've ever had, or sink lower, or do something and climb out of the basement, and that takes time.

[save the frogs]

14 hours ago, BLMFem said:

I hereby petition the thread to be renamed to;

 

The race to the bottom is on.

Is that really a pic of yourself in your avatar? 

 

[FlorC]

This is a copy and paste , but better said than I could :

 

China has prohibitive tariffs, so does Vietnam, so does Mexico, so does Europe. 

So do a lot of countries. 

So does India. 

But if tariffs are so destructive of their economies, why is China booming? 

How did India become an economic powerhouse when it has these exorbitant tariffs on American imports? 

How did Vietnam, of all places, become such a different country even though it has these prohibitive tariffs? 

Why isn’t Germany, before its energy problems, why wasn’t it a wreck? It’s got tariffs on almost everything that we send them. 

How is the EU even functioning with these tariffs?

I thought tariffs destroyed an ecomony, but they seem to like them. And they’re angry that they’re no longer asymmetrical. 

Apparently, people who are tariffing us think tariffs improve their economy. Maybe they’re right. I don’t know.

The second thing is, why would you get angry at the person who is reacting to the asymmetrical tariff and not the people who inaugurated the tariff?

 

 

 

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Don't you fret, the Donald has it under control.

Just blike he did when his multi-million dollar businesses went bust.......he couldn't run a bath, let alone the USA!!

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I see they're laying off people they think are unnecessary, which will save money. It doesn't look like they're taking away anything people already receive, like Medicare or SS, Disability. Trust me, I don't trust them, but people are watching, although a narcissist really doesn't care much about others, Congress and others he works with do. He can remain the worst president we've ever had, or sink lower, or do something and climb out of the basement, and that takes time.

Delusional. 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Delusional. 

Who's delusional? I see things how they are, and even though I don't like him and see  exactly what kind of person he is, he's still in power, and there are people behind him where many of his ideas originate, and they are part of the decisions made. Yes, he's out there, but what can we do besides wait to see if he fails or succeeds?

[Katatonica]

5 hours ago, frank83628 said:

That's clear to see if you're rational, logical thinking... but the anti Trumpers are irrational and melting down over it. 

The only thing Trump craves is to feed his need for attention, nothing else matters, worldwide slump or American recession, he doesn't care. He didn't get enough attention as a child so now it's 'look at what I can do.' Let's face it, everyone's talking about Trumpanomics.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Who's delusional? I see things how they are, and even though I don't like him and see  exactly what kind of person he is, he's still in power, and there are people behind him where many of his ideas originate, and they are part of the decisions made. Yes, he's out there, but what can we do besides wait to see if he fails or succeeds?

You're just wrong about the way things are.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Jingthing said:

You're just wrong about the way things are.

No, again, I'm not political, and see things how they are. I don't take sides, as both sides have problems. Anyone can see what's going on in the world around us, especially if you get more than Thai local news daily.

[Katatonica]

28 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Trump stated that the tariffs are authorized under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (“IEEPA”):

President Trump is invoking his authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA) to address the national emergency posed by the large and persistent trade deficit that is driven by the absence of reciprocity in our trade relationships and other harmful policies like currency manipulation and exorbitant value-added taxes (VAT) perpetuated by other countries.

The IEEPA does not authorize tariffs.

Rubbish. He just made up the deficit numbers anyway, pure fabrication.. There is no such thing as a trade deficit between a small country and one as large as the USA. It is a big market, they are not, simple fact. USA cannot sell a lot of goods to a small country because it doesn't have the population, but t he reverse is true. To try to equalise that situation is ludicrous.

[SunnyinBangrak]

39 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Typical fascist move to grab total power. There was no such "emergency" in reality.

Yet forming a Ministry of Truth headed up by a notorious spreader of disinformation(Ms Jankovitz) and desperately weaponizing the judicial system in a frantic move to bang up the opponent he knew he could not beat in a free and fair election was not a "typical fascist moves"?

When the hivemind comes back down to earth it will cause seismic shocks, they are so far removed from reality.

[GroveHillWanderer]

41 minutes ago, FlorC said:

This is a copy and paste , but better said than I could :

 

China has prohibitive tariffs, so does Vietnam, so does Mexico, so does Europe. 

That may be a copy and paste but it doesn't make it true. Vietnam for instance, does not have "prohibitive tariffs" on US goods. It has an average tariff of 5.1% on imports from the US. Yet Trump has levied a rate of 46% on them.

