Are you influenced by non-experts? If so, why?

[Quentin Zen]

 

There's no way in a million years I'll care what someone says about politics if they have no experience.  Same with finance.   Prove you are rich, got rich, etc... before you spout off about money.  Same with health, girls, whatever....  Politics is just the funniest one.   Dudes blah blah blah pontificating about blah blah blah when they spent their entire life shoveling snow and the only politician they have seen is on Netflix.   Same with law.  People acting as if their brain will magically understand everything taught in law school from a few movies and a beer.  

 

Then we have the clowns, who watch the talking heads, see a documentary on YouTube, and are ready to debate Plato.  I think they get worked up and super mad because their brain is actually telling them to be frustrated with the lack of knowledge about a particular subject.   

 

I do feel bad for anyone who wastes their time on politics.  Either actively try to change things, run for office, start a movement, petition, etc... or just forget about it all and go exercise.  

 

Please give us ONE example of how a past comment (preferably a decade old or longer) actually changed the course of history.  hahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahah

 

Of course it's your right.   It's awesome.  Freedom to waste your time doing whatever forever.   That's fine.  Great value to society and your family.  I'm just saying to maybe think about being more efficient with your time.  This post took me three minutes.  I'm done.  People have spent over a decade, hours a day, yelling at Trump from a studio apartment in Hua Hin.  I'm just confused.   I remember seeing rich retirees from Florida back in the 90's do the same thing.  Argue all day, all day.  That's their community.  That's their identity.  That's their life.   Banter is one thing, but these old timers were really getting bad.   What a life.  Wrestle with your friends in your teens and 20's, then grow up.  

 

People comment on political issues for various reasons, even if they aren't experts. Some do it to stay informed about different perspectives, while others find it a way to learn and engage with the issues, even if it's in a way that feels like they are participating in a "deliberative democracy". Commenting can also lead to deeper cognitive elaboration of the content, enhancing political learning. Moreover, social media platforms provide a space for people to express their opinions and understand how others perceive political matters. 

 

Here's a more detailed look:

• Staying informed:

  Social media users who follow political figures they disagree with often cite the desire to stay informed about both sides of an issue as a primary reason for engagement. 

   
• Learning from others:

  Commenting on political content, unlike just "liking," can lead to a deeper understanding and cognitive processing of the topic, resulting in greater political learning. 

   
• Participating in a public discourse:

  Online comment sections can be seen as a way to engage in a more democratic process, allowing citizens to share their opinions and understand the views of others on various issues. 

   
• Expressing opinions and values:

  People comment on political content to share their views, perspectives, and values, which can be seen as a way to participate in the political process. 

   
• Finding a sense of community:

  Online comments can create a sense of community among like-minded individuals who share similar political perspectives. 

   
• Countering misinformation:

  Some individuals comment to clarify facts or address false information that may be circulating online. 

   
• Influencing public opinion:

  While not necessarily expert, commenting can be a way to try to influence the views of others on a particular political issue. 

   

In essence, commenting on political issues, even without expertise, can be a way to be informed, learn, express oneself, participate in public discourse, and potentially influence the opinions of others. 

[Jim Blue]

My wife influences me ......whether I like it or not !

[dinsdale]

Sadly there are very stupid people who believe what they hear. Just need to look toward those that believe MSM.

[fredwiggy]

37 minutes ago, Quentin Zen said:

 

There's no way in a million years I'll care what someone says about politics if they have no experience.  Same with finance.   Prove you are rich, got rich, etc... before you spout off about money.  Same with health, girls, whatever....  Politics is just the funniest one.   Dudes blah blah blah pontificating about blah blah blah when they spent their entire life shoveling snow and the only politician they have seen is on Netflix.   Same with law.  People acting as if their brain will magically understand everything taught in law school from a few movies and a beer.  

 

Then we have the clowns, who watch the talking heads, see a documentary on YouTube, and are ready to debate Plato.  I think they get worked up and super mad because their brain is actually telling them to be frustrated with the lack of knowledge about a particular subject.   

