Russia planning ‘to test article 5’, with an attack on Nato

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Germany Warns of Russian Plans to Test NATO’s Unity and Push Back Western Boundaries

 

Germany’s top intelligence official has sounded the alarm over what he describes as “concrete” evidence that Russia is planning to challenge NATO, potentially through a calculated test of the alliance’s Article 5 mutual defense clause. Bruno Kahl, the outgoing head of Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service (BND), issued the warning during a rare interview, in which he said Russian leadership no longer believes NATO’s guarantee of collective defense will be upheld—and may be preparing to find out.

 

“We are very sure, and we have intelligence evidence to back this up, that [Russia’s full-scale invasion of] Ukraine is only one step on Russia’s path towards the West,” Kahl told a podcast hosted by the German outlet Table Briefings. While he clarified that this does not suggest “large tank battalions” will immediately begin rolling westward, he stressed that NATO’s core commitment to mutual defense is under direct scrutiny by Moscow. “We see that NATO is supposed to be tested in its mutual assistance promise. There are people in Moscow who don’t believe that NATO’s Article 5 still works,” he added.

 

Germany’s Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has echoed similar concerns in recent months. While acknowledging that a Russian attack is not imminent, he has emphasized the importance of preparedness. “At the moment, I don’t think a Russian attack is likely,” Pistorius told Tagesspiegel in a 2023 interview. “Our experts estimate that it could be possible within a period of five to eight years.”

 

This timeline aligns with a February assessment by the Danish Defence Intelligence Service, which stated that once the war in Ukraine concludes, the Kremlin could redeploy significant military resources toward another conflict—possibly within six months—targeting a country on Russia’s border.

Kahl, who is set to become Germany’s ambassador to the Vatican, warned that Moscow’s strategic ambitions extend far beyond Ukraine. He said the Kremlin aims to push NATO back to its pre-expansion boundaries from the 1990s, remove the United States from Europe, and assert Russian influence by “any means necessary.” As Kahl put it, “We need to nip this in the bud.”

 

Despite rising tensions, Kahl noted that intelligence cooperation with the United States remains strong. “The Americans take Article 5 very seriously,” he said, “but they rightly insist Europe must do its part.”

 

While the conflict has thus far remained confined to Ukrainian territory, Germany’s domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), has reported an alarming rise in Russian covert activity across Europe. According to the BfV’s annual report, presented in Berlin on Wednesday, Moscow is increasingly extending its confrontation with the West through cyberattacks, espionage, and acts of sabotage.

 

“We have noticed that Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine has led to our cyber and espionage defences being increasingly tested,” said Sinan Selim, the BfV’s vice-president. The agency detailed how Russia has used low-level agents to carry out attacks in Western countries, including planting incendiary devices in parcels that ignited fires in major European logistics hubs last year.

 

As Western governments brace for what could be a prolonged geopolitical struggle, the warnings from Germany’s intelligence leaders mark a significant escalation in rhetoric—and a sobering reminder of the fragile balance of security in Europe.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from The Times  2025-06-12

 

 

[Pouatchee]

7 minutes ago, Social Media said:

As Western governments brace for what could be a prolonged geopolitical struggle, the warnings from Germany’s intelligence leaders mark a significant escalation in rhetoric—and a sobering reminder of the fragile balance of security in Europe.

 

good way to get the old guard to start investing in  its military... a much needed expense long overdue.

[Tug]

This may explain tulsi gabbard almost verbatim speaking Russian propaganda today.if that happens you can be sure trump will taco,furthermore he may try to sabotage US weapon systems owned by nato countries wouldn’t surprise me one bit.don’t count on him for sure!they are also withdrawing personnel from the Middle East something may indeed be brewing.

[dinsdale]

Complete propaganda rubbish to divert attention away from domestic issues and the biggest domestic issue is in much of the EU and the UK illegal immigration.

[Briggsy]

With Putin's lapdog in the White House under strict orders to sabotage any Western response, Putin has both the inside track and a huge advantage. 

[jas007]

Don't forget to consider the source of this nonsense.  Germany. 

 

And for those who don't know, Article 5 is not a a "guarantee" of anything.  Compliance is optional, in an important sense. Members agree to assist the nation attacked, but how that assistance is rendered is not specified.  In other words, the assistance could be very little.  

 

 

[arick]

37 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Complete propaganda rubbish to divert attention away from domestic issues and the biggest domestic issue is in much of the EU and the UK illegal immigration.

Yes Mr Reform 

[newbee2022]

Well, it will not only a test by Russia bot also for Nato.

Will really America defend an attacked eg Lithuania with all means?

And crush Russia?

I doubt it.

[FlorC]

The've been testing Russia's red lines for years now.

Time for Russia to test article 5.

 

But this is so incredible , considdering the source : Germany’s top intelligence official/warmongerer.

