Why, Oh Why: has the Left turned on Elon? No more gravy-train?

[frank83628]

13 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Elon is an <deleted>  ,does  stupid things that have cost him a lot

of money ,he has wasted millions on Trump , and now Trump

seems finished with him ,that happens to a lot of people connected

to Trump, Elon now has to go back to his companies and see if he

can sort things out , from loved by the left to hated by all ,silly man.

 

regards worgeordie 

Loved by the left to hated by the left .. not by all. The left will viciously turn on anyone that doesn't agree with them

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Loved by the left to hated by the left .. not by all. The left will viciously turn on anyone that doesn't agree with them

 

Fickle is the word.

 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Loved by the left to hated by the left .. not by all. The left will viciously turn on anyone that doesn't agree with them

Very nasty two faced people.

[jas007]

50 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There's no question that this guy is somewhere on the spectrum, as he does seem to be quite a misfit. It is the cruelness he exhibits that is most alarming, and most peculiar. He seems to have a certain level of glee in regard to destroying careers and putting people out of work, and that's just downright vicious and nasty. As he's gotten more wealthy, he seems to have gotten more out of touch with humanity, and he seems to have become a lesser man. 

As I've said, you have to take it all with a grain of salt, so to speak.  If he seems weird, or aloof, or cruel, or nasty, or whatever else you might think, maybe he's just not aware. Maybe he doesn't really mean to come across that way.  

 

Anyway, I look at his accomplishments and judge him by those.  Everything else deserves a bit of understanding, I think.  

[candide]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Loved by the left to hated by the left .. not by all. The left will viciously turn on anyone that doesn't agree with them

Hated by the right when he was Democrat leaning, and now loved by the right!

 

What a bunch of very nasty two faced people! 

[GammaGlobulin]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

Hated by the right when he was Democrat leaning, and now loved by the right!

 

What a bunch of very nasty two faced people! 

 

And yet....

Musk remains the same, goodhearted, old genius he always was.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

4 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

 

 

 

Chomsky loves Amy.

Me, too....!!!

 

She's a nice girl, from Harvard.  (Sorry. I meant Radcliffe...).

(Sorry, I meant Harvard.)

 

 

(Thanks for posting this Democracy Now! thingy....)

 

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There's a way of judging the validity of a hypotheses known as Occam's Razor. Basically it says the simplest explanation is the best one. Musk has spouted and endorsed all kinds of right wing lies. He is now trashing what leftists consider vital government functions. Why isn't that enough to make them the opposite of fans?

[FriscoKid]

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

My God, how much energy have you put into your ramblings in this thread?

 

You guys are tenacious, aren't you?

 

And apparently have not much else to do except bark on the internet. 

 

You are consistently a waste of space. 

[FriscoKid]

6 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Frisco Kid's posts on this thread are well-written and his descriptions have the precision of laser guided munitions. Your lazy attempt to dismiss the truth of what he said only serves to remind readers of your intellectually dishonest and shallow critiques of anything that doesn't fit your narrative.

 

Thank you. In general, his posts are nothing short of idiotic, an insult to general intelligence, even to those of a low IQ, and we all know that. Of course, he’s free to post whatever nonsense he wants, just as others are free to read, respond, or ignore it entirely. Personally, I ignore most of what he writes, don’t even click on the topics, and only occasionally do I bite back, like on an outright troll topic like this, but I don’t think I’ve ever made it through one of his original posts from start to finish with any determination, including this one. It’s all an insult to basic intelligence and risks you questioning your own sanity for ever reading one, so I never do.

 

In fact, Bob Smith posted a couple of topics yesterday that were locked immediately by the moderators for being “nonsense and contributing nothing to the community.” I think it was a positive step forward and the same could easily be said for most of GG’s posts.

 

My real issue starts when he ventures into spreading misinformation and disinformation, especially when it concerns controversial figures in power, politics, or economic issues, things that affect other people’s lives in general. Some of his missteps may be due to his half-baked misunderstandings of the world, but at this point, it feels much more intentional from him, designed to disrupt rational discussion and provoke chaos.

 

I used to feel sorry for him, considering his obvious mental health issues, but once he starts crossing into conspiracy theories, outright lies, and dangerous rhetoric, the sympathy ends. He’s not a good person. He doesn’t care about truth, people, or meaningful dialogue, as exemplified by the fact that most of his responses to others here are off-topic, mind-numbing, tangential drivel. Many of his posts also reek of racism, misogyny, white privilege, and even have fascist undertones.

 

Frankly, when he leans into those areas, moderators should shut it down on sight. It violates the spirit, if not the letter, of any reasonable community standard.

 

More people should call him out the way I have, not indulge him, not engage seriously, and definitely not reward him with validation. He thrives on attention, positive or negative. Even abuse gives him a twisted sense of gratification. The worst thing you can do to someone like that is to deny them the illusion of relevance.

 

He should be constantly reminded that we see through the act. The misunderstood, whimsical persona is just a cover for a dangerous, serial troll. He’s a lonely, bitter hermit who suffers from feeling irrelevant, desperate for gratification and acceptance, but with a passive aggressive streak and toxic intentions.

