13 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

More underhand tactics, lying tactics by yourself, you can read above the point I was making that Australia was protecting its domestic cattle industry from the powerful competition of the US.

 

Indeed the British government DID find that the BSE outbreak was due to a genetic mutation.

 

 

You can squirm and wriggle all you like: Here is what you wrote:

"You known damn well this is total nonsense. The UK government found BSE was caused by genetic mutation, not any kind of cattle feed."

 

You made that a general statement. Not about a rare variant. Give it up. You got caught. Acknowledge your error gracefully and move on.

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You can squirm and wriggle all you like: Here is what you wrote:

"You known damn well this is total nonsense. The UK government found BSE was caused by genetic mutation, not any kind of cattle feed."

 

You made that a general statement. Not about a rare variant. Give it up. You got caught. Acknowledge your error gracefully and move on.

 

What are you talking about? The British govenment DID find at the time that BSE was caused by a genetic mutation. To this day this is the majority view of good scientists.

 

"” He then reviewed the current majority view that “infectious proteins, prions, cause the disease and that they can come about through spontaneous mutations”.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982200008381

 

Your attempts at misrepresentation and lying are laughable.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

What are you talking about? The British govenment DID find at the time that BSE was caused by a genetic mutation. To this day this is the majority view of good scientists.

 

"” He then reviewed the current majority view that “infectious proteins, prions, cause the disease and that they can come about through spontaneous mutations”.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982200008381

 

Your attempts at misrepresentation and lying are laughable.

Please. this is sad.

What it says is that prions can come about through genetic mutations. It doesn't say that it's the only way or even the primary way of them coming about. Once again. Here's your false sentence;

"You known damn well this is total nonsense. The UK government found BSE was caused by genetic mutation, not any kind of cattle feed."

In fact, the scientists explicit said that BSE can be transmitted by cattle feed:

And here's what the scientist said:

"According to Richt mad cow disease caused by genetic mutations is extremely rare."

In other words, mostly foodborn but genetic causes are possible as well. So it's false that "The UK government found BSE was caused by genetic mutation, not any kind of cattle feed."

 

 

 

As stated elsewhere, I am absolutely thrilled to see that Trump has put a pause on the tariffs, it might be an indication that he was not hellbent on worldwide destruction of the economy, and that he is actually sensible enough to be interested in negotiations.

 

He would have been far wiser to have given the world notice and giving them a 90 or 180 day window to negotiate deals rather than act like a total spastic and levy these tariffs without warning.

 

He still needs to work something out with China, without a China deal all bets are off for America

44 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Please. this is sad.

What it says is that prions can come about through genetic mutations. It doesn't say that it's the only way or even the primary way of them coming about. Once again. Here's your false sentence;

"You known damn well this is total nonsense. The UK government found BSE was caused by genetic mutation, not any kind of cattle feed."

In fact, the scientists explicit said that BSE can be transmitted by cattle feed:

And here's what the scientist said:

"According to Richt mad cow disease caused by genetic mutations is extremely rare."

In other words, mostly foodborn but genetic causes are possible as well. So it's false that "The UK government found BSE was caused by genetic mutation, not any kind of cattle feed."

 

 

 

This is indeed sad. 

 

Because scrapies was caused by feed it was initially assumed that rendered feed could also be the cause of BSE. However, to this day, this was never proven. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for the fact that rendered feed caused BSE. It is merely a theory. What is proven is that BSE can be caused by genetic mutation. Now most scientists focus on the genetic mutation theory of origin, though the feed restrictions are kept in place out of an abundance of caution. However, it is still allowed to feed chickens, pigs, fish etc feed that contains offal and rendered animal protein. So the pigs and chicken you eat are most likely fed with rendered animal protein, yet you don't get BSE. Remember that domestic cats in the UK developed BSE.

 

This is a genetic disease. It may be the case that rendered feed plays a role, and it is sensible to retain the precaution of not using it. However, all the science points to BSE being caused by a genetic mutation and the theory that it was transmitted by renered animal protein feed has NEV ER, EVER, been proven. To this day. In fact DESPTE the ban on rendered feed there are STILL cases of BSE appearing in for instance Canada. How is that possible, if feed was the cause, and it is prohibited now in Canada? Obviously genetic mutation.

