Will there ever be a safe vaccine?

[kwilco]

3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Sorry to misunderstand your point Sir.

 

For me, the whole lot are compromised. US and UK governments for sure. Big Pharma runs the medical Industrial complex. Big Oil. The Chemical industry. The Military complex. Israel lobby, They all have a bigger say than the guy or gal in the street.

 

Although elected bods talk the talk, when elected,  they don't walk the walk. And guess what? The financial industry is the ultimate decision maker for the west. One could be forgiven in thinking that Joe and Jane in the street are simply a nuisance.

 

There were 200 independent newspapers in the US when I was young. And as many TV stations. Where are they now? Gone! Just a handful now rule the roost.

 

The WHO is the biggest threat to human health ever, Yet the MSM keeps deathly quiet.

 

 

MMMM ……. this kind of sweeping list of villains (governments, Big Pharma, Big Oil, the WHO, the media, Israel, finance, etc.) is exactly how conspiracy thinking works:
Lots of blame, zero evidence, and everything framed as part of some hidden master plan.
Why is this so attractive to people? Well, complexity is uncomfortable,  it’s so much easier to believe in grand, evil forces pulling the strings than to accept that the world is in reality, chaotic, flawed, and often just badly managed.
Then, patterns and blame feel safer. Conspiracy theories give people something — or someone — to blame. It simplifies fear into a story with heroes, villains, and certainty. And that mistrust is contagious; once you lose faith in one institution, it’s tempting to believe they’re all rotten. Suddenly, everything official becomes suspect — and everything “alternative” feels like truth.
At this point confirmation bias kicks in. People seek out sources that tell them what they already believe and dismiss everything else as “controlled” or “mainstream.”
You mentioned newspapers and TV shrinking — true but It’s more about media consolidation and profit than secret coordination. What’s often missed is that the internet has more than replaced them in terms of access to information. The real issue isn’t the lack of media — it’s the overload of it.
However, unfortunately, a huge number of people are either afraid of, or overwhelmed by, the internet and IT in general. That fear or confusion makes them vulnerable — they don’t know how to verify sources, spot misinformation, or separate fact from opinion. Either they didn’t listen at school or are to old to join in effectively
It’s not a media blackout — it’s a crisis of media literacy,  it has been more than replaced by the internet.
 Same with governments and pharma: there’s real criticism to be made, but blanket conspiracies help no one and solve nothing. In fact they hinder any real understanding of the issues People are trying to cover their ignorance with cynicism
If we’re going to talk about real problems, we need evidence, not just suspicion dressed up as insight.
 

[Stiddle Mump]

5 hours ago, kwilco said:

If we’re going to talk about real problems, we need evidence, not just suspicion dressed up as insight.

Open your eyes. The evidence is all around you.

 

Were you asleep during the C-19 era? Could you not see governments in lockstep?

[Hummin]

6 hours ago, kwilco said:

 

MMMM ……. this kind of sweeping list of villains (governments, Big Pharma, Big Oil, the WHO, the media, Israel, finance, etc.) is exactly how conspiracy thinking works:
Lots of blame, zero evidence, and everything framed as part of some hidden master plan.
Why is this so attractive to people? Well, complexity is uncomfortable,  it’s so much easier to believe in grand, evil forces pulling the strings than to accept that the world is in reality, chaotic, flawed, and often just badly managed.
Then, patterns and blame feel safer. Conspiracy theories give people something — or someone — to blame. It simplifies fear into a story with heroes, villains, and certainty. And that mistrust is contagious; once you lose faith in one institution, it’s tempting to believe they’re all rotten. Suddenly, everything official becomes suspect — and everything “alternative” feels like truth.
At this point confirmation bias kicks in. People seek out sources that tell them what they already believe and dismiss everything else as “controlled” or “mainstream.”
You mentioned newspapers and TV shrinking — true but It’s more about media consolidation and profit than secret coordination. What’s often missed is that the internet has more than replaced them in terms of access to information. The real issue isn’t the lack of media — it’s the overload of it.
However, unfortunately, a huge number of people are either afraid of, or overwhelmed by, the internet and IT in general. That fear or confusion makes them vulnerable — they don’t know how to verify sources, spot misinformation, or separate fact from opinion. Either they didn’t listen at school or are to old to join in effectively
It’s not a media blackout — it’s a crisis of media literacy,  it has been more than replaced by the internet.
 Same with governments and pharma: there’s real criticism to be made, but blanket conspiracies help no one and solve nothing. In fact they hinder any real understanding of the issues People are trying to cover their ignorance with cynicism
If we’re going to talk about real problems, we need evidence, not just suspicion dressed up as insight.
 

