1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

we're told evolution is linear.

No, we're not – explain that comment! Are you trying to suggest that Egyptians were less evolved than we are today? - Egyptians were not less evolved than modern humans; they were fully modern humans with complex societies and sophisticated technologies

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

No we're not - explain that comment!

what are you talking about?

darwin's theory is we developed from apes.

there are remnants of ancient civilizations with advanced technologies.

Humans did not evolve from modern chimpanzees or gorillas; we share a common ancestor that was neither fully human nor a modern ape

On 1/2/2026 at 4:18 PM, rattlesnake said:

the USSR/Russia were, for all intents and purposes, under US control and much of the 'Cold War' opposition was staged. The Bolshevik Revolution was funded by Wall Street

I think you must be the ranting person I couldn't help but overhear one day in a restaurant. He was harranguing his whole table (mostly Thais) with an amazing litany of classic conspiracy theories. Rothschilds, Soros, Oswald, Ruby, Oklahoma City, WEF, holocaust denial, chemtrails.... I lost track.. they guy was an encyclopedia of extreme nonsense. At least now you know you have a potential soulmate/wingman out there.

6 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

I think you must be the ranting person I couldn't help but overhear one day in a restaurant. He was harranguing his whole table (mostly Thais) with an amazing litany of classic conspiracy theories. Rothschilds, Soros, Oswald, Ruby, Oklahoma City, WEF, holocaust denial, chemtrails.... I lost track.. they guy was an encyclopedia of extreme nonsense. At least now you know you have a potential soulmate/wingman out there.

I have a couple like that near me, absolute fruitcakes...😬

5 hours ago, kwilco said:

so many conspiracy theorists

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

the ranting person I couldn't help but overhear one day in a restaurant

1 hour ago, transam said:

I have a couple like that near me

We have infiltrated every layer of society.

On 12/28/2025 at 9:47 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

I've heard about gravity. But. if we were upside down, would it still work?  And would we not be aware that we were upside down?

We're never upside down, that's the beauty of it, Stiddle. It's called 'Science'. Water sticks to a spinning ball and if you challenge it then you are crazy.

18 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

We have infiltrated every layer of society.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. Probably auto correct substituted infiltrate for irritate.

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

We're never upside down, that's the beauty of it, Stiddle. It's called 'Science'. Water sticks to a spinning ball and if you challenge it then you are crazy.

the water simply revolves around the same spot as the land ... no sticky stuff required.

If there's no gravity, why do you feel pressure on your butt while you sit and scour the internet for nonsense?

1 hour ago, transam said:

I have a couple like that near me, absolute fruitcakes...😬

And the only one close to me in my area, and his new friends as well, ranting about big conspiracies and immigration, so F. It, I can manage without to much socializing,

However, farangs comes and goes in my area, so one like minded have to show up sooner or later :D

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

the water simply revolves around the same spot as the land ... no sticky stuff required.

If there's no gravity, why do you feel pressure on your butt while you sit and scour the internet for nonsense?

Did you know that Newton was obsessed with black magic, alchemy and occult matters? This inconvenient fact was hidden during his life and times, and certainly nuances the notion of “rational science superseding irrational belief”.

According to David Wardlaw Scott, Newton confessed that the explanation of the moon's action on the tides did not fit well with his theory of gravitation, which asserts that the larger object attracts the smaller (but the official mass of the Moon is only one-eighth of that of the Earth).

Anyway, here is a question for you: why do bubbles go up in water?

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

Did you know that Newton was obsessed with black magic, alchemy and occult matters? This inconvenient fact was hidden during his life and times, and certainly nuances the notion of “rational science superseding irrational belief”.

According to David Wardlaw Scott, Newton confessed that the explanation of the moon's action on the tides did not fit well with his theory of gravitation, which asserts that the larger object attracts the smaller (but the official mass of the Moon is only one-eighth of that of the Earth).

Anyway, here is a question for you: why do bubbles go up in water?

Water being denser than gas

Why you float while having air in your lungs? You are more boyant than the water

18 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Water being denser than gas

Why you float while having air in your lungs? You are more boyant than the water

Indeed. Density explains why some objects go up… and it also explains why some objects go down. Newton’s apple went down because it was heavier than the air around it.

The flaw in the theory of gravity is that it only explains top-down motion, and must switch to density to explain bottom-up. The law of density explains both top-down and bottom-up.

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Indeed. Density explains why some objects go up… and it also explains why some objects go down. Newton’s apple went down because it was heavier than the air around it.

The flaw in the theory of gravity is that it only explains top-down motion, and must switch to density to explain bottom-up. The law of density explains both top-down and bottom-up.

