2025 SSA Form 7162 - "Hello, are you dead yet?" forms.

[John Drake]

4 hours ago, Pib said:

Now if the SSA online acct portal does become available "24/7" then that will be an improvement, something new....and I think it is indeed available 24/7 "now" based on some of my recent weekend testing.

 

 

Yea, I'm getting access at times they were closed before. At least that's something. But why can't international addresses upload documents???? If we've gone through the same verification process as everyone else for My Social Security, why not accept our documents?

[3NUMBAS]

There’s an ancient tradition in LOS to keep the dead corpses on ice to preserve the pensions and monthly payments, it’s dread fear of it ending

[Jingthing]

This should not be news to those that have been paying attention.

But here it is.

Under the Trump regime, government agencies which were previously and appropriately NON PARTISAN and about their function to serve the citizens, all citizens regardless of politics, have been aggressively mandated to cow tow to the one big man at the top.

I have some first hand inside information about this.

A report of a young government worker who was DOG-ED out and then reinstated for the explicit purpose of using his writing skills to do communications that were as Trumpian as possible.

I don't know if the guy is a Trumpist or not but it doesn't matter if he's willing to write that kind of propaganda.

This is weird. 
This is un-American.

But this is where we are now.

[amexpat]

Project 2025's goal is to wreck social security so it can be privatized.  Is this really news? 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, amexpat said:

Project 2025's goal is to wreck social security so it can be privatized.  Is this really news? 

It isn't news and it isn't news that Project 2025 agenda is prominent in the Trump regime (Trump himself does very little actual normal presidential work) but those in his cult and also those naive people who try to normalize Trump as just another president have blinders on. 

 

As far as what the Trump regime may or may not be doing to degrade the situation for expats SSA benefit recipients, I personally will reserve my conclusions until more evidence is apparent over time.

This current unpresented delay in the proof of life mailings is certainly and clearly not an encouraging sign for us.

You also don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the well being of Americans who have left the USA can't possibly be a high priority dialogically to maga. Even before the Trump era, it wasn't uncommon for expats to be regarded negatively. Love it or leave it. Remember that from long ago?

 

Yes ironic for retired American expats in Thailand as I reckon the majority of them are either maga or maga sympathizers.

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

It isn't news and it isn't news that Project 2025 agenda is prominent in the Trump regime (Trump himself does very little actual normal presidential work) but those in his cult and also those naive people who try to normalize Trump as just another president have blinders on. 

 

As far as what the Trump regime may or may not be doing to degrade the situation for expats SSA benefit recipients, I personally will reserve my conclusions until more evidence is apparent over time.

This current unpresented delay in the proof of life mailings is certainly and clearly not an encouraging sign for us.

You also don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the well being of Americans who have left the USA can't possibly be a high priority dialogically to maga. Even before the Trump era, it wasn't uncommon for expats to be regarded negatively. Love it or leave it. Remember that from long ago?

 

Yes ironic for retired American expats in Thailand as I reckon the majority of them are either maga or maga sympathizers.

 

Very true, that last sentence. Voting for or supporting Trump is voting to cut your own throat, if you're an expatriate. I know you and others warned for years that Trump would devalue and undermine the dollar. It's what he believes in. Just about every action he takes destroys the value of our SSA. Now, he'll get rid of Powell, drop interest rates to 1 percent, and continue to hide real inflation numbers. He'll turn your $2600 SSA into being worth half that.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

 

Very true, that last sentence. Voting for or supporting Trump is voting to cut your own throat, if you're an expatriate. I know you and others warned for years that Trump would devalue and undermine the dollar. It's what he believes in. Just about every action he takes destroys the value of our SSA. Now, he'll get rid of Powell, drop interest rates to 1 percent, and continue to hide real inflation numbers. He'll turn your $2600 SSA into being worth half that.

Has nothing to do with Trump, per se, as every administration has added to the deficit, which devalues the USD.   As long as they keep printing more money with nothing backing it, it will continued to be worth less and less every year.

 

The Fed and Central Banking system is a separate entity that controls the USD, and simply makes more profit, by devaluing the USD year after year.

 

All a bit of a sad joke for the ignorant US tax payer, who vote in the same people every election, that allow people do just that, screw them a little bit more, every year.

 

Som nam naa

[John Drake]

21 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Has nothing to do with Trump, per se, as every administration has added to the deficit, which devalues the USD.   As long as they keep printing more money with nothing backing it, it will continued to be worth less and less every year.