Amen

 

Thank you. I do not believe people can grasp how our ancestors lived and breathed. Like a glam fairytale of personal freedom, clean air and strong men and women.

 

For 1000 of years have men and women fought, learned, failed, tried again and for the western world succeeded for a few decades and everything seemed to be good, but people are never happy, there will always be big satan to fight, on all areas. 

 

Distractions in perfect harmony with evil men in suits leading useful idiots to disaster 

[xylophone]

For those posters who do not believe there is such a thing as a virus, or indeed that we have an immune system, I came across this interesting article and thought I would post it. Of course the anti-VAX brigade or the tin-foil hat brigade, won't like it one bit, but here it is anyway.........

 

Bats carry an assortment of viruses, including infectious diseases that have jumped into humans in a process known as zoonotic spillover.

 

Marburg virus particles under the microscope — unlike some emerging viruses, Marburg jumps directly from bats to humans without an intermediate host.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/wildlife-video-reveals-bat-virus-spillover-potential-in-uganda/TZKTBVQOBJCCBJLXXBW3KQPGCA/

 

PS Open the link and read the whole article!

[ArcticFox]

all vaccines r safe and all kids need them to be safe.  u antivaxers are killing these kids.

[transam]

1 minute ago, ArcticFox said:

all vaccines r safe and all kids need them to be safe.  u antivaxers are killing these kids.

Yes, probably Jehovah Witness lot.......😬

[cdemundo]

On 6/15/2025 at 11:20 AM, Mark Nothing said:

No.  The entire field of virology is false.  It should be disbanded and completely shut down.  And the dictionary should use it as a perfect example for the definition of quackery.

 

Interestingly if the objective is good health and being disease free, then the Holy Bible is where the answers are located.  The creator of human beings has a definite blueprint on achieving health.  Most probably couldn't explain it.  Fewer still have fully implemented it.  But for those who desire health this is where to look.

 

 

" if the objective is good health and being disease free, then the Holy Bible is where the answers are located. "

 

Do you have to read the whole thing?

[cdemundo]

8 minutes ago, xylophone said:

For those posters who do not believe there is such a thing as a virus, or indeed that we have an immune system, I came across this interesting article and thought I would post it. Of course the anti-VAX brigade or the tin-foil hat brigade, won't like it one bit, but here it is anyway.........

 

Bats carry an assortment of viruses, including infectious diseases that have jumped into humans in a process known as zoonotic spillover.

 

Marburg virus particles under the microscope — unlike some emerging viruses, Marburg jumps directly from bats to humans without an intermediate host.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/wildlife-video-reveals-bat-virus-spillover-potential-in-uganda/TZKTBVQOBJCCBJLXXBW3KQPGCA/

"anti-VAX brigade or the tin-foil hat brigade"

What do you reckon a Venn diagram of these two groups looks like?

[Stiddle Mump]

14 minutes ago, xylophone said:

For those posters who do not believe there is such a thing as a virus, or indeed that we have an immune system, I came across this interesting article and thought I would post it. Of course the anti-VAX brigade or the tin-foil hat brigade, won't like it one bit, but here it is anyway.........

 

Bats carry an assortment of viruses, including infectious diseases that have jumped into humans in a process known as zoonotic spillover.