Well, never mind

This popped up in my feed just before I came back here

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ADvgRk4vW/

Just asked my wife if she thinks the earth is round or flat? Guess what she answered?

However, it is okay, people think they communicate with Jesus and god, and we are thought fairytales since we are kids, and people believe in storytellers. So what can possibly go wrong?

Let's see?

I got it, they elect Donald Trump, and believe his stories and lies

44 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Well, never mind

This popped up in my feed just before I came back here

Just asked my wife if she thinks the earth is round or flat? Guess what she answered?

However, it is okay, people think they communicate with Jesus and god, and we are thought fairytales since we are kids, and people believe in storytellers. So what can possibly go wrong?

Let's see?

I got it, they elect Donald Trump, and believe his stories and lies

Well, that's certainly a convoluted way to say you don't disagree… 😃

Keep it up, everyone's input is meaningful (even gamb00ler's).

10 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Well, that's certainly a convoluted way to say you don't disagree… 😃

Keep it up, everyone's input is meaningful (even gamb00ler's).

My wife believe earth is round, so even the world is not perfect, my wife is 😎

The irony of flat-Earth and conspiracy movements is that they rely on the internet to spread ideas that reject the very science that makes the internet possible. Global networks, satellites, fibre optics, radiophysics, and computer science—products of the rigorous scientific method—are used to argue against established scientific realities like a spherical Earth. In effect, they trust science enough to tweet, stream, and upload, but not enough to accept the conclusions that same science has repeatedly demonstrated.

Lest we forget the original topic behind all the deflection – we now know who is a conspiracy theorist of this forum – so what do we do about them?

Some say, "Sure, you’re entitled to your opinion—but without reason, logic and evidence, it’s not an opinion; it's just noise."

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Did you know that Newton was obsessed with black magic, alchemy and occult matters? This inconvenient fact was hidden during his life and times

Since pretty much everything you post about science is wrong.... I ignore what you write about everything... .except when I know for a fact that it is a lie... All I know for certain is that Newton was a mere human and as such couldn't and didn't know everything.

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

The flaw in the theory of gravity is that it only explains top-down motion, and must switch to density to explain bottom-up. The law of density explains both top-down and bottom-up.

LOL. I have to say you're below zero on physics and math knowledge. So far you have yet to post anything accurate about those subjects.

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

Just asked my wife if she thinks the earth is round or flat?

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

My wife believe earth is round

Must have been a stressful couple of seconds while you waited for her answer. Imagine if she had said the unthinkable…

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Indeed. Density explains why some objects go up… and it also explains why some objects go down. Newton’s apple went down because it was heavier than the air around it.

The flaw in the theory of gravity is that it only explains top-down motion, and must switch to density to explain bottom-up. The law of density explains both top-down and bottom-up.

You have no idea!

Gravity attracts from all directions to a centre.

Nothing to do with density, it's to do with mass - I guess you don't know the difference.

3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

You have no idea!

Who, of you and gamb00ler, is going to take the plunge and explain The Knowledge?

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Must have been a stressful couple of seconds while you waited for her answer. Imagine if she had said the unthinkable…

Not really, she is quite decent and also equipped with common sense.

But Im all up for the potentially truth might be we are just numbers in a game of simulations

Still there is no evidence that can prove either way

While the idea that we are part of a game-like simulation is a popular philosophical concept, scientific and mathematical research in 2025 has increasingly challenged its feasibility

. 

Scientific and Mathematical Counterarguments

• The "Uncomputable" Universe: Research published in November 2025 by physicists at the University of British Columbia Okanagan uses Gödel's incompleteness theorem to argue that reality requires "non-algorithmic understanding". They conclude that the universe's fundamental laws cannot be fully described or replicated by any computation or simulation.

• Astrophysical Constraints: Studies from April 2025 suggest the energy required to simulate the entire visible universe—or even just Earth at high resolution—would be "astronomically large" and incompatible with known physics.

• Quantum Complexity: Some physicists argue that the randomness and uncertainty of quantum mechanics differ fundamentally from the deterministic nature of computer algorithms. 

Philosophical and Statistical Arguments

Despite scientific skepticism, the "Simulation Argument" remains a significant topic of debate:

• The Trilemma: Originally proposed by Nick Bostrom, this argument suggests that if advanced civilizations can and do create conscious simulations, then the number of simulated beings would far outnumber "real" ones, making it statistically likely we are simulated.

• Probability Estimates: Current statistical models, such as those by astronomer David Kipping, place the odds of us living in "base reality" at roughly 50.2%, with a 49.8%chance we are in a simulation.

• "Glitch" Hunting: Some researchers continue to look for "artifacts" or "resolution limits" in the fabric of space-time, such as a "computational phase transition" in quantum experiments, which might reveal an underlying digital grid. 

