4 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Which great plague ?

He's talking about the Bubonic Plague that wiped out about half of the European population in the Middle Ages.  

 

Obviously, nothing whatever to do with COVID, but I'm sure he knows that. 

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Obviously, nothing whatever to do with COVID, but I'm sure he knows that.

 

Didn't they have novel,untested,dangerous and ineffective concoctions then too ?   😋   that's about the only link I can think of.

29 minutes ago, jas007 said:

And what does that have to do with COVID?  Just asking for a friend. 

Same story, they probably had the same idiots as we have here to deny the obvious. The only thing is that they didn't have social media, only religion.

1 hour ago, Ben Zioner said:

And how about the Spanish flu? Was is a scam too?

Yep, obviously not the millions that died of i, but the official 'authorized narrative' regarding the Spanish Flu. 

If only we would have had those magical vaccines then, we would have prevented the 50-100 million deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu. 

But the Spanish Flu, didn't originate in Spain, it wasn't a Flu and was most probably caused by an early experimental vaccine given to US troops at Fort Riley in Kansas in 1918, that were then sent to Europe.

Here a summary from a 2018 article aptly titled: Did a Vaccine Experiment on U.S. Soldiers Cause the “Spanish Flu”?

Source: https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/did-a-military-experimental-vaccine-in-1918-kill-50-100-million-people-blamed-as-spanish-flu/

• The reason modern technology has not been able to pinpoint the killer influenza strain from this pandemic is because influenza was not the killer.
• More soldiers died during WWI from disease than from bullets.
• The pandemic was not flu. An estimated 95% (or higher) of the deaths were caused by bacterial pneumonia, not influenza/a virus.
• The pandemic was not Spanish. The first cases of bacterial pneumonia in 1918 trace back to a military base in Fort Riley, Kansas.
• From January 21 – June 4, 1918, an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine cultured in horses by the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York was injected into soldiers at Fort Riley.
• During the remainder of 1918 as those soldiers – often living and traveling under poor sanitary conditions – were sent to Europe to fight, they spread bacteria at every stop between Kansas and the frontline trenches in France.
• One study describes soldiers “with active infections (who) were aerosolizing the bacteria that colonized their noses and throats, while others—often, in the same “breathing spaces”—were profoundly susceptible to invasion of and rapid spread through their lungs by their own or others’ colonizing bacteria.” (1)
• The “Spanish Flu” attacked healthy people in their prime.  Bacterial pneumonia attacks people in their prime. Flu attacks the young, old and immuno-compromised.
• When WW1 ended on November 11, 1918, soldiers returned to their home countries and colonial outposts, spreading the killer bacterial pneumonia worldwide.
• During WW1, the Rockefeller Institute also sent the anti-meningococcic serum to England, France, Belgium, Italy and other countries, helping spread the epidemic worldwide.

232000,dead in the U.K. ,many had no jab for covid

1 hour ago, Ben Zioner said:

So, where is the Science in this thread?...

Precious little that I can see. Or factual analysis. There is even a guy here claiming positive thoughts will stop people from getting sick.

 

News flash: Viruses don't care what one is thinking.

 

Fact: During the pandemic, if you caught COVID, you were 6-7 times more likely to require ICU admission to stay alive, if unvaccinated.

On 4/29/2025 at 1:06 PM, johng said:

Yes just "trust the science"   it became a new religion  any one critical of the accepted narrative is  deemed a heretic and burned at the stake.

 

It's been a tough five years for those dirty vax evaders !

11 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

232000,dead in the U.K. ,many had no jab for covid

Were they healthy?

23 hours ago, johng said:

They saw what happened to anyone going against the narrative...anyone speaking up was  derided, shamed smeared and their licence to practice medicine threatened or removed   so it was keep quiet or you loose your livelihood, only a few dared to risk everything...

 

The doctors..... who almost everyone thinks of as gods......"just following orders" 

 

pfffft !    

5 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

The doctors..... who almost everyone thinks of as gods......"just following orders" 

 

pfffft !    

7 years training is a lot to lose, I'd cave in an instant to protect that.

45 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

232000,dead in the U.K. ,many had no jab for covid

How many had no jab ? 

how many jabs did they need to be qualified as jabbed ?

and how long after being jabbed  before they where counted as jabbed if the died with Covid ?

How many where elderly and already sick ?

how many died "with Covid" as opposed to "from Covid" ?