 

Because, as many, many people have now pointed out, these tariffs are not reciprocal at all - instead, they're a calculation based on the country's trade balance with the US.

 

Tariff rates Trump ascribes to other countries are vastly higher than World Trade data shows

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/04/trumps-tariff-rates-for-other-countries-larger-than-word-trade-data.html

 

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yet forming a Ministry of Truth headed up by a notorious spreader of disinformation(Ms Jankovitz) and desperately weaponizing the judicial system in a frantic move to bang up the opponent he knew he could not beat in a free and fair election was not a "typical fascist moves"?

When the hivemind comes back down to earth it will cause seismic shocks, they are so far removed from reality.

The  cultural Marxist  are  trying to destroy the greatest 

nation on earth!

 

They can’t best you with voting or a weaponized Government judiciary , so they are spinning desperately through 

their propaganda outlets to change public opinion!

 

It ain’t working ! Man on the street interviews “ Short time pain equals long time gains”!

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6371113573112

 

 

[BLMFem]

18 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Yet forming a Ministry of Truth headed up by a notorious spreader of disinformation(Ms Jankovitz) and desperately weaponizing the judicial system in a frantic move to bang up the opponent he knew he could not beat in a free and fair election was not a "typical fascist moves"?

When the hivemind comes back down to earth it will cause seismic shocks, they are so far removed from reality.

"And we say thank you to our entertainment reporter as we continue our reporting from the real world, where the economy is tanking and people in their millions are demonstrating all over the country against the Trump and Musk clown show."

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

77 million voters can't be wrong....

Herein lies the rub, Trump is not a particularly smart man but he's an absolute genius when it comes to being a huckster and using Marxist style propaganda to demonize the enemy, and convince people he is not the man that Republicans think he is.

 

Time will bear this out, there is going to be massive disappointment and a lot of tears. 

[FlorC]

What is it with these democrates ? Even Nancy Pelosi is calling for tariffs.

[FlorC]

Americans deliver shock verdict on Trump's controversial new tariffs | Daily Mail Online

 

Winning.

[FlorC]

27 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That may be a copy and paste but it doesn't make it true. Vietnam for instance, does not have "prohibitive tariffs" on US goods. It has an average tariff of 5.1% on imports from the US. Yet Trump has levied a rate of 46% on them.

 

Because, as many, many people have now pointed out, these tariffs are not reciprocal at all - instead, they're a calculation based on the country's trade balance with the US.

 

Tariff rates Trump ascribes to other countries are vastly higher than World Trade data shows

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/04/trumps-tariff-rates-for-other-countries-larger-than-word-trade-data.html

 

I know this. Whether the writer meant prohibitive tariffs or the trade balance offset, makes no difference. Trump is right and last I hear Vietnam is already making concessions to get lower tariffs.

 

The important thing in that copy and paste was :

Why would you get angry at the person who is reacting to the asymmetrical tariff and not the people who inaugurated the tariff?

[SunnyinBangrak]

12 minutes ago, FlorC said:

What is it with these democrates ? Even Nancy Pelosi is calling for tariffs.

Back when tariffs were a good thing? Is it possible tariffs are in fact needed to balance the trade defecit and bring back jobs to the US, but the hiveminds irrational hatred causes them to get hysterical when tariffs are imposed? Like they get hysterical about every single thing 45/47 does?

Either way this is another embarrassment to them having their hypocrisy and lack of logic thrown back at them.

[Dan O]

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

The tariffs ARE good for America.

 

US products will be cheaper and thus will be bought more than foreign products. 

 

Those US companies who manufacture abroad will bring manufacturing back to the US.

 

An economic boom is heading towards the US that will revitalize the US economy.

Sorry but your finance degree from Google expired. I dont think you can renew it without proof of intelligence. You clearly have no idea what your talking about. Im guessing you believe the tariffs are paid by the origin country not the importer 

[TheAppletons]

3 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

77 million voters can't be wrong....

 

  Well, 81 million voters were wrong....that's how Biden was elected.  

 

  So yeah, 77 million voters can be wrong.  And they were.

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

No, again, I'm not political, and see things how they are. I don't take sides, as both sides have problems. Anyone can see what's going on in the world around us, especially if you get more than Thai local news daily.

Of course you're political. If you're not interested in politics, politics is interested in you.