 

The Fed and Central Banking system is a separate entity that controls the USD, and simply makes more profit, by devaluing the USD year after year.

 

All a bit of a sad joke for the ignorant US tax payer, who vote in the same people every election, that allow people do just that, screw them a little bit more, every year.

 

Som nam naa

 

Under Biden I got 38 baht to the dollar. Today it is 32.40.

[dingdongrb]

For cheese & rice.....can't you old geezers go to another thread and PAM about politics?

 

I thought this thread was about the 7162?????

[connda]

8 minutes ago, dingdongrb said:

For cheese & rice.....can't you old geezers go to another thread and PAM about politics?

 

I thought this thread was about the 7162?????

Looks like it got hijacked.  Considering I started it.  And we're still waiting.

[KhunLA]

58 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Under Biden I got 38 baht to the dollar. Today it is 32.40.

Under Bush 2 I got 40-45, also got 30.  Each administration had 30-35 exchange rate.  Tell yourself what you want, but the president has basically nothing to do with that.

 

Biden started at 30, so pretty hard not to improve, and down to 34 from 38, before Trump sworn in.

[amexpat]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Has nothing to do with Trump, per se, as every administration has added to the deficit, which devalues the USD.

Just google Clinton Deficit.
During Bill Clinton's presidency, the US federal budget shifted from a deficit to a surplus. His administration oversaw the only years between 1970 and 2023 where there were budget surpluses (1998-2001). 

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, amexpat said:

Just google Clinton Deficit.
During Bill Clinton's presidency, the US federal budget shifted from a deficit to a surplus. His administration oversaw the only years between 1970 and 2023 where there were budget surpluses (1998-2001). 

Yea, and his easing of banking regulations for home mortgage led to the economic collapse of 2008.

 

One of the most obviously corrupt political families.   Notice how the Clinton Foundation contributions dried up, as soon as both were out of politics.   Just a wee bit telling ... 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

38 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Yea, and his easing of banking regulations for home mortgage led to the economic collapse of 2008.

 

One of the most obviously corrupt political families.   Notice how the Clinton Foundation contributions dried up, as soon as both were out of politics.   Just a wee bit telling ... 

 

The Graham-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, was a major contributor to the financial crisis of 2008. All three of its sponsors were Republicans.

[MJoe]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It isn't news and it isn't news that Project 2025 agenda is prominent in the Trump regime (Trump himself does very little actual normal presidential work) but those in his cult and also those naive people who try to normalize Trump as just another president have blinders on. 

 

As far as what the Trump regime may or may not be doing to degrade the situation for expats SSA benefit recipients, I personally will reserve my conclusions until more evidence is apparent over time.

This current unpresented delay in the proof of life mailings is certainly and clearly not an encouraging sign for us.

You also don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the well being of Americans who have left the USA can't possibly be a high priority dialogically to maga. Even before the Trump era, it wasn't uncommon for expats to be regarded negatively. Love it or leave it. Remember that from long ago?

 

Yes ironic for retired American expats in Thailand as I reckon the majority of them are either maga or maga sympathizers.

I could write a book on the atrocities to date, but to state just one.  They just cut health care for 17 million citizens (Medicaid combined with ACA cuts), and have faced no ramifications for doing so.

 

We are now in a situation where the 7162s haven’t been sent; there is blatant Trump propaganda being published my the SSA administration itself; the FBU is lying about the “7162s only being sent to random people”.  What more evidence do we need?

 

Please enlightened me (sincerely) as to why there is any reason to believe expats’ SS is not going to be cut. 🙏

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, MJoe said:

I could write a book on the atrocities to date, but to state just one.  They just cut health care for 17 million citizens (Medicaid combined with ACA cuts), and have faced no ramifications for doing so.

 

We are now in a situation where the 7162s haven’t been sent; there is blatant Trump propaganda being published my the SSA administration itself; the FBU is lying about the “7162s only being sent to random people”.  What more evidence do we need?

 

Please enlightened me (sincerely) as to why there is any reason to believe expats’ SS is not going to be cut. 🙏

Impossible to know at this point.

But about your reference to being told that only random people will be sent the 7162s. At this point that seems as if that probably is NOT true. But that is something that definitely needs to be watched by us, the expats effected, as who else is going to care?

[KhunLA]

51 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

The Graham-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, was a major contributor to the financial crisis of 2008. All three of its sponsors were Republicans.

Wasn't making reference to that.  But FHA raising what low income families could borrow, and what little they had to put down, matched by FHA, with lower interest rates and payments, that in the past, they would NOT had qualified for with their income or debt to income ratio.  Also which the couldn't afford, and many defaulted anyway.