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Don't forget to consider the source of this nonsense.  Germany. 

 

And for those who don't know, Article 5 is not a a "guarantee" of anything.  Compliance is optional, in an important sense. Members agree to assist the nation attacked, but how that assistance is rendered is not specified.  In other words, the assistance could be very little.  

 

 

NATO 'Stands' With Turkey But Does Not Invoke Article 5

https://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-syria-nato/24625900.html

Turkey tried to Invoke Article 5 a few years ago but the response from Nato was muted

[jas007]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

NATO 'Stands' With Turkey But Does Not Invoke Article 5

https://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-syria-nato/24625900.html

Turkey tried to Invoke Article 5 a few years ago but the response from Nato was muted

That's how it works.  In other words, Article 5 doesn't mean much.  Russia should already know this.  

 

It's funny how Ukraine silently slipped from the news after Trump diverted Patriot missiles to Israel. The US is done with Ukraine, for all practical purposes. And Europe can't do anything much, so that's it.  

[newbee2022]

56 minutes ago, FlorC said:

The've been testing Russia's red lines for years now.

Time for Russia to test article 5.

 

But this is so incredible , considdering the source : Germany’s top intelligence official/warmongerer.

What does that mean?

"But this is so incredible , considdering the source : Germany’s top intelligence official/warmongerer."

You wouldn't trust the Intelligence service?

[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Don't forget to consider the source of this nonsense.  Germany. 

What does it mean?

It's only reliable when it comes from Truth Social???😳

[newbee2022]

19 minutes ago, jas007 said:

The US is done

Well said 👍

[spidermike007]

I think there's no question that Russia, Putin and the Kremlin have very, very bad intentions. Think about it, other than their space program what have they done to benefit mankind in the last 70 years? 

[jas007]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

I think there's no question that Russia, Putin and the Kremlin have very, very bad intentions. Think about it, other than their space program what have they done to benefit mankind in the last 70 years? 

Russia has only been around since about 1991, or whenever the old Soviet Union fell apart.  Don't forget that.  

 

As for what they've done since then?  They've spent much of that time putting up with Neocon nonsense and propaganda from the likes of Victoria Nuland, all designed to weaken and destroy Russia.  For the war machine, Russia is a boogeyman. 

[frank83628]

Germany again with more fear to keep the naive russiaphobes hiding behind their sofas.

 

'We are very sure' haha!

just like your claim Russia is going to invade Europe, even though Putin has stayed in the territories he said he would.

 

Fearmongers . Com

#Gulliblesheep 

 

 

[thesetat]

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think there's no question that Russia, Putin and the Kremlin have very, very bad intentions. Think about it, other than their space program what have they done to benefit mankind in the last 70 years? 

Hey.. Don't forget China and N. Korea as well as many other countries with nuke capabilities. 

[IvorBiggun2]

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

what have they done to benefit mankind in the last 70 years? 

 

The helicopter and synthetic rubber to name 2

[frank83628]

15 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think there's no question that Russia, Putin and the Kremlin have very, very bad intentions. Think about it, other than their space program what have they done to benefit mankind in the last 70 years? 

They've kept Europe warn through the winters. 

[frank83628]

just change 'America' to 'Asean Now'

[Hakuna Matata]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

“concrete” evidence that Russia is planning to challenge NATO, potentially through a calculated test of the alliance’s Article 5 mutual defense clause

 

A complete BS. This is a hoax to justify NATO military build up, using taxpayers money. It means less benefits to the population.

[NoDisplayName]

39 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

What does that mean?

"But this is so incredible , considdering the source : Germany’s top intelligence official/warmongerer."

You wouldn't trust the Intelligence service?

 

"We know where they are [Iraq's weapons of mass destruction]. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

 

" But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

[Patong2021]

If there is a conflict, the west can thank Trump for forcing them to  be better prepared than they were 5 years ago. On Monday the Canadian government announced a massive increase in defense spending and it will meet the NATO defense budget goal of 2% of GDP this fiscal year. It previously was at 1.37% of GDP, one of the lowest of NATO nations until the change. Because of Trump, NATO nations have started building  ammunition plants and upgraded their self defense capabilities.  Might can act as a deterrence. 

 

3 hours ago, Tug said:

This may explain tulsi gabbard almost verbatim speaking Russian propaganda today.if that happens you can be sure trump will taco,furthermore he may try to sabotage US weapon systems owned by nato countries wouldn’t surprise me one bit.don’t count on him for sure!they are also withdrawing personnel from the Middle East something may indeed be brewing.

 

The withdrawal of non essential personnel is a prudent measure in response to Iran issuing new threats against US installations in the middle east.

 

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

NATO 'Stands' With Turkey But Does Not Invoke Article 5

https://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-syria-nato/24625900.html

Turkey tried to Invoke Article 5 a few years ago but the response from Nato was muted

 

Turkey was seeking to  expand its territory and to slaughter  ethnic Kurdish arabs. Article 5 was not intended for that.

 

[Patong2021]

12 minutes ago, Hakuna Matata said:

 

A complete BS. This is a hoax to justify NATO military build up, using taxpayers money. It means less benefits to the population.

No. Russia has been building up its military on Finland's border and has already threatened both Sweden and Finland.

[Eric Loh]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

Despite rising tensions, Kahl noted that intelligence cooperation with the United States remains strong. “The Americans take Article 5 very seriously,” he said, “but they rightly insist Europe must do its part.

This will be the real test whether USA will honour their obligations to Article 5. Under Trump, not so sure with his open declaration of friendship with Putin. 

[Rotweiler]

Real or Memorex, the Germans would love that.  They are itching to invade Russia again for the fourth time.  

[newbee2022]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Germany Warns of Russian Plans to Test NATO’s Unity and Push Back Western Boundaries

 

Germany’s top intelligence official has sounded the alarm over what he describes as “concrete” evidence that Russia is planning to challenge NATO, potentially through a calculated test of the alliance’s Article 5 mutual defense clause. Bruno Kahl, the outgoing head of Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service (BND), issued the warning during a rare interview, in which he said Russian leadership no longer believes NATO’s guarantee of collective defense will be upheld—and may be preparing to find out.

 

“We are very sure, and we have intelligence evidence to back this up, that [Russia’s full-scale invasion of] Ukraine is only one step on Russia’s path towards the West,” Kahl told a podcast hosted by the German outlet Table Briefings. While he clarified that this does not suggest “large tank battalions” will immediately begin rolling westward, he stressed that NATO’s core commitment to mutual defense is under direct scrutiny by Moscow. “We see that NATO is supposed to be tested in its mutual assistance promise. There are people in Moscow who don’t believe that NATO’s Article 5 still works,” he added.

 

Germany’s Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has echoed similar concerns in recent months. While acknowledging that a Russian attack is not imminent, he has emphasized the importance of preparedness. “At the moment, I don’t think a Russian attack is likely,” Pistorius told Tagesspiegel in a 2023 interview. “Our experts estimate that it could be possible within a period of five to eight years.”

 

This timeline aligns with a February assessment by the Danish Defence Intelligence Service, which stated that once the war in Ukraine concludes, the Kremlin could redeploy significant military resources toward another conflict—possibly within six months—targeting a country on Russia’s border.

Kahl, who is set to become Germany’s ambassador to the Vatican, warned that Moscow’s strategic ambitions extend far beyond Ukraine. He said the Kremlin aims to push NATO back to its pre-expansion boundaries from the 1990s, remove the United States from Europe, and assert Russian influence by “any means necessary.” As Kahl put it, “We need to nip this in the bud.”

 

Despite rising tensions, Kahl noted that intelligence cooperation with the United States remains strong. “The Americans take Article 5 very seriously,” he said, “but they rightly insist Europe must do its part.”

 

While the conflict has thus far remained confined to Ukrainian territory, Germany’s domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), has reported an alarming rise in Russian covert activity across Europe. According to the BfV’s annual report, presented in Berlin on Wednesday, Moscow is increasingly extending its confrontation with the West through cyberattacks, espionage, and acts of sabotage.

 

“We have noticed that Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine has led to our cyber and espionage defences being increasingly tested,” said Sinan Selim, the BfV’s vice-president. The agency detailed how Russia has used low-level agents to carry out attacks in Western countries, including planting incendiary devices in parcels that ignited fires in major European logistics hubs last year.

 

As Western governments brace for what could be a prolonged geopolitical struggle, the warnings from Germany’s intelligence leaders mark a significant escalation in rhetoric—and a sobering reminder of the fragile balance of security in Europe.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from The Times  2025-06-12

 

 

As far as I know the German Chancellor sacked him. There is a new head of intelligence know.

[renaissanc]

"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody." (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 118)  Something terrible is coming down the pipeline. I think we'll see what it is before 2030.

[James105]

31 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No. Russia has been building up its military on Finland's border and has already threatened both Sweden and Finland.

 

Is this the same Russia that for the last 3 years has failed (with all its military might) to make any significant inroads into Ukraine?   We are now expected to believe they are readying themselves to take on NATO countries?   

 

Every day it seems we are heading further and further into 1984 territory and now we have the fake enemy that we are supposedly going to be at war with.   People that perpetuate this propaganda a very big part of the problem and instead of looking at the real threat to western countries (the globalist leaders in charge of them) they are having you look at the imaginary monster that does not exist.  

 

Starmer would love the UK to be at war with Russia.   He is desperate for it.   They are the perfect enemy.   They are white christian so it doesn't affect his muslim voter base from the countries that genuinely hate the west, and he hates the working class so they are the perfect cannon fodder to be sent to fight.