 

I do feel bad for anyone who wastes their time on politics.  Either actively try to change things, run for office, start a movement, petition, etc... or just forget about it all and go exercise.  

 

Please give us ONE example of how a past comment (preferably a decade old or longer) actually changed the course of history.  hahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahah

 

Of course it's your right.   It's awesome.  Freedom to waste your time doing whatever forever.   That's fine.  Great value to society and your family.  I'm just saying to maybe think about being more efficient with your time.  This post took me three minutes.  I'm done.  People have spent over a decade, hours a day, yelling at Trump from a studio apartment in Hua Hin.  I'm just confused.   I remember seeing rich retirees from Florida back in the 90's do the same thing.  Argue all day, all day.  That's their community.  That's their identity.  That's their life.   Banter is one thing, but these old timers were really getting bad.   What a life.  Wrestle with your friends in your teens and 20's, then grow up.  

 

People comment on political issues for various reasons, even if they aren't experts. Some do it to stay informed about different perspectives, while others find it a way to learn and engage with the issues, even if it's in a way that feels like they are participating in a "deliberative democracy". Commenting can also lead to deeper cognitive elaboration of the content, enhancing political learning. Moreover, social media platforms provide a space for people to express their opinions and understand how others perceive political matters. 

 

Here's a more detailed look:

• Staying informed:

  Social media users who follow political figures they disagree with often cite the desire to stay informed about both sides of an issue as a primary reason for engagement. 

   
• Learning from others:

  Commenting on political content, unlike just "liking," can lead to a deeper understanding and cognitive processing of the topic, resulting in greater political learning. 

   
• Participating in a public discourse:

  Online comment sections can be seen as a way to engage in a more democratic process, allowing citizens to share their opinions and understand the views of others on various issues. 

   
• Expressing opinions and values:

  People comment on political content to share their views, perspectives, and values, which can be seen as a way to participate in the political process. 

   
• Finding a sense of community:

  Online comments can create a sense of community among like-minded individuals who share similar political perspectives. 

   
• Countering misinformation:

  Some individuals comment to clarify facts or address false information that may be circulating online. 

   
• Influencing public opinion:

  While not necessarily expert, commenting can be a way to try to influence the views of others on a particular political issue. 

   

In essence, commenting on political issues, even without expertise, can be a way to be informed, learn, express oneself, participate in public discourse, and potentially influence the opinions of others. 

But why did you bother to post this if all you had to do was not get involved in any discussions about politics?

 

You say they're wasting their time, as they can't actually change things, but then you posted the reasonings in black. If enough people get together with the same ideas, they can change things, if they have a leader that can have a voice. That's how all political things start, and how things have been changed over the years.

 

I'm not political, but politics affects me and everyone else, so we have our thinking about who should do what since there are those people in charge of our daily lives. I dislike Trump, but since he's our president, I only hope he does things this time which help the everyday man.

 

You don't have to be an expert on any particular subject to join a discussion on it, because there are people that are very knowledgeable on things you can learn from. Yes, this forum might not reach anyone outside of it, especially about politics, but certain people who are on it might have friends outside of it they talk to, share ideas, and who might be someone in a position to talk to those who can make changes.

 

Every good change that's come about in the world was started by someone with an idea. Others they talked to agreed, who brought others into it, and they took that idea to the rest of the public for voting. Of course all bad things that have happened have started the same way. People influence other people for many reasons.

 

About what you said. There are people, many, who have a lot of money from being it given to them. Would you listen to them or to the people who have actually earned it by working?

 

Some men have girls surrounding them, and many aren't that attractive. Are they experts in getting women or do they just have enough money to attract those girls?

 

Some very lean people know nothing about how to be lean, and are just lucky they have a fast metabolism and get away with eating whatever they want, at least for awhile. Would they be the people to go to for diet advice or one that was overweight and researched how to get lean and used those ideas? 