 

Marburg virus particles under the microscope — unlike some emerging viruses, Marburg jumps directly from bats to humans without an intermediate host.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/wildlife-video-reveals-bat-virus-spillover-potential-in-uganda/TZKTBVQOBJCCBJLXXBW3KQPGCA/

Utter nonsense. Bats don't 'carry' viruses of any description.

[xylophone]

Deleted post.

[Stiddle Mump]

13 minutes ago, ArcticFox said:

all vaccines r safe and all kids need them to be safe.  u antivaxers are killing these kids.

Like it. An attempt at humour.

 

You are wasted here. Off to the joke section.

[Stiddle Mump]

On 6/17/2025 at 1:26 PM, kwilco said:

for those who don't understand critical thinking, here is an introduction...

 

One of the worst films i've ever watched.

 

I'll not say it's monumental humbug because the are glimmers of truth in the film.

 

But he repeatedly emphasises 'science'. So Brian old bean; where is there any science about virus isolation? Where is there any science that shows pathogenicity? Where is there any science that demonstrates that we have an 'immune' system. 

 

Perhaps I will call the film monumental humbug.

[johng]

12 hours ago, kwilco said:

everything framed as part of some hidden master plan.

It's not hidden at all ..they actually tell you what the plan is... it's just you are not listening.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Utter nonsense. Bats don't 'carry' viruses of any description.

so what would you do if bitten by a bat?

and secondly what would you do if bitten by any mammal?

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, johng said:

It's not hidden at all ..they actually tell you what the plan is... it's just you are not listening.

 

Seriously? - I suppose they are those voices in your head?

[transam]

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Utter nonsense. Bats don't 'carry' viruses of any description.

Read this then stand down.........................🙄

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_virome

[johng]

Just now, kwilco said:

 

Seriously? - I suppose they are those voices in your head?

Perhaps you can't hear your 

"inner voice" ?

But seriously just look up agenda 2030 for a snippet of what thay are telling you.

[simon43]

Surely this Middle Stump poster must be some sort of forum shill, recruited to inflame other posters with his/her inane comments and increase thread replies?

 

... because I've never read such twaddle in all my life 🙂

[transam]

1 minute ago, simon43 said:

Surely this Middle Stump poster must be some sort of forum shill, recruited to inflame other posters with his/her inane comments and increase thread replies?

 

... because I've never read such twaddle in all my life 🙂

Yes, you're right, but just another to add the list of odd-balls....😁

[Stiddle Mump]

Just now, kwilco said:

so what would you do if bitten by a bat?

and secondly what would you do if bitten by any mammal?

Been bitten many times. 

 

Just wash the area lightly. If it is big enough wound; a plaster. But only for a few hours. Let the scab form. Don't clean away too much puss. That is the body healing. i actually lite the strip form of sealing a wound.

 

If it's a big wound, like you might get with a croc or tiger, other things have to be done. And I've done them myself. The best way to stitch yer wound is with a slither of bamboo. No bamboo? Not to worry. Pull some thread out yer shirt; or shorts. You will need to puncture the skin to get the thread through. Cactus needle. Or, any plant needle will suffice.

 

Drink plenty of water. Let the sun shine on the wound. Try to keep flies away. But if you can't, not to worry, as 24 hours later little maggots will show. Just shake them off. Or if there is a lot of puss forming; let them eat it.

[transam]

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Been bitten many times. 

 

Just wash the area lightly. If it is big enough wound; a plaster. But only for a few hours. Let the scab form. Don't clean away too much puss. That is the body healing. i actually lite the strip form of sealing a wound.

 

If it's a big wound, like you might get with a croc or tiger, other things have to be done. And I've done them myself. The best way to stitch yer wound is with a slither of bamboo. No bamboo? Not to worry. Pull some thread out yer shirt; or shorts. You will need to puncture the skin to get the thread through. Cactus needle. Or, any plant needle will suffice.

 

Drink plenty of water. Let the sun shine on the wound. Try to keep flies away. But if you can't, not to worry, as 24 hours later little maggots will show. Just shake them off. Or if there is a lