Vance ancestry in doubt

[3NUMBAS]

JD Vance's 'Irish' ancestry claim in doubt after experts look into family history

irishstar.com

21 hours ago

The vice president has often claimed to be of "Scotch–Irish" descent but research paid for by Democratic Union Party in the north of Ireland failed to find any link

 

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/jd-vance-irish-heritage-scottish-35284198.amp

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/jd-vance-irish-heritage-scottish-35284198.amp

 

JD Vance's 'Irish' ancestry claim in doubt after experts look into family history

irishstar.com

21 hours ago

The vice president has often claimed to be of "Scotch–Irish" descent but research paid for by Democratic Union Party in the north of Ireland failed to find any link

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1351963-president-jd-vance/#findComment-19824449

 

And its not "Democratic Union Party" but "Democratic Unionist Party". You make them out to be a friendly sort of bunch, not the bible tumping Holy Joes they actually are. And its Northern Ireland, not "north of Ireland". North of Ireland is Dundalk.

 

I'm going with the theory that a great great great grannie slave was banged by the Master. Or he's a Cockney Vance.

 

Either way, increasingly likely , he's a Plastic Hillbilly.

 

 

 

[ronnie50]

14 minutes ago, MicroB said:

https://aseannow.com/topic/1351963-president-jd-vance/#findComment-19824449

 

And its not "Democratic Union Party" but "Democratic Unionist Party". You make them out to be a friendly sort of bunch, not the bible tumping Holy Joes they actually are. And its Northern Ireland, not "north of Ireland". North of Ireland is Dundalk.

Yeah. Very American way of reporting: "north of Ireland" - American political correctness as they can't bring themselves to write 'Northern Ireland' - just like you see them usually refer to the UK as 'Great Britain' - instead of the universally accepted name "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" (UK for short). The DUP is somewhat of a shadow of its former self without "the Reverand" Ian Paisley, no? (Never forget his fiery self - "No Pope here!!")

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

The vice president has often claimed to be of "Scotch–Irish" descent

Typically clueless if he used the term Scotch.

[EVENKEEL]

The Appalachian folks have mainly Scott Irish ancestors.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/jd-vance-irish-heritage-scottish-35284198.amp

 

JD Vance's 'Irish' ancestry claim in doubt after experts look into family history

irishstar.com

21 hours ago

The vice president has often claimed to be of "Scotch–Irish" descent but research paid for by Democratic Union Party in the north of Ireland failed to find any link

I would have expected team woke to be winding their necks in regarding fake heritage after the whole Elizabeth Warren fiasco. But here we are...

[Tug]

Heck I knew he wasn’t human!

[blaze master]

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Heck I knew he wasn’t human!

 

Gee golly Tug you've really outdone yourself this time.

 

Darn tooting.

[hotsun]

As long as hes not jewish what does the left have to complain about

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

Heck I knew he wasn’t human!

 

good call once again.

keep up the good work. 

 

[BLMFem]

17 minutes ago, Tug said:

Heck I knew he wasn’t human!

There definitively is something "Stepfordian" about him.

 

#WhatHappenedToThePope

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Tug said:

Heck I knew he wasn’t human!

Yes an alien species dependent on eye liner.

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, hotsun said:

As long as hes not jewish what does the left have to complain about

You mean the American left that loves Bernie Sanders? 

[Stocky]

44 minutes ago, MicroB said:

And its not "Democratic Union Party" but "Democratic Unionist Party". You make them out to be a friendly sort of bunch, not the bible tumping Holy Joes they actually are. And its Northern Ireland

I recall someone joking about the DUP's manifesto as being like the Old Testament but with regular bin collections.

[blaze master]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You mean the American left that loves Bernie Sanders? 

 

They love him so much that he didnt win. 

 

Spot on.

[gamb00ler]

48 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I would have expected team woke to be winding their necks in regarding fake heritage after the whole Elizabeth Warren fiasco. But here we are...

Ahhhh. the nabob of non sequitur has arrived.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

They love him so much that he didnt win. 

 

Spot on.

Because he was running to be the democratic party nominee while not even being in the party and more people wanted to go center left. The USA is overall a center right country even with fascist Trump in power now, and the democratic party is still dominated by the center left.

[blaze master]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Because he was running to be the democratic party nominee while not even being in the party and more people wanted to go center left. The USA is overall a center right country even with fascist Trump in power now, and the democratic party is still dominated by the center left.

 

Nice walk back.

[Jingthing]

Just now, blaze master said:

 

Nice walk back.

Nothing of the kind.

You're conflating left wing with all democrats.
That is simply untrue.

[Tug]

31 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes an alien species dependent on eye liner.

Yea it’s those beady little eyes sunk deep within those skull holes ….heck it’s known he’s capable of killing on cringe alone!!and has some weird attraction to furniture……so I’ve heard lol 😂 scary stuff!!

[TedG]

The leftie smear machine is doing what they do best.  

[Denim]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Typically clueless if he used the term Scotch.

 

He probably meant Irish Scotch....straight from the bottle.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, TedG said:

The leftie smear machine is doing what they do best.  

The lefty smear machine has nothing on the Trump / Maga insult factory.

[BLMFem]

8 minutes ago, TedG said:

The leftie smear machine is doing what they do best.  

And exactly what is that?

[BLMFem]

1 minute ago, Denim said:

 

He probably meant Irish Scotch.

Jameson?

[Magictoad]

1 hour ago, ronnie50 said:

Yeah. Very American way of reporting: "north of Ireland" - American political correctness as they can't bring themselves to write 'Northern Ireland' - just like you see them usually refer to the UK as 'Great Britain' - instead of the universally accepted name "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" (UK for short). The DUP is somewhat of a shadow of its former self without "the Reverand" Ian Paisley, no? (Never forget his fiery self - "No Pope here!!")

To be honest the United Kingdom is a lie. Never in the history of Britain has the country been so disunited. So a more appropriate name for the country is The Disunited Kingdom

[blaze master]

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Nothing of the kind.

You're conflating left wing with all democrats.
That is simply untrue.

 

You're so misguided. 

[MicroB]

58 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The Appalachian folks have mainly Scott Irish ancestors.

 

Ulster-Scots is the correct term.  This is the curious thing; Ulster-Scots is not the same as being Irish. American politicians like to embrace cultural identities for electoral reasons, and the Irish lobby seems particularly powerful. But being a Hick from West Virginia; thats not going to resonate with a Mick from Boston.

 

Few catholic Irish went to the Appaluchians. The people who settled were descendants of people from the Highland clearances, who moved to "Ulster" (which covers a bit more than the current Northern Ireland), and thence to North America in the 17th and early 18th Centuries. 

 

At the heart of the Troubles in Northern Ireland is the acceptance of the "Irishness" of Protestant folk. The ethnicities in Northern Ireland are murky; you have Irish catholics, you have Irish protestants who are descendants of converts, you have Presbyterian protestants decended from Scots, you have Anglican/Methodist descendants of English/Welsh people. You also have people who claim to be descended from survivors of the Armada (likely not true. There is a fair sprinking of Irish people of mixed race heritage such as the late Phil Lynott).

 

If the Protestants are descended from people thrown off lands in Scotland, then why are they so  pro-British. Well, that's complicated; the first anti-British uprising was in the 18th Century lead by Dublin Protestants, lead by Wolf Tone, who was worried that the British Crown was hatching a plan with the Catholics. The Prods became "Loyalists", but elements will attack the police. Why? Because "Loyalism" is based on Loyalty to Protestantism. As long as the Monarch is true to protestant principles, they will be loyal. The Police are seen as agents of the Crown; if the Police, or Army, do something which is seen as contrary to Protestantism, then there is no such loyalty, cue masked youths lobbing Molotovs on the Ormeau Road.

 

Orange is associated with Tennessee; Go Big Orange is the popular slogan. Officially its the colour of the American Daisy. In reality, Tennesse is the buckle of the protestant bible belt. All those Orange Counties across the US; not named after a fruit, but by residents who at one time offered moral fielty to a Dutchman who came ashore at Carrickfergus.

 

As an Englishman, I lived for 10 years in Northern Ireland. You think, being British, you understood the politics there. Nope. As an Englishman, I was regarded as a neutral; people from both traditions would be at pains to explain their perspectives. Most Protestants were middle of the road; their opposition to unification with Eire was based on the Republic being dirt poor. That feeling certainly softened with EU integration; the economic argument for the UK became less persuasive, and they are pretty pragmatic. The Good Friday Agreement would never have happened post-Brexit. And Brexit has created all sorts of issues people never thought would arise following the GFA.

 

Voting was an experience, with the single transferable vote. I don't recommend it. I felt I was forced to decide which ex-jailbird/cut throat I wanted to be out of prison. A police friend pointed out to me that many terrorist families, particularly from Armagh, would have criminality going back hundreds of years, irrespective of politics.

 

When Mo Robinson was caught with a truck of dead Vietnamese in Essex, he came from a solidly, Red Hand waving Loyalist family, with a boss from a Republican family from Monahagn. When the Queen Mother died, one of her Irish Guard pallbearers was from a Republican family (he used to decorate his bunk with cuttings from the Sein Fein newspaper). He was also the first Irishman and first British soldier, killed entering Iraq in 2003. So the politics are complex and sometimes a mystery.

 

Irish Catholics in the Americas mostly arrived much later, during the Famine, with clusters around the port cities (just like England; my ancestors were dockers from Cork, moved to Liverpool, then London, in the 1850s), and then further West in the new industrial cities.

 

 

[MicroB]

24 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

Never in the history of Britain has the country been so disunited

 

The history of Britain is a lot longer than the United Kingdom, which is a few hundred years.

[MicroB]

30 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Jameson?

 

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