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, Quentin Zen said:

 

There's no way in a million years I'll care what someone says about politics if they have no experience.  Same with finance.   Prove you are rich, got rich, etc... before you spout off about money.  Same with health, girls, whatever....  Politics is just the funniest one.   Dudes blah blah blah pontificating about blah blah blah when they spent their entire life shoveling snow and the only politician they have seen is on Netflix.   Same with law.  People acting as if their brain will magically understand everything taught in law school from a few movies and a beer.  

 

Then we have the clowns, who watch the talking heads, see a documentary on YouTube, and are ready to debate Plato.  I think they get worked up and super mad because their brain is actually telling them to be frustrated with the lack of knowledge about a particular subject.   

 

I do feel bad for anyone who wastes their time on politics.  Either actively try to change things, run for office, start a movement, petition, etc... or just forget about it all and go exercise.  

 

Please give us ONE example of how a past comment (preferably a decade old or longer) actually changed the course of history.  hahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahah

 

Of course it's your right.   It's awesome.  Freedom to waste your time doing whatever forever.   That's fine.  Great value to society and your family.  I'm just saying to maybe think about being more efficient with your time.  This post took me three minutes.  I'm done.  People have spent over a decade, hours a day, yelling at Trump from a studio apartment in Hua Hin.  I'm just confused.   I remember seeing rich retirees from Florida back in the 90's do the same thing.  Argue all day, all day.  That's their community.  That's their identity.  That's their life.   Banter is one thing, but these old timers were really getting bad.   What a life.  Wrestle with your friends in your teens and 20's, then grow up.  

 

People comment on political issues for various reasons, even if they aren't experts. Some do it to stay informed about different perspectives, while others find it a way to learn and engage with the issues, even if it's in a way that feels like they are participating in a "deliberative democracy". Commenting can also lead to deeper cognitive elaboration of the content, enhancing political learning. Moreover, social media platforms provide a space for people to express their opinions and understand how others perceive political matters. 

 

Here's a more detailed look:

• Staying informed:

  Social media users who follow political figures they disagree with often cite the desire to stay informed about both sides of an issue as a primary reason for engagement. 

   
• Learning from others:

  Commenting on political content, unlike just "liking," can lead to a deeper understanding and cognitive processing of the topic, resulting in greater political learning. 

   
• Participating in a public discourse:

  Online comment sections can be seen as a way to engage in a more democratic process, allowing citizens to share their opinions and understand the views of others on various issues. 

   
• Expressing opinions and values:

  People comment on political content to share their views, perspectives, and values, which can be seen as a way to participate in the political process. 

   
• Finding a sense of community:

  Online comments can create a sense of community among like-minded individuals who share similar political perspectives. 

   
• Countering misinformation:

  Some individuals comment to clarify facts or address false information that may be circulating online. 

   
• Influencing public opinion:

  While not necessarily expert, commenting can be a way to try to influence the views of others on a particular political issue. 

   

In essence, commenting on political issues, even without expertise, can be a way to be informed, learn, express oneself, participate in public discourse, and potentially influence the opinions of others. 

No need to shout!

[MalcolmB]

American idiots being able to vote gave the world Trump.

Twice

[Lacessit]

I am influenced by facts and data which are verifiable and/or apodeictic.

 

YouTubers with a shelf of books behind them don't make the grade.

[CharlieH]

I'm influenced by common sense! Seems many don't possess any !

[fredwiggy]

40 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

American idiots being able to vote gave the world Trump.

Twice

So you're calling all people who made a choice for a candidate idiots? That would mean all those who wanted Hitler, Putin, Stalin, Trump, and all your kings in England idiots also? People want to believe in others they think will help them. Many make mistakes, thinking their choice was right. Time has proven otherwise. A lot of very intelligent people voted for trump, as they might have made a profit from one of his ventures, and many follow like sheep, not because they're idiots but because they believe opinions of others, and hope for the best.

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

But why did you bother to post this if all you had to do was not get involved in any discussions about politics?

That´s a very good question.

