Trump Wants to Remove US Citizens from the US

[NoDisplayName]

54 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

That may be true, but they were scheduled for trial.

 

But the show trials were scheduled for sometime in the far future, well after the waterboardings and the broomstick anal rapings.

[sqwakvfr]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

That may be true, but they were scheduled for trial.

The Mauritanian (Slahi) was never scheduled for trial. He was just interrogated and interrogated for years. He eventually admitted to whatever he was asked of  after enhanced interrogation (some called it torture).  In theory GITMO detainees could be held for as long as the "War on Terror" was being fought.  I guess the US is still at war with Terror. 

[simple1]

5 hours ago, hotsun said:

People not doing anything wrong shouldnt have anything to worry about. Applies everywhere in the world

 

It seems trump is OK with prosecuting people who disagree with him or perceived to insult him - freedom of speech is being attacked by trump. Under international law it is illegal to deport a person from their home country if it makes them Stateless. Deportation can only happen with the agreement of the receiving government.

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

He eventually admitted to whatever he was asked of  after enhanced interrogation (some called it torture).

 

Fun fact:  "enhanced interrogation" is a direct translation of "verschärfte Vernehmung,"

 

What's that?  That was the term used in Heinrich Mueller's (Gestapo) memo laying out the procedures.  Funny thing, Bush also had a memo that made it legal.

 

It's a phrase that appears to have been concocted in 1937, to describe a form of torture that would leave no marks, and hence save the embarrassment pre-war Nazi officials were experiencing as their wounded torture victims ended up in court.

 

Silly Nazis!  Shouldn't hold trials.

[ThreeCardMonte]

22 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Can you cite a specific law that would prevent a US citizen from being removed from the US?

 

I don't think there is one.

 

Whether it has been done before isn't relevant. Trump is doing many things that haven't been done before and he's openly discussing the possibility of removing US citizens from the US.

 

Google is your friend.

 

You’re the one claiming a US citizen can be deported.

And now you’re claiming a U.S. citizen has been deported in the past.  Intentionally..  

 

you have proof of course   Or probably not.

 

Where was this U. S. citizen deported Io?

 

[FlorC]

19 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And Musk got money for rockets that blew up. USAID money was approved by congress and needs to be paid.

Approved by previous congress , not this one.

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

31 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Google is your friend.

 

You’re the one claiming a US citizen can be deported.

And now you’re claiming a U.S. citizen has been deported in the past.  Intentionally..  

 

you have proof of course   Or probably not.

 

Where was this U. S. citizen deported Io?

 

I have searched and can’t find reference to any specific statute preventing a US citizen from being expelled from the US. Can you find one?

 

I haven’t claimed that a US citizen has been deported in the past.  

[ThreeCardMonte]

23 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

A good definition, I think...

MAGA Republicans are people who will withhold food from 1000 people out of fear that 1 person might not deserve it.

Democrats are people who will feed 1000 people out of concern that one person might need it.
I know in which country I'd prefer to live.

MAFCA  -  "Make America Follow the Constitution Again!"

How original?

 

Post of the year.

 

The only problem is the Democrats in their efforts to feed the masses will eventually run out of other people’s money.

 

Republicans will teach the masses how to hunt, fish , farm and gather their OWN food 

 

See the difference?

[FolkGuitar]

7 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

 

The only problem is the Democrats in their efforts to feed the masses will eventually run out of other people’s money.

 

Republicans will teach the masses how to hunt, fish , farm and gather their OWN food 

 

See the difference?

 

Yes, I see. 

I see groups of hunters stalking 5th Avenue where it crosses 42nd St. Lots of  game there. Or perhaps on Hollywood Blvd? Where will you be putting all these farms in NYC, LA, Chicago, Atlanta?  Are you going to fish in the Cuyahoga River? Or is that still on fire from all the pollution?
Where I live, I watch the natives going out in the evenings with home-made crossbows, hunting rats for their food. That's all the fauna that remains in this area. The big stuff has already been eaten.

 

So, where are City-born Repugs going to hunt every day?  Which cities will you burn down to create more farms between NYC and Newark?

 

Just what is the plan? It's been almost 7 years with the same idiot and we still haven't seen one from the White House. No plan at all to help Americans.

[impulse]

19 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

The Mauritanian (Slahi) was never scheduled for trial. He was just interrogated and interrogated for years. He eventually admitted to whatever he was asked of  after enhanced interrogation (some called it torture).  In theory GITMO detainees could be held for as long as the "War on Terror" was being fought.  I guess the US is still at war with Terror. 

 

So what are the options?  Let him go so he can plan another attack to kill thousands of Americans?

 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

Approved by previous congress , not this one.

 

And not revoked by this one.

[ThreeCardMonte]

21 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

Yes, I see. 

I see groups of hunters stalking 5th Avenue where it crosses 42nd St. Lots of  game there. Or perhaps on Hollywood Blvd? Where will you be putting all these farms in NYC, LA, Chicago, Atlanta?  Are you going to fish in the Cuyahoga River? Or is that still on fire from all the pollution?
Where I live, I watch the natives going out in the evenings with home-made crossbows, hunting rats for their food. That's all the fauna that remains in this area. The big stuff has already been eaten.

 

So, where are City-born Repugs going to hunt every day?  Which cities will you burn down to create more farms between NYC and Newark?

 

Just what is the plan? It's been almost 7 years with the same idiot and we still haven't seen one from the White House. No plan at all to help Americans.

Eventually you will run out of other people’s money after giving it to the lazy and non productive.

 

Plenty of jobs for those types in NYC and LA.   But why work when the handouts bought by other people’s money is so generous.