 

If people must respond, they should only do so to point out how unhinged and out of touch he really is, without offering him any of the human connection he so desperately craves. Any feedback, any acknowledgment, just fuels the fire. He deserves only cold indifference, and he should be made aware of that every single time.

 

It is a sad situation how insufferably detestable he has become in his quest for self-pleasuring, but I think one that is now increasingly clear to anyone reading this topic and any of his others.

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[Gecko123]

I can appreciate and fully accept that people have different political views. But when someone who has repeatedly made clear that they see themselves as above average intellectually and well read, chooses to turn a blind eye to the cruelty, autocratic bent, and wanton racism of Trump's incompetent and chaotic administration, and blithely ignores the dangers to our democracy he presents as if he were Eliza Doolittle blithely picking out a new parasol or lace handkerchief in a sundry shop: (1) it completely undercuts any pretensions they might have about being an intellectual heavy weight, and, (2) tells me they lack the intellectual gravitas and historical perspective to recognize the brainwashing indoctrination of the right-wing media sphere. Well sensitized to the supposed dangers of wokeism, DEI programs run amuck, welfare fraud, and transgenders reading books to impressionable children in public libraries, people like this ignore the true danger of encroaching fascism, and the downside of trying to turn back the clock and denying that America is at its essence is a multi-cultural and multiracial society. It saddens me, but more importantly, it angers me. Look, for example, at his response to my post sharing the Democracy Now piece on Elon Musk's families South African apartheid and neo-Nazi past which raised serious questions about his ideological upbringing.  Saying  "'thanks for sending that Democracy Now 'thingy'" does not strike me as a serious response from someone who started a thread "why, oh why, has the left turned on Elon?" and seriously wants to explore answers to the question he posed.

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9 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Loved by the left to hated by the left .. not by all. The left will viciously turn on anyone that doesn't agree with them

Whereas Trumpists have been so kind and tolerant of Republicans who disagree with them. When they call someone a RINO, they mean it in an affectionate way.

[GammaGlobulin]

5 hours ago, FriscoKid said:

My real issue starts when he ventures into spreading misinformation and disinformation,

 

What, concerning the informative vid from Jordan Peterson, which I linked in the original Topic, did you believe to be misinformation.

I would consider it very accurate and insightful.

 

You may not agree with JP, but this does not, in any way, mean that it is misinformation.

 

[EVENKEEL]

12 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Isn't it super obvious. Make sensible cuts looking at programs that are not needed or marginal - and being smart about which staff are cut and which left behind - no worries. Make poorly thought out wide ranging cuts in an arrogant smart alec way like you want to be seen as a hero rather than actually doing good things and people push back.

Signed

A Public Servant

Why weren't these same people angry at the unnecessary NGO programs previously? Does it really matter that Musk is arrogant ?

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

What, concerning the informative vid from Jordan Peterson, which I linked in the original Topic, did you believe to be misinformation.

I would consider it very accurate and insightful.

 

You may not agree with JP, but this does not, in any way, mean that it is misinformation.

 

 

FriscoKid is a troll, and like several others who are into the political threads.

I suggest you put him on ignore.

 

Others are not trolls, but politics is like religion. Once people take sides, they become narrow-minded bigots. People become like religious zealots and not able to look at any facts objectively. 

 

I only watched the first couple of minutes of the Jordan Peterson video. He seems accurate in saying govts waste a lot of money and also accurate in suggesting that Musk is good for the job because he's a highly successful engineer. You need to be smart to be an engineer and pay attention to details.

 

 

[candide]

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

FriscoKid is a troll, and like several others who are into the political threads.

I suggest you put him on ignore.

 

Others are not trolls, but politics is like religion. Once people take sides, they become narrow-minded bigots. People become like religious zealots and not able to look at any facts objectively. 

 

I only watched the first couple of minutes of the Jordan Peterson video. He seems accurate in saying govts waste a lot of money and also accurate in suggesting that Musk is good for the job because he's a highly successful engineer. You need to be smart to be an engineer and pay attention to details.

 

 

Projecting much! 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

38 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why weren't these same people angry at the unnecessary NGO programs previously? Does it really matter that Musk is arrogant ?

To your original point I think you are right that if he was arrogant but seen to be doing  a good job people would have cut him some slack. Similar with Trump.

The public  probably would have been and would continue to be supportive if individually programs are identified and seen to be wasteful or indulgent.

At first it seemed a lot of good could come from this but I think everything from the type of people making the cuts and their concerning access to private information, the manner in which the cuts were made across departments  i.e. so fast without reasonable due consideration of the cost and benefits, the indiscriminate way of cutting staff - who knows what good experience and knowledge lost, the examples of poor decisions e.g. sacking and having to rehire, the findings of misrepresentations of successes followed by the hiding of such background information by DOGE,  services cut, so his arrogance on top of that pushed opinion firmly against him.

Then there is the human element. That arrogance does not sit well when real people, hard working and smart staff believe it or not, are treated so poorly. 