[Harrisfan]

3 hours ago, Quentin Zen said:

 

There's no way in a million years I'll care what someone says about politics if they have no experience.  Same with finance.   Prove you are rich, got rich, etc... before you spout off about money.  Same with health, girls, whatever....  Politics is just the funniest one.   Dudes blah blah blah pontificating about blah blah blah when they spent their entire life shoveling snow and the only politician they have seen is on Netflix.   Same with law.  People acting as if their brain will magically understand everything taught in law school from a few movies and a beer.  

 

Then we have the clowns, who watch the talking heads, see a documentary on YouTube, and are ready to debate Plato.  I think they get worked up and super mad because their brain is actually telling them to be frustrated with the lack of knowledge about a particular subject.   

 

I do feel bad for anyone who wastes their time on politics.  Either actively try to change things, run for office, start a movement, petition, etc... or just forget about it all and go exercise.  

 

Please give us ONE example of how a past comment (preferably a decade old or longer) actually changed the course of history.  hahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahah

 

Of course it's your right.   It's awesome.  Freedom to waste your time doing whatever forever.   That's fine.  Great value to society and your family.  I'm just saying to maybe think about being more efficient with your time.  This post took me three minutes.  I'm done.  People have spent over a decade, hours a day, yelling at Trump from a studio apartment in Hua Hin.  I'm just confused.   I remember seeing rich retirees from Florida back in the 90's do the same thing.  Argue all day, all day.  That's their community.  That's their identity.  That's their life.   Banter is one thing, but these old timers were really getting bad.   What a life.  Wrestle with your friends in your teens and 20's, then grow up.  

 

People comment on political issues for various reasons, even if they aren't experts. Some do it to stay informed about different perspectives, while others find it a way to learn and engage with the issues, even if it's in a way that feels like they are participating in a "deliberative democracy". Commenting can also lead to deeper cognitive elaboration of the content, enhancing political learning. Moreover, social media platforms provide a space for people to express their opinions and understand how others perceive political matters. 

 

Here's a more detailed look:

• Staying informed:

  Social media users who follow political figures they disagree with often cite the desire to stay informed about both sides of an issue as a primary reason for engagement. 

   
• Learning from others:

  Commenting on political content, unlike just "liking," can lead to a deeper understanding and cognitive processing of the topic, resulting in greater political learning. 

   
• Participating in a public discourse:

  Online comment sections can be seen as a way to engage in a more democratic process, allowing citizens to share their opinions and understand the views of others on various issues. 

   
• Expressing opinions and values:

  People comment on political content to share their views, perspectives, and values, which can be seen as a way to participate in the political process. 

   
• Finding a sense of community:

  Online comments can create a sense of community among like-minded individuals who share similar political perspectives. 

   
• Countering misinformation:

  Some individuals comment to clarify facts or address false information that may be circulating online. 

   
• Influencing public opinion:

  While not necessarily expert, commenting can be a way to try to influence the views of others on a particular political issue. 

   

In essence, commenting on political issues, even without expertise, can be a way to be informed, learn, express oneself, participate in public discourse, and potentially influence the opinions of others. 

No. Everybody is full of it or guessing including so called experts. 2 out of 10,000 predicted the gfc. Climate scientists full of crap.

[Harrisfan]

53 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

American idiots being able to vote gave the world Trump.

Twice

So who cares

[SLOWHAND225]

53 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

American idiots being able to vote gave the world Trump.

Twice

 

And he lives in your head rent free ! Ain't America grand. lol

[Fat is a type of crazy]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Sadly there are very stupid people who believe what they hear. Just need to look toward those that believe MSM.

I respect your right to be cynical of some aspects of news but it is unhelpful to conclude that so called  mainstream news is not to be believed. How do you define mainstream news? Are they all not to be believed? All of the time? What is their motives for not conveying the truth?  Are these people stupid or can most see that every news outlet as a nuance, a bias, or an emphases but still some are much more trustworthy and believable than others. What are the better alternatives? To simply say people are stupid who believe mainstream news gives the impression you don't want a  discussion but want to troll or put others down. 

[Gottfrid]

19 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

So who cares

Apparently you.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I think the op is a bit harsh. Everyone has a point of view on what might make the world better and having a chat on here to spell out your thoughts and get a reaction ain't so bad. I take your point though - when you see the same people going into battle day in day out with no change in opinion it can seem a bit pointless. 

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Apparently you.

You are weird

[KhunLA]

Strangers can only point me in a directions, till I verify their thoughts.  Until then, I don't believe anyone I don't know or respect.

[Gottfrid]

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

You are weird

Please explain. When did it become weird to answer a question truthfully?

[connda]

I'm no more influence by "non-experts" than I am by "experts," especially since 2020 when so-called "experts" were using the megaphone of the Main-Stream Media (who is funded almost entirely by Big Pharma) to demand to those who would blindly listen that they must ignore everyone but "the correct Experts^TM," (those espousing "The One and Only Correct True^TM Narrative supported by 'The Science^TM'") and ignore the "wrong experts," (those espousing counter narratives as demanded by the Scientific Method of scientific research methodology) and by God, don't ever attempt to research or think on your own 👈 so said Dr. Anthony  (I_Am_The_Science^TM) Fauci.

My approach is to corroborate and vet facts and information, use "Occam's Razor" where appropriate especially when showered with propaganda,, but be open to changing facts and circumstance, and realize that monied interests in both government and business use propaganda to sway the weakest minds, because if the majority are swayed to believe BS, then the minority narrative can be drowned out, ridiculed, and dismissed. 

I neither blindly follow "experts" nor do I blindly follow Billy Bob who is convinced the Earth is flat.  

[MalcolmB]

46 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

So you're calling all people who made a choice for a candidate idiots? That would mean all those who wanted Hitler, Putin, Stalin, Trump, and all your kings in England idiots also?

Yes.

And I know you are not the brightest but Kings in England are not elected.

[blaze master]

Somebody needs a hug. 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Yes.

And I know you are not the brightest but Kings in England are not elected.

You know nothing about me besides the fact you're many points behind me in the intelligence bracket. I didn't say Kings were elected. I said all those who wanted those listed. Kings are ,like here, from hereditary, meaning some people also wanted them in power.,

[connda]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Sadly there are very stupid people who believe what they hear. Just need to look toward those that believe MSM.

 

Sadly there are very stupid people who believe what they hear. Just need to look toward those that believe MSM.

👈     

[quake]

I'm influenced by alcohol, ladies and drugs.

Works fine for me.

Life is good. 

 

Nice to see a proper Monday morning thread. 

[Harrisfan]

40 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Please explain. When did it become weird to answer a question truthfully?

You're weird.

[MalcolmB]

49 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You know nothing about me besides the fact you're many points behind me in the intelligence bracket. I didn't say Kings were elected. I said all those who wanted those listed. Kings are ,like here, from hereditary, meaning some people also wanted them in power.,

 

49 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You know nothing about me besides the fact you're many points behind me in the intelligence bracket. I didn't say Kings were elected. I said all those who wanted those listed. Kings are ,like here, from hereditary, meaning some people also wanted them in power.,

Nice word salad Fred.

[fredwiggy]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

 

Nice word salad Fred.

Don't worry, it'll come to you later.

[Hummin]

Obviously, everyone who voted for Trump did!

 

I can listen to someone who align with my views, but I will almost always check their credibility and also fact checks their views

 

There is many things I can agree with Trump, but there is as many things that makes him crazy.

 

Even Hitler Mao, Saddam, Stailin had right, but how they used their power, how they neglected their responsibilities to be transparent and fair, makes them some of the worst despotes in our time who had power long enough to make great damage to their people, their country and the world.

 

Edit note: Mao postponed world crises long enough to make us even more wealthy 

[BritManToo]

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

American idiots being able to vote gave the world Trump.

Twice

You would have preferred Hillary and Kamala?