Implications for "Game" Reality

If reality were a simulation, it would raise questions about human agency. Philosophers debate whether we would be "Players" (with external consciousness) or "NPCs" (non-player characters running on autopilot). Some suggest this perspective is liberating, offering a way to make sense of the world's complexity. 

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

Who, of you and gamb00ler, is going to take the plunge and explain The Knowledge?

"The Knowledge?" - would be some mystical solution sought by conspiracy theorists – science is the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained. Totally absent from conspiracy theories.

4 hours ago, kwilco said:

The irony of flat-Earth and conspiracy movements is that they rely on the internet to spread ideas that reject the very science that makes the internet possible. Global networks, satellites, fibre optics, radiophysics, and computer science—products of the rigorous scientific method—are used to argue against established scientific realities like a spherical Earth. In effect, they trust science enough to tweet, stream, and upload, but not enough to accept the conclusions that same science has repeatedly demonstrated.

False equivalence fallacy: according to your rationale, as geological movements can be explained by science, rejecting one interpretation of said movements equates to rejecting science as a concept, because other fields such as information technology can also be explained by science.

4 hours ago, kwilco said:

used to argue against established scientific realities like a spherical Earth.

You are showing your ignorance of the topic. Heliocentrism is essentially a resurrected pagan belief, imposed by the Roman Catholic Church and the Jesuits to counter Luther's Reformation. If you don't know what I am talking about, look it up and educate yourself on it.

Copernicus loved the pagan god-like figure Trismegistus and the pagan Greek philosopher Aristarchus, who are central figures of Hermeticism, the Sun-centered ideology which, according to Wikipedia itself, has "been a crucial factor in the development of modern science".

Copernicus made the below statement. Does that sound more religious or scientific to you?

In the middle of all, however, resides the sun. For in this most beautiful temple, who would place this lamp in any other or better place than this, from where it can illuminate the whole universe all at once? Not unjustly, then, some call the sun the lamp of the cosmos, others its mind and others still its governor. Trismegistus calls it a visible god.

27 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Not really, she is quite decent and also equipped with common sense.

I was, of course, joking. Those are good qualities to have, good for her (and you).

ah...I see!

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

Not really, she is quite decent and also equipped with common sense.

But Im all up for the potentially truth might be we are just numbers in a game of simulations

Still there is no evidence that can prove either way

While the idea that we are part of a game-like simulation is a popular philosophical concept, scientific and mathematical research in 2025 has increasingly challenged its feasibility

. 

Scientific and Mathematical Counterarguments

• The "Uncomputable" Universe: Research published in November 2025 by physicists at the University of British Columbia Okanagan uses Gödel's incompleteness theorem to argue that reality requires "non-algorithmic understanding". They conclude that the universe's fundamental laws cannot be fully described or replicated by any computation or simulation.

• Astrophysical Constraints: Studies from April 2025 suggest the energy required to simulate the entire visible universe—or even just Earth at high resolution—would be "astronomically large" and incompatible with known physics.

• Quantum Complexity: Some physicists argue that the randomness and uncertainty of quantum mechanics differ fundamentally from the deterministic nature of computer algorithms. 

Philosophical and Statistical Arguments

Despite scientific skepticism, the "Simulation Argument" remains a significant topic of debate:

• The Trilemma: Originally proposed by Nick Bostrom, this argument suggests that if advanced civilizations can and do create conscious simulations, then the number of simulated beings would far outnumber "real" ones, making it statistically likely we are simulated.

• Probability Estimates: Current statistical models, such as those by astronomer David Kipping, place the odds of us living in "base reality" at roughly 50.2%, with a 49.8%chance we are in a simulation.

• "Glitch" Hunting: Some researchers continue to look for "artifacts" or "resolution limits" in the fabric of space-time, such as a "computational phase transition" in quantum experiments, which might reveal an underlying digital grid. 

Implications for "Game" Reality

If reality were a simulation, it would raise questions about human agency. Philosophers debate whether we would be "Players" (with external consciousness) or "NPCs" (non-player characters running on autopilot). Some suggest this perspective is liberating, offering a way to make sense of the world's complexity. 

Did you write this one yourself, or is it once again a 'copy-paste' without reference to the source. Pretty sure it is the latter...

21 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Did you write this one yourself, or is it once again a 'copy-paste' without reference to the source. Pretty sure it is the latter...

There is little debate on these topics Red. Some members are bereft of ideas, so they resort to 'copy n paste'. Or, fire out one-line insults. Shame really, as some of us want to discuss issues.

There are quite a few of us truthers here on the AN platform, to promote a different way of thinking, and certainly with the great medical topics you are presenting, we might get them to do real research, perhaps, even, change people's minds and save lives.