Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill" Passes The House.

[dinsdale]

Now it's off to the Senate.

[still kicking]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Now it's off to the Senate.

Phone bill?

[Tug]

Another welfare tax for the rich off the backs of the poor,or less services from your taxes cause those poor billionaires need your help…..wonder how much this will add to the debt….last time around he added 23% …..

[blaze master]

24 minutes ago, Tug said:

Another welfare tax for the rich off the backs of the poor,or less services from your taxes cause those poor billionaires need your help…..wonder how much this will add to the debt….last time around he added 23% …..

 

23 percent that's it. Trudeau doubled Canada's in less than 10 years.

[TedG]

40 minutes ago, Tug said:

Another welfare tax for the rich off the backs of the poor,or less services from your taxes cause those poor billionaires need your help…..wonder how much this will add to the debt….last time around he added 23% …..

How is a tax cut welfare? 

 

Remember, lots of the debt was due to COVID. 

[jerrymahoney]

Headline this AM NY Times:

 

Now That House Republicans Took the Plunge, It’s the Senate’s Turn
Senate Republicans say changes are coming for the sprawling domestic policy bill carrying President Trump’s agenda. Their colleagues who took political risks to push it through the House might not like them.

[Tug]

6 hours ago, TedG said:

How is a tax cut welfare? 

 

Remember, lots of the debt was due to COVID. 

It’s whoever reaping the benefits from the tax cut and who’s going to pay for it…..here’s a clue it ain’t the rich folks,it’s a form of welfare for the rich.and hey folks there’s more!!!now every time you buy something you have the privilege of paying an extra 10/25% more!that’s your trump tax!!but wait folks there’s even more!!!you know that airplane bribe well we the taxpayers pay to fix it up so trump when he leaves office can take it!!yup that’s thare sommmeee tax cut!!bottom line don’t be bamboozled by this con man.

[Thailand J]

To impose 3.5% ( or is it 5%) tax on foreign remittance on poor immigrants is just heartless.

US citizens may be exempted.

[John Drake]

Replay of Trump's first administration. Tax cut for billionaires, piling up record debt, and destroying the value of the dollar. "If you seek his monument, look around you."

[candide]

9 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Headline this AM NY Times:

 

Now That House Republicans Took the Plunge, It’s the Senate’s Turn
Senate Republicans say changes are coming for the sprawling domestic policy bill carrying President Trump’s agenda. Their colleagues who took political risks to push it through the House might not like them.

Welfare recipients may also not like it.

 

"[The] House bill is going to add about $4 trillion to the debt ceiling. The Senate bill adds $5 trillion. There's nothing fiscally conservative about expanding the debt ceiling more than we've ever done it before," Republican Sen. Rand Paul said Thursday. "This will be the greatest increase in the debt ceiling ever, and the GOP owns this now … the deficit this year will be $2.2 trillion the GOP owns that now too."

Some Senate Republicans are calling for steeper spending cuts so that raising the debt limit would not be part of this bill.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-likely-change-house-passed-181250084.html

 

[TedG]

15 hours ago, Tug said:

It’s whoever reaping the benefits from the tax cut and who’s going to pay for it…..here’s a clue it ain’t the rich folks,it’s a form of welfare for the rich.and hey folks there’s more!!!now every time you buy something you have the privilege of paying an extra 10/25% more!that’s your trump tax!!but wait folks there’s even more!!!you know that airplane bribe well we the taxpayers pay to fix it up so trump when he leaves office can take it!!yup that’s thare sommmeee tax cut!!bottom line don’t be bamboozled by this con man.

 

If you pay US taxes you got a tax cut.   You are all over the place with your reply.   

[TedG]

9 hours ago, John Drake said:

Replay of Trump's first administration. Tax cut for billionaires, piling up record debt, and destroying the value of the dollar. "If you seek his monument, look around you."

It’s not a tax cut for billionaires.  Everyone who has earned income had a tax cut.  

[Jingthing]

Will add an additional 2 TRILLION to the debt.

Hilarious how republicans only care about debt when they're not in power.

[Jingthing]

I am very curious about something that was in the house bill.

That they wished it was still secret clause that makes Trump the American KING.

Is it still in the bill passed to the senate?
If so, can the senate be counted on the remove it?

 

'Hidden' Provision in Trump's Big Bill Could Disarm US Supreme Court - Newsweek

www.newsweek.com/hidden-provision-trump-bill-court-2075769

Quote

 

Robert Reich, a former Labor Secretary and a professor of public policy at the University of California Berkeley, wrote in a Substack post that the "hidden" provision "makes Trump King."

