Russia planning ‘to test article 5’, with an attack on Nato

[FlorC]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

What does that mean?

"But this is so incredible , considdering the source : Germany’s top intelligence official/warmongerer."

You wouldn't trust the Intelligence service?

NO !

[FlorC]

57 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No. Russia has been building up its military on Finland's border and has already threatened both Sweden and Finland.

Before or AFTER they foolishly joined NATO ?

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Hakuna Matata said:

 

A complete BS. This is a hoax to justify NATO military build up, using taxpayers money. It means less benefits to the population.

yes, UK announced big spending and Aid to Ukraine while actual people have to suffer cuts to spending on hospitals etc etc

[Eric Loh]

3 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Before or AFTER they foolishly joined NATO ?

After Ukraine invasion which was a turning point in public opinion in favor of NATO membership. 

[frank83628]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

After Ukraine invasion which was a turning point in public opinion in favor of NATO membership. 

which was nothing to do with any other country than the interference of the US, the US pushed this type of Russia fear on the 2 countries, who now stupidly have to spend billions on unnecessary weapons and become a target.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

This will be the real test whether USA will honour their obligations to Article 5. Under Trump, not so sure with his open declaration of friendship with Putin. 

I think trump will taco he’s scared of putin I think it’s more likely he will try to pull us out of nato.The Europeans will kick putins rear end Ukraine has allready bled putin down.if Putin is foolish enough to do it it just might be Ukraines salvation.

[zig]

23 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Is this the same Russia that for the last 3 years has failed (with all its military might) to make any significant inroads into Ukraine?   We are now expected to believe they are readying themselves to take on NATO countries?   

 

Every day it seems we are heading further and further into 1984 territory and now we have the fake enemy that we are supposedly going to be at war with.   People that perpetuate this propaganda a very big part of the problem and instead of looking at the real threat to western countries (the globalist leaders in charge of them) they are having you look at the imaginary monster that does not exist.     

It is the same Russia that has invaded or taken control of territories of few neighboring countries, like Chechnya, Georgia and Moldova and has invaded Ukraine multiple times since 2014. The same Russia that has doubled their military spending just in last four years. 

The same Russia whose top government officials repeatedly and publicly threaten to attack and annex other neighboring countries. 

There are quite a few tiny neighboring NATO countries that Russia could easily annex in a day or few (and it has threatened to do it too) and then see how NATO would respond, if at all. 

 

[SMIAI]

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International sanctions after the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022 have been ineffective in countering Russian arms manufacturing. Russian military production has steadily grown, with missile production now exceeded pre-war levels. Russia currently manufactures more ammunition than all NATO nations combined, estimated at seven times the amount of the West. It has doubled its annual tank production and tripled its artillery and rocket production from pre-invasion numbers. Russia's production costs are drastically lower than those of competing nations, costing about 10 times less to create an artillery shell than comparable NATO ammunition.^[10][11][12] As of 2024, Russia produces about 3 million artillery shells a year, nearly three times the quantity from the US and Europe.^[13] 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry_of_Russia

[thaibreaker]

1 hour ago, renaissanc said:

"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody." (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 118)  Something terrible is coming down the pipeline. I think we'll see what it is before 2030.

In English, please.

[thaibreaker]

44 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Before or AFTER they foolishly joined NATO ?

Why do you think Finland and Sweden joined NATO? Why do you think the Baltic countries joined NATO?

 

Russia did that. Their threat is real. I know, I'm Norwegian, we have lived with their threats for decades.

[James105]

19 minutes ago, zig said:

It is the same Russia that has invaded or taken control of territories of few neighboring countries, like Chechnya, Georgia and Moldova and has invaded Ukraine multiple times since 2014. The same Russia that has doubled their military spending just in last four years. 

The same Russia whose top government officials repeatedly and publicly threaten to attack and annex other neighboring countries. 

There are quite a few tiny neighboring NATO countries that Russia could easily annex in a day or few (and it has threatened to do it too) and then see how NATO would respond, if at all. 

 

 

Russia are not a threat to western democracies and even if there was a teeny tiny threat it would certainly pale into insignificance with the invasion already taking place in western countries from 3rd world barbaric, medieval, misogynistic countries that threaten the stability and culture of those countries from within.   It's not Russian operatives that were raping white girls in their tens of thousands in UK cities now is it?   It wasn't Russian operatives that killed little girls in Southport that resulted in violence on the streets, or the current rioting in Northern Ireland as a result of more immigrant rapists.  Putin knows the west is destroying itself from within.  He doesn't need to spend a single rouble to destroy the west as he can just sit back and watch it destroy itself, wasting money on a military that is not allowed to defend the country from the real and present threats already inside the borders.

[transam]

47 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

yes, UK announced big spending and Aid to Ukraine while actual people have to suffer cuts to spending on hospitals etc etc

What a load of Putin supporter rubbish, and I am English....................😆

[candide]

4 hours ago, FlorC said:

The've been testing Russia's red lines for years now.

Time for Russia to test article 5.

 

But this is so incredible , considdering the source : Germany’s top intelligence official/warmongerer.

When have "they" invaded Russia? 

[Cameroni]

Given the track record of German intelligence I wonder why anyone would believe anything they say.

 

Where's the evidence?

 

What evidence does Kahl have of Russia's intentions?

 

Increased activity? Lol. Okay then.

[connda]

US SecState Jim Baker's promise to Gorbachev that "NATO will not move One Inch to the East" if the broken Soviet Union allowed German reunification in the 1990s.  Now NATO is on Russia's border feeding military equipment into Ukraine as well as to the Baltic Chihuahuas, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Romania, and Moldova, with the express intention of sending Ukrainian troops into Eastern Ukraine to ethnically cleanse ethnic Russians, all the while screaming, "Russian Aggression" at the top of their lungs. 

 

As long as I've been alive, it's the same play by Western countries when they want to overthrow other nations in their never-ending colonial nation-building.  Now the story is that Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea are all "aggressor nations" who must be strategically eliminated.

So these narratives are built.  
"Russia wants to conquer Europe 100% and is about to strike - so NATO must strike first."
"China wants to conquer Taiwan and then the entirety of Asia 100% and is about to strike - so the US/NATO must strike first."
"Iran is building a nuke and plan to nuke Israel 100% and if they are allowed to enrich uranium to 3.6% they'll nuke Israel soon. The US, NATO, and Israel must strike!"
"North Korea plans to invade South Korea, Japan, and Alaska soon 100% and Kim must be crushed. The West must strike!"

 

I've watched the same rhetoric used to build the excuses (Casus Belli) for the US and its allies to go to war multiple times in my life.  Vietnam (Bay of Tonkin), Iraq 1 (bayoneting incubator babies), the breakup and bombing of Yugoslavia (Račak massacre and other claims of ethnic cleansing), Iraq 2 (weapons of mass destruction), Libya bombing (“Gadhaffi ordered 'viagra-fueled rape'" R2P narrative), Syria (Assad 'barrel-bombs' his own people, R2P), Somalia, Sudan, and the list goes on.  By the way - how many "wars" were actually declared since WW2?  None.  The US just sends in troops to make a mess out of countries who fail to "bend a knee and submit to US hegemony." And if US troops aren't sent in, then US proxies are often supported by US air cover.

It works like this.  Build a narrative, issue a massive propaganda campaign to influence the weak-minded majority in your country to support military police action with massive injections of tax money and warm 18-36 year old bodies to be used as cannon-fodder, then wage police actions for upwards of two decades before getting your butts kicked by tactically inferior fighting forces, leave with your tails between your legs and billions of USD of equipment on the ground, wash, rinse, repeat.

This time though?  This time the entire West is building toward provoking an actual World War which will be a formally declared war this time around using Article 5 as its Casus Belli or a China attacked its own territory of Taiwan. The narrative is now being spun with MSM news articles such as this one:  "Russia is going to attack a NATO country for sure in a deliberate provocation of NATO Article 5 because 'Putin wants to reestablish the glory of the Soviet Union!'"  It will be interesting to see if they just go for another false-flag event which they'll need in order to get their reticent, over-weight, out-of-shape, gender-confused Gen-X and Millennials to flock to the recruitment stations to sign up to put a knife between their teeth and a rifle in the hands, and go fight Ivan and Putin's Cossock Hoard and Kim's North Korean Banshees on The Eastern Front of Europe's Russian border -- again!  I wonder what it will be this time.  Blow up the Eiffel Tower?  Russia sinks a few NATO warships in the Baltic and Black Seas which are committing piracy against Russian vessels? Putin accused of dropping gay Ukrainian soldiers out of helicopters over the Black Sea? 

I've said this before and I'll say it again:  World War 3 Is Coming For Sure and it will be provoked by US, NATO, and its allies.  But whatever causes it will be squarely blamed on Russia, China, Iran, and the DPRK.  Most Western citizens simply are itching for war. 

As an "elderly, anti-war US veteran, all I can say is, "Be careful what you wish for."  Big power conflicts will go nuclear this time around. Guaranteed. 




 

[johng]

Very well said @connda 

 

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[connda]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Complete propaganda rubbish to divert attention away from domestic issues and the biggest domestic issue is in much of the EU and the UK illegal immigration.

Yep.

[connda]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

Is this the same Russia that for the last 3 years has failed (with all its military might) to make any significant inroads into Ukraine?   We are now expected to believe they are readying themselves to take on NATO countries?   

Yep - Putin is planning to march on Berlin and Paris, and afterward onward to Madrid. 

[jas007]

10 minutes ago, connda said:

I've said this before and I'll say it again:  World War 3 Is Coming For Sure and it will be provoked by US, NATO, and its allies.  But whatever causes it will be squarely blamed on Russia, China, Iran, and the DPRK.  Most Western citizens simply are itching for war. 

As an "elderly, anti-war US veteran, all I can say is, "Be careful what you wish for."  Big power conflicts will go nuclear this time around. Guaranteed. 

While I agree with much of what you say, I'm somewhat more optimistic, at least in terms with any kind of nuclear war over Ukraine, NATO or not. The USA is done with Ukraine, and if the EU, or rather the UK and France, do anything stupid, it's their problem. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near London or Paris.  Those will be targets one and two.  

 

Unfortunately, even if the US (Trump) is done with Ukraine, that doesn't mean that the possibility of war has gone away. The Neocons will do their best to just move the "forever war" to some other part of the globe. Their Puppet Masters always make money on wars, no matter where the location. And what's the point of a nuclear war?  You'd be killing the goose that laid the golden egg.  The idea is to keep the game going.  Bleed the taxpayers forever.  Nice gig, if you can get away with it. 

 

So we now only have to worry about two localities.  China/Taiwan and the Middle East.  Both problematic, but I'm hopeful Trump will steer clear of any real trouble.  

 

First, he needs to sideline Netanyahu and his belief that Israel can control US foreign policy.  Make a deal with Iran and step aside. I seriously doubt Israel will be able to act alone. Or rather, if they did act alone, they wouldn't want to put up with the consequences. They'd be fighting a regional war at that point, and their enemies would be much of the Arab world, including Egypt. And Turkey would not stay neutral.  They don't have the manpower to fight all those armies. 

 

As for China?  Hopefully, the trade tensions will subside and Xi Jinping will have the sense to abstain from any invasion of Taiwan. He needs political stability at home and a resumption of trade with the USA and its consumers. The last thing he needs is a war.  So maybe the US will avoid trouble there, as well.

 

 

[CaptainS]

9 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

 

good way to get the old guard to start investing in  its military... a much needed expense long overdue.

For a very long time actually the world preferred Germany not to be a military superpower again. It only changed quite recently. 

[CaptainS]

3 hours ago, Rotweiler said:

Real or Memorex, the Germans would love that.  They are itching to invade Russia again for the fourth time.  

No one in Germany wants to invade Russia. We have been struggling in bringing east Germany up to standard. We surely don´t need more underdeveloped territory.  

[johng]

23 minutes ago, connda said:

Yep - Putin is planning to march on Berlin and Paris, and afterward onward to Madrid. 

While at the same time having a collapsing  economy , running out of men, missiles, bullets no ball bearings or washing machines and on the brink of death from cancer and /or a coup to depose him.

[NoDisplayName]

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

On Monday the Canadian government announced a massive increase in defense spending and it will meet the NATO defense budget goal of 2% of GDP this fiscal year.

 

Sure, but nothing to do with Russia.

 

That's to reinforce the border against American incursions and to support Greenland in repulsing the anticipated invasion.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, CaptainS said:

No one in Germany wants to invade Russia. We have been struggling in bringing east Germany up to standard. We surely don´t need more underdeveloped territory.  

I'm sure if you went around Germany and asked the man on the street about going to war with Russia and perhaps instigating a nuclear war, they'd all tell you they weren't interested.  But the politicians and the war machine and the propaganda outlets seem to be running the show, regardless of what the "people" would want. 

[FlorC]

2 hours ago, candide said:

When have "they" invaded Russia? 

Russia's red lines are not about invading.

[Cameroni]

22 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I'm sure if you went around Germany and asked the man on the street about going to war with Russia and perhaps instigating a nuclear war, they'd all tell you they weren't interested.  But the politicians and the war machine and the propaganda outlets seem to be running the show, regardless of what the "people" would want. 

 

Merz certainly seems to be a warmonger of the first order. He's escalated things as if he already had nuclear weapons, the lunatic.

[CanadaSam]

5 hours ago, thesetat said:

Hey.. Don't forget China and N. Korea

 

You can not include China in this, their only small discretions were directed towards Taiwan which was always "Chinese" territory.

 

4 hours ago, James105 said:

We are now expected to believe they are readying themselves to take on NATO countries?   

 

This article only says they are going to "TEST" Nato response, perhaps by a small incursion into a small country like Lithuania.  I would like to see the Nato result myself.... 

[RayC]

Hopefully things won't escalate further, but no doubt if Russia does attack a NATO country, the Putin apologists will tell us that Russia's reaction is fully justified and that Estonia, Finland, Latvia, etc brought it on themselves.

[connda]

2 hours ago, connda said:

"Iran is building a nuke and plan to nuke Israel 100% and if they are allowed to enrich uranium to 3.6% they'll nuke Israel soon. The US, NATO, and Israel must strike!"

Looks like this may happen within the next two weeks.  Got OIL?

[Cameroni]

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

Hopefully things won't escalate further, but no doubt if Russia does attack a NATO country, the Putin apologists will tell us that Russia's reaction is fully justified and that Estonia, Finland, Latvia, etc brought it on themselves.

 

Why oh why, in any conceivable universe would Russia attack Finland or any other NATO country? For what?

 

So the German intelligence services think Russia will invade Finland because......why? Russia would incur the risk of nuclear war to get sauna know-how or for what reason?