 

[sqwakvfr]

21 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So what are the options?  Let him go so he can plan another attack to kill thousands of Americans?

 

You missed my point. GITMO was not about bringing the detainees to justice. It was about keeping them off the battlefield for as long as possible.  Slahi spent 14 years at GITMO and was never charged.  I guess as Bush said "Mission accomplished".  

[ThreeCardMonte]

1 hour ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

I have searched and can’t find reference to any specific statute preventing a US citizen from being expelled from the US. Can you find one?

 

I haven’t claimed that a US citizen has been deported in the past.  

Try harder.  You’ll find it.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

25 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Try harder.  You’ll find it.

From Google’s AI:

 

“There isn't a specific law that prevents U.S. citizens from being expelled from the country.”

 

[NanLaew]

On 4/11/2025 at 12:27 AM, Yagoda said:

No I despise hypocrisy.

 

Trump talks, the sky is falling.

Barack kills, ho hum.

 

How do you feel about the issue of Obama killing an American citizen? Good thing Trump got him immunity

 

Can you expand on this "Obama killing" premise, please?

 

I don't want to do my own research and run the risk of falking down any right wing rabbit holes.

 

Thanks.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

 

Can you expand on this "Obama killing" premise, please?

 

I don't want to do my own research and run the risk of falking down any right wing rabbit holes.

 

Thanks.

 

i think he's referring to Anwar Awlaki.

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Can you expand on this "Obama killing" premise, please?

 

I don't want to do my own research and run the risk of falking down any right wing rabbit holes.

 

Thanks.

Its not a right wing rabbit hole, its a philosphical and legal issue tied up with the issue of Presidential Immunity that all Americans are familiar with.

[NanLaew]

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Its not a right wing rabbit hole, its a philosphical and legal issue tied up with the issue of Presidential Immunity that all Americans are familiar with.

 

At the risk of appearing pedantic, is it something that's only for the purview of Americans that makes you speak of this so circuitously?

[NanLaew]

52 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

i think he's referring to Anwar Awlaki.

Thanks 

 

Googled it.

 

America's existentialist angst is almost as big as their notion of exceptionalism.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, FlorC said:

Approved by previous congress , not this one.

 

Woohooo...dontcha just wish old Trumpy could undo past congressional approvals with a convoluted swipe of his Executive Order Sharpie?

[NanLaew]

21 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

But the show trials were scheduled for sometime in the far future, well after the waterboardings and the broomstick anal rapings.

 

I thought that only the NYPD did that to detainees?

[Yagoda]

23 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

At the risk of appearing pedantic, is it something that's only for the purview of Americans that makes you speak of this so circuitously?

No look it up

[NanLaew]

21 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

It seems trump is OK with prosecuting people who disagree with him or perceived to insult him - freedom of speech is being attacked by trump. Under international law it is illegal to deport a person from their home country if it makes them Stateless. Deportation can only happen with the agreement of the receiving government.

 

As a former British Home Secretary Javid discovered in 2019 AFTER stripping Shamima Begum of her birthright British citizenship and passport in absentia, BEFORE Bangladesh's rightful refusal to accept her.

 

Despite legal challenges, she still remains stateless so, be careful what you wish for.

[NanLaew]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No look it up

 

I have. See above.

 

Thanks anyway.

[NoDisplayName]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

So what are the options?  Let him go so he can plan another attack to kill thousands of Americans?

 

 

Slahi was subjected to sleep deprivation, isolation, temperature extremes, beatings and sexual humiliation at Guantánamo. In one documented incident, he was blindfolded and taken out to sea in a boat for a mock execution. Lt. Col Stuart Couch refused to prosecute Slahi in a Military Commission in 2003. He said that "Salahi's incriminating statements—the core of the government's case—had been taken through torture, rendering them inadmissible under U.S. and international law.  (wiki)

 

 

Despite Dick Cheney's protestations, torture is not an effective method of interrogating suspects.  That's one of the first things you learn in henchman vocational training.  It works in the movies, not in real life.  In the real world, torture is done for the gratification of the inquisitor.

 

So what are the options?  Let the witch go so she can turn another innocent farmer into a newt?

 

 

[FlorC]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Woohooo...dontcha just wish old Trumpy could undo past congressional approvals with a convoluted swipe of his Executive Order Sharpie?

Or by autopen 😉

[FolkGuitar]

4 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Eventually you will run out of other people’s money after giving it to the lazy and non productive.

 

Plenty of jobs for those types in NYC and LA.   But why work when the handouts bought by other people’s money is so generous.

 

 

This... spoken by a person who chooses an illegal, crooked card game con as a screen name? I think I see where you're coming from.  🙂

[Walker88]

Let's start with the terrorists who stormed the US Capitol on 6 Jan 2021. They beat 140 cops and set up a gallows to hang the VP.

 

They should have been Babbitized that day.  Instead, the convicted felon pardoned them. Obviously he hates law enforcement and democracy, as he fomented the entire terrorist attack.

 

Actually, let's start with the convicted felon himself, if committing felonies is the excuse.  Bag him and send him to that prison in El Salvador. No due process, just bag and send.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 4/11/2025 at 10:09 AM, ThreeCardMonte said:

Impossible.  Stop hallucinating 

 

What video?  You watching AI generated videos again?

Based on the recent US Supreme Court ruling, it should have been impossible to deport nearly 300 detainees to El Salvador without affording them due process first but the Trump administration just blithely went ahead and did it anyway. 

 

What used to be or what should be impossible is no longer a reliable guide these days.