He wrote: "No congress and no court could stop him. Even if a future Congress were to try to stop him, it could not do so without the power of the courts to enforce their hearings, investigations, subpoenas, and laws. What can you do? To begin with, call your members of Congress and tell them not to pass Trump's One Big Ugly Bill."

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I am very curious about something that was in the house bill.

That they wished it was still secret clause that makes Trump the American KING.

Is it still in the bill passed to the senate?
If so, can the senate be counted on the remove it?

 

'Hidden' Provision in Trump's Big Bill Could Disarm US Supreme Court - Newsweek

www.newsweek.com/hidden-provision-trump-bill-court-2075769

 

You can read the bill on the house website. 

 

BTW...Robert Reich, is an idiot. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You can read the bill on the house website. 

 

BTW...Robert Reich, is an idiot. 

There is no way I'm reading the bill.

Does anyone know if the make Trump King clause is still in the bill or not?

It may be the most momentous clause in American history IF it's there and passes the senate.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, Jingthing said:

There is no way I'm reading the bill.

Does anyone know if the make Trump King clause is still in the bill or not?

It may be the most momentous clause in American history IF it's there and passes the senate.

So you won't read it. Just a whinger. Get a life.

[Mike_Hunt]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is no way I'm reading the bill.

Does anyone know if the make Trump King clause is still in the bill or not?

It may be the most momentous clause in American history IF it's there and passes the senate.

How is this make Trump a King Clause?   Do you even know what this means? 

 

 

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is no way I'm reading the bill.

Does anyone know if the make Trump King clause is still in the bill or not?

It may be the most momentous clause in American history IF it's there and passes the senate.

 

This is the federal rule referenced in the bill. 

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_65

[MicroB]

 

 

Courts will not receive federal funding to enforce contempt actions. Simply, the President can ignore the Courts. He can ignore Congress. Its the end of Constitutional Law. Of course, he might not ignore the Courts. He might not ignore Congress. He might not arbitrarily arrest opponants and journalists. He might not suspend elections. But he can do all those things.

 

800 years of Magna Carta undone in 4 months.

[Mike_Hunt]

59 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

Courts will not receive federal funding to enforce contempt actions. Simply, the President can ignore the Courts. He can ignore Congress. Its the end of Constitutional Law. Of course, he might not ignore the Courts. He might not ignore Congress. He might not arbitrarily arrest opponants and journalists. He might not suspend elections. But he can do all those things.

 

800 years of Magna Carta undone in 4 months.

Drama queen

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Drama queen

So you don’t care.

Very maga.

[TedG]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Will add an additional 2 TRILLION to the debt.

Hilarious how republicans only care about debt when they're not in power.

 

No one cares about the debt.  

[KhunLA]

So people are commenting on a bill, they won't read, and just following the soundbites on MSM.

 

No wonder the country is in the state that it is.  Best soundbite, commercial wins.

 

You can't fix stupid ... Som nam naa 

[TedG]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

So people are commenting on a bill, they won't read, and just following the soundbites on MSM.

 

No wonder the country is in the state that it is.  Best soundbite, commercial wins.

 

You can't fix stupid ... Som nam naa 

 

I know.  

[scorecard]

On 5/22/2025 at 11:50 PM, TedG said:

How is a tax cut welfare? 

 

Remember, lots of the debt was due to COVID. 

But trump insisted covid was fake.

[TedG]

1 minute ago, scorecard said:

But trump insisted covid was fake.

 

This is one stupid reply. 

 

 

[Quentin Zen]

 It also includes an additional $1,000 fee for people who are filing for asylum in the U.S. 

[jerrymahoney]

From the Newsweek link above:

A spokesperson for the House Ways and Means Committee told CNN that the goal is to stop frivolous lawsuits.

BTW you read the 1118-page House-approved bill here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/text

Also note here:

Ensuring the Enforcement of Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 65(c)
The White House -- March 11, 2025

In recent weeks, activist organizations fueled by hundreds of millions of dollars in donations and sometimes even Government grants have obtained sweeping injunctions far beyond the scope of relief contemplated by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, functionally inserting themselves into the executive policy making process and therefore undermining the democratic process.

This anti-democratic takeover is orchestrated by forum-shopping organizations that repeatedly bring meritless suits, used for fundraising and political grandstanding, without any repercussions when they fail. Taxpayers are forced not only to cover the costs of their antics when funding and hiring decisions are enjoined, but must needlessly wait for Government policies they voted for. Moreover, this situation results in the Department of Justice, the Nation’s chief law enforcement agency, dedicating substantial resources to fighting frivolous suits instead of defending public safety.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/ensuring-the-enforcement-of-federal-rule-of-civil-procedure-65c/

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, scorecard said:

But trump insisted covid was fake.

No. He said it came from China,