 

Then how many died from the absurd futile measures to try and stop the spread

ruining the economy, decimating small business's,children's schooling   everyone's mental health with the non stop fear porn  culminating in

"the miracle jab" but alas we now have huge numbers of "unexplainable" excess deaths  turbo cancers etc. 

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

7 years training is a lot to lose, I'd cave in an instant to protect that.

 

easy to understand .    but ,  not everyone takes that path .

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

News flash: Viruses don't care what one is thinking.

 

New flash  having a positive attitude can have very real effects when fighting a disease, being subject to 24/7 fear porn and doom will have the opposite effect.

14 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

The doctors..... who almost everyone thinks of as gods......"just following orders" 

 

pfffft !    

 

There does need to be a reckoning similar to those others who

"were only following zee orders"

1 minute ago, johng said:

 

There does need to be a reckoning similar to those others who

"were only following zee orders"

There were some brave ones ......some nurses,  some in the military,  some in everyday work situations..... those chose to refuse to participate . 

 

you know.... the "crazy ones "

6 minutes ago, rumak said:

There were some brave ones ......some nurses,

I remember the 2 male nurses early on  who did a press conference telling it as it was in their emergency department  and they were "crucified"  by the media.

I saved the clip somewhere  for "posterity"

27 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

7 years training is a lot to lose, I'd cave in an instant to protect that.

 

Often more for "specialists".

 

I know a cardiologist in France. Time spent studying: 10 years… with often a lot of debt accumulated in the process, as banks lend to medical people more easily.

 

By the time these doctors enter the professional realm, they are in their 30s, with high mortgages to pay and a decade of "systemic training" in the brain, which leads them to rely on higher authorities as a compass for their information on what is good or bad, with little to no personal initiative involved. This is usually combined with the social prestige and overconfidence of being "those who know".

 

No system produces 'Good Germans' more effectively than the medical system as it exists today.

35 minutes ago, johng said:

How many had no jab ? 

how many jabs did they need to be qualified as jabbed ?

and how long after being jabbed  before they where counted as jabbed if the died with Covid ?

How many where elderly and already sick ?

how many died "with Covid" as opposed to "from Covid" ?

 

Then how many died from the absurd futile measures to try and stop the spread

ruining the economy, decimating small business's,children's schooling   everyone's mental health with the non stop fear porn  culminating in

"the miracle jab" but alas we now have huge numbers of "unexplainable" excess deaths  turbo cancers etc. 

 

You forgot to ask how many died on a ventilator, which appeared to be deadlier than Covid itself.  Of course, we'll probably never know.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Precious little that I can see. Or factual analysis. There is even a guy here claiming positive thoughts will stop people from getting sick.

 

News flash: Viruses don't care what one is thinking.

 

Fact: During the pandemic, if you caught COVID, you were 6-7 times more likely to require ICU admission to stay alive, if unvaccinated.

I think you miss the point about who "caught COVID."  How did they know? By way of a phony PCR test?  

 

As for the people "requiring" ICU admission?  Sick people, usually old, usually with multiple medical problems, and usually deficient in Vitamin D. And they were very sick. That's all we can say. Test any of them with a phony PCR test and they're likely to test "positive."  The healthy people? They didn't show up in the emergency room in the first place.  The whole vaccinated/unvaccinated thing is a red herring.  Without a valid way to test who is who, no one really knows, other than sick people showed up at the hospital, sometimes after having been turned away earlier when their condition was not yet "serious."  

 

"Trust the science." 

 

Some people believe "the Science" belongs in jail. 

8 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I think you miss the point about who "caught COVID."  How did they know? By way of a phony PCR test?  

 

As for the people "requiring" ICU admission?  Sick people, usually old, usually with multiple medical problems, and usually deficient in Vitamin D. And they were very sick. That's all we can say. Test any of them with a phony PCR test and they're likely to test "positive."  The healthy people? They didn't show up in the emergency room in the first place.  The whole vaccinated/unvaccinated thing is a red herring.  Without a valid way to test who is who, no one really knows, other than sick people showed up at the hospital, sometimes after having been turned away earlier when their condition was not yet "serious."  

 

"Trust the science." 

 

Some people believe "the Science" belongs in jail. 

My son had two friends in their thirties who rejected vaccination. Both were healthy, both died of COVID.

 

OTOH, I got a vaccination as soon as I could. I am in the most vulnerable age bracket.

 

Caught COVID twice. Both times, three days of sore throat and runny nose, that's all she wrote.

 

My Thai GF would not get vaccinated. Social media nonsense from Thais just like you. She was really ill for 12 days. 23 years younger than me.