 

Those crap mortgages (non performing loans) then got sold to 2nd market, and then dumped into funds without the buyers knowing.  Illegally by the way.  Once word got out, the fund values crashed, and banks & brokers holding were going to crashed with them.  

 

Instead of letting FDIC do what it was set up to do, cover the $250k in accounts, and save the banks, Obama bailed out the stock holders of the banks & brokerages, as they had much more invested, and going to lose than the $250k.

 

The consumer still got screwed, banks got screwed, but stockholders didn't, and the Obamas became multi millionaires.

 

THE AMERICAN DREAM 

[KhunLA]

33 minutes ago, MJoe said:

I could write a book on the atrocities to date, but to state just one.  They just cut health care for 17 million citizens (Medicaid combined with ACA cuts), and have faced no ramifications for doing so.

I think you mean to say ... those no longer qualifying are losing Medicaid.  Like the 'undocumented' illegal aliens, that states were covering.

 

https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/house-republican-bill-would-cut-medicaid-funding-to-states-providing-own-health

[MJoe]

40 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Impossible to know at this point.

But about your reference to being told that only random people will be sent the 7162s. At this point that seems as if that probably is NOT true. But that is something that definitely needs to be watched by us, the expats effected, as who else is going to care?

 

100% agree that “random people will be sent the 7162” is not true.  My point was that the FBU said it in writing, when we know it’s BS.

 

My concern is only aporox 760,000 U.S. citizens receive SSA benefits overseas (only 0.23% of the population) and we (expats) represent only 1.14% of the total number of citizens receiving SS.

 

We are the easiest target to cut, and those numbers don’t look promising that we have any leverage “in numbers” to fight them, if they cut us.  And EXACTLY to your point, who else is going to care?

 

I’d be thrilled if someone can prove me wrong though.

[connda]

16 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

The Graham-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, was a major contributor to the financial crisis of 2008. All three of its sponsors were Republicans.

Deregulation has always been a Republican goal, but pretty much facilitated by both sides of the aisle.  Both should be reimposed, but?  Ain't gonna happen.

[Migz]

Below is the link to the new printable SSA Form 7162 dated Form SSA-7162-OCR-SM (07-2023) in case they never mail the barcoded form this year:

 

https://www.ssa.gov/foreign/ssa7162ocrsm.pdf

 

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Form SSA-7162-OCR-SM (07-2023)

Discontinue Prior Editions Social Security Administration Page 1 of 3

[gargamon]

On 7/19/2025 at 6:32 PM, KhunLA said:

Notice how the Clinton Foundation contributions dried up, as soon as both were out of politics.   Just a wee bit telling ... 

Unlike the Trump one that was shut down due to corruption. 

[Galong]

So, is the government only (potentially) going after those of us who do direct deposits into foreign banks or will they go after and cut the benefits of those who deposit in a US bank, then transfer to Thailand?  The US would barely benefit financially from a payment spending a bit of time in a US bank. 

I'm in the 'wait and see' camp. I think this is just a delay due to ineptitude. 🤞

[KhunLA]

10 minutes ago, Galong said:

So, is the government only (potentially) going after those of us who do direct deposits into foreign banks or will they go after and cut the benefits of those who deposit in a US bank, then transfer to Thailand?  The US would barely benefit financially from a payment spending a bit of time in a US bank. 

I'm in the 'wait and see' camp. I think this is just a delay due to ineptitude. 🤞

NEWSFLASH ... the govt isn't going after anyone, including expats.  Only a paranoid idiot would think that.

 

Of course the IRS might audit you, if you speak out against any current administration.  But Soc Sec computers don't read you internet postings or emails to the WH.

 

Gov't saves money with expats, as not a drain on the system's resource, since living outside the USA.

[bamnutsak]

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USA Social Security Recipients with Thai Address, regarding, SSA Form 7162, this was recently received from fbu(dot)manila:
From:fbu.manila(at)ssa(dot)gov
To: ______
Mon, Jul 14 at 3:32 PM
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Thank you for contacting the Social Security Administration's Federal Benefits Unit at the U.S. Embassy in Manila.
The mailing of the Annual Report Forms (SSA-7162 and SSA-7161) for the year 2025 is delayed. We encourage that you regularly visit Service Around the World - Office of Earnings & International Operations for any announcements and updates regarding the annual reporting requirement.
Contacting the OEI (Baltimore) indicated that the forms were to be mailed this past week.
We shall see.