 

Educate yourself on the science of BSE here:

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312191360_While_England_Ate_Government_and_the_Risk_of_BSE_1979_-_1996

 

All the latest science points to BSE being caused by genetic mutation.

 

Indeed it is extremely rare, which is why Australia using this as a pretext to hobble its main competitor in the Oz market is so transparently protectionist market distortion. Australia knows it can't compete with US beef.

5 hours ago, LosLobo said:

"No collusion" is a myth. Mueller never evaluated "collusion"—it's not a legal term. He investigated criminal conspiracy and found insufficient evidence to charge, not proof of innocence.
 

Mueller Under oath:
"We did not address 'collusion'... The President was not exculpated."

What he did find:

• A meeting to get dirt "as part of Russia’s support for Trump"

• Internal polling shared with a Russian intel asset

• Repeated lies and cover-ups

• Over ten acts of possible obstruction of justice

Mueller again:
"If we had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

He didn’t—because he couldn’t. So no, Trump wasn’t "cleared." He just skated on technicalities and DOJ policy. Time to retire the fairy tale.

PS: Just like the E. Jean Carroll 'rape' case, both hinge on legal technicalities that differ from plain-language truth, and in both cases Trump claims “total exoneration” where none exists.

https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/
https://www.politico.eu/article/mueller-refutes-trumps-no-collusion-no-obstruction-line/

 

 

So you got nothing.   At some point you need let it go.

 

Jean Carroll was nothing but a he said she said.  

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

This is indeed sad. 

 

Because scrapies was caused by feed it was initially assumed that rendered feed could also be the cause of BSE. However, to this day, this was never proven. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for the fact that rendered feed caused BSE. It is merely a theory. What is proven is that BSE can be caused by genetic mutation. Now most scientists focus on the genetic mutation theory of origin, though the feed restrictions are kept in place out of an abundance of caution. However, it is still allowed to feed chickens, pigs, fish etc feed that contains offal and rendered animal protein. So the pigs and chicken you eat are most likely fed with rendered animal protein, yet you don't get BSE. Remember that domestic cats in the UK developed BSE.

 

This is a genetic disease. It may be the case that rendered feed plays a role, and it is sensible to retain the precaution of not using it. However, all the science points to BSE being caused by a genetic mutation and the theory that it was transmitted by renered animal protein feed has NEV ER, EVER, been proven. To this day. In fact DESPTE the ban on rendered feed there are STILL cases of BSE appearing in for instance Canada. How is that possible, if feed was the cause, and it is prohibited now in Canada? Obviously genetic mutation.

 

Educate yourself on the science of BSE here:

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312191360_While_England_Ate_Government_and_the_Risk_of_BSE_1979_-_1996

 

All the latest science points to BSE being caused by genetic mutation.

 

Indeed it is extremely rare, which is why Australia using this as a pretext to hobble its main competitor in the Oz market is so transparently protectionist market distortion. Australia knows it can't compete with US beef.

More nonsense from you. There is in fact plenty of evidence that BSE was caused by feed. After the government stopped the use of rendered feed, the incidence of BSE collapsed.

The UK implemented the most stringent control measure - excluding animals >30 months old from the human and animal food supplies. It also included a ban on using meat from around the animals' spinal columns since prions affect the nervous system. The programs - along with bans in other countries - have prevented additional BSE outbreaks.

https://www.cdc.gov/mad-cow/php/animal-health/index.html

 

In response to the BSE epidemic, the British Government instituted a series of measures to minimize the risk of disease transmission among both animals and humans. These included a ban on feeding ruminant protein (ruminants are animals, such as cows, sheep and goats) to ruminants (1988), removal of some "high risk" materials (such as brain, spinal cord and intestines) from cattle at slaughter (1989 and 1995), and a ban on cattle over 30 months of age from being used for food (1996). Following institution of these measures, Great Britain has seen a decrease in the number of cattle with BSE from a peak incidence of 36,682 confirmed cases in 1992 to 1044 confirmed in 2002.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/bovine-spongiform-encephalopathy-bse-questions-and-answers