 

"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is". ( Winston Churchill )

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Caught COVID twice. Both times, three days of sore throat and runny nose, that's all she wrote

 

There is no way of knowing if you would have any different symptoms not being jabbed.

Also as pointed out the tests for "Covid" are highly suspect.

40 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Some people believe "the Science" belongs in jail. 

Yes strange how he was given a last minute pardon by the Biden autopen

hopefully they will all be brought to justice eventually.

25 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

My son had two friends in their thirties who rejected vaccination. Both were healthy, both died of COVID.

 

OTOH, I got a vaccination as soon as I could. I am in the most vulnerable age bracket.

 

Let's look at that, shall we?

 

Even if you believe that they died of Covid (and not just with Covid or falsely reported to get the sweet Covid bonus), they were sure unlucky.

 

Total population between 30 and 39 years old:  45 million.  Total Covid related deaths in that age group:  19,700.  That's one in 2,200.

 

 

United States Population by Age - 2025 Update | Neilsberg

 

 

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023| Statista

 

It's even stupider criminal if you look at the teens and younger who had 1,642 deaths out of almost 80 million population, but they were still getting the jab.  In spite of not knowing what the long term effects on them will be.

 

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, johng said:

 

There is no way of knowing if you would have any different symptoms not being jabbed.

Also as pointed out the tests for "Covid" are highly suspect.

I'm afraid there's not much point in arguing with him.  Partly, I think, because for him, the damage has been done. He was jabbed.  So of course, that was the right move!

 

Time will tell.  Some people think that, for the jabbed, their time on this earth is limited, especially if they received a booster shot or multiple booster shots.  "Long COVID," or vaccine damage to the immune system?  

Excess deaths in the civilized world are already through the roof.  Just ask any insurance company executive who will tell you the truth.  It's a disaster. 

1 minute ago, johng said:

Yes strange how he was given a last minute pardon by the Biden autopen

hopefully they will all be brought to justice eventually.

 

Hopefully indeed.

 

 

39 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Often more for "specialists".

 

I know a cardiologist in France. Time spent studying: 10 years… with often a lot of debt accumulated in the process, as banks lend to medical people more easily.

 

By the time these doctors enter the professional realm, they are in their 30s, with high mortgages to pay and a decade of "systemic training" in the brain, which leads them to rely on higher authorities as a compass for their information on what is good or bad, with little to no personal initiative involved. This is usually combined with the social prestige and overconfidence of being "those who know".

 

No system produces 'Good Germans' more effectively than the medical system as it exists today.

 

The captured medical .  The captured media .  The captured politicians .  The captured military and intelligence agencies.  The play or else corporations .   

All slowly but surely tightening like a noose over the populations .  

 

And then the big attack .   Covid 2019 .   Amazingly the onslaught has been slowed down , a slight break in the offensive.    But the conspirators are still free and planning the next drive forward .  Govt's most everywhere still controlled by the evil forces intent on the total takeover.    

 

And still the children sleep....................

Just now, jas007 said:

 Just ask any insurance company executive who will tell you the truth.  It's a disaster. 

 

And the premium increases, along with convoluted messages to explain that they are basically going bust: too many claims. But I am sure a certain tall person in the city of angels will have "fact checks" to explain everything (phew!).

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Let's look at that, shall we?

 

Even if you believe that they died of Covid (and not just with Covid or falsely reported to get the sweet Covid bonus), they were sure unlucky.

 

Total population between 30 and 39 years old:  45 million.  Total Covid related deaths in that age group:  19,700.  That's one in 2,200.

 

 

United States Population by Age - 2025 Update | Neilsberg

 

 

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023| Statista

 

It's even stupider criminal if you look at the teens and younger who had 1,642 deaths out of almost 80 million population, but they were still getting the jab.  In spite of not knowing what the long term effects on them will be.

 

 

 

 

 

And don''t forget, those are phony numbers, no doubt.  Everyone they could possibly classify as dying "from COVID" was so classified.  And, given the questionable testing, they didn't really know anyway.  

 

I was older, I looked at the numbers, and I still took my chances. Better that than to take a jab I knew was trouble.  At least I had a chance. 

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

And the premium increases, along with convoluted messages to explain that they are basically going bust: too many claims. But I am sure a certain tall person in the city of angels will have "fact checks" to explain everything (phew!).

 

ahem...... and one other debate specialist that you have been entertaining us with .🙄

2 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

ahem...... and one other debate specialist that you have been entertaining us with .🙄

 

Looking forward to more AI-aided "debunks"