 

[FriscoKid]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

FriscoKid is a troll, and like several others who are into the political threads.

I suggest you put him on ignore.

 

Others are not trolls, but politics is like religion. Once people take sides, they become narrow-minded bigots. People become like religious zealots and not able to look at any facts objectively. 

I take everything you wrote as a compliment and if you put me on ignore, I would greatly appreciate it. Meanwhile, all of it is kettle black innit. 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, FriscoKid said:

if you put me on ignore, I would greatly appreciate it.

I'd rather respond to your posts when I feel inclined and comment about you than put you on ignore. 

[FriscoKid]

Just now, save the frogs said:

I'd rather respond to your posts when I feel inclined and comment about you than put you on ignore. 

Understood. What a pity. My loss, isn't it. 

[Elkski]

I was an Elon fan because of space x and also his boring machine ideas since I have a background and education in mining.   I changed my opinions on how he handled the twitter purchase.   He acted like a rich brash child.  Then my administration turned to full contempt when I reinstated trump's acct.  But blocked the smart kid who tracked his planes miliage.   He has made twitter his personal platform and has outdid Murdock in the disinformation.   Then cake his election support for trump, his election bribery, his Nazi salute, his support for the Nazi party in Germany.  I had been following the government scrutiny of his self driving cars and exploding starships and it's obvious why he paid trump 230 million.  So he can get rid of government oversite.    He chose the wrong method using optics rather than lidar but won't admit it.  

 

Only thing we have in common now.  

[liddelljohn]

Musk is falling out of favour  with everyone ,investors,banks , politicians , media  and any sane person  now that he has been outed as a serial abuser of women   , also his  nazi doom laden insults ,, the statements he has made that  support eugenics and mass extermination of  people  less  than his opinions ...The Guy is a lunatic  and very dangerous,,,,,,

[frank83628]

On 4/17/2025 at 10:57 AM, candide said:

Hated by the right when he was Democrat leaning, and now loved by the right!

 

What a bunch of very nasty two faced people! 

He wasn't hated by the right at all, he was a normal thinking democrat. Its only since Trump, that the left have become extremists, and out of touch with realitiy. Pushing the DEI and gender nonsense & open borders.

I Blame Hillary Clinton and the MSM for causing all uglyness we see and hear today.

[frank83628]

14 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

Musk is falling out of favour  with everyone ,investors,banks , politicians , media  and any sane person  now that he has been outed as a serial abuser of women   , also his  nazi doom laden insults ,, the statements he has made that  support eugenics and mass extermination of  people  less  than his opinions ...The Guy is a lunatic  and very dangerous,,,,,,

Haha, you sound like a proper brainwahsed msm'er

[liddelljohn]

8 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Haha, you sound like a proper brainwahsed msm'er

No pal I dont watch MSM its lefty <deleted>e  , just as fox is nazi trump arselicking for idiots ,,      and you should learn to spell ....  dont be a moron ...look at the world with open eyes and ears ,   use your own brain to think    , and get your information from   multiple sources    not just the extremes ,, 

[save the frogs]

On 4/17/2025 at 11:07 AM, liddelljohn said:

Musk is falling out of favour  with everyone ,investors,banks , politicians , media  and any sane person  now that he has been outed as a serial abuser of women   , also his  nazi doom laden insults ,, the statements he has made that  support eugenics and mass extermination of  people  less  than his opinions ...The Guy is a lunatic  and very dangerous,,,,,,

where did you get that info from? 

the back of a cereal box?

 

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, liddelljohn said:

No pal I dont watch MSM its lefty <deleted>e  , just as fox is nazi trump arselicking for idiots ,,      and you should learn to spell ....  dont be a moron ...look at the world with open eyes and ears ,   use your own brain to think    , and get your information from   multiple sources    not just the extremes ,, 

I can spell perfectly well thanks. I use my brain and use multiple sources, that's why I knew about the minreals in Ukraine and that most here just read MSM BS.

[liddelljohn]

14 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I can spell perfectly well thanks. I use my brain and use multiple sources, that's why I knew about the minreals in Ukraine and that most here just read MSM BS.

You cant spell MINERALS

What do you read  ???   FOX.. CNN   BBC <deleted>e    so USA now wants to steal Ukraine's rare earth minerals   and not help them defeat a murdering tyrant,,, 

 Wow  you really dont understand  history  ,, Appeasement is what let Hitler  Steal Czeckoslovakia  in 1938, and Austria in 1938  and then he thought he might as well grab Poland .... Putin thinks the same ,,  Ukraine  is an older nation than Russia ,,, Kievan Rus Vikings founded  Moscow     .....

 

I hope you are in Thailand as USA is going to hell     you are safer there unless the Chinese invade ,,,,

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, liddelljohn said:

I hope you are in Thailand as USA is going to hell

 

Yes.

 

[Keep Right]

The left wing socialist Democrats just hate it when government waste is stopped and someone actually exposes this waste. So now the left wing socialist Democrats are roasting their at one time Guru of the green. This is so funny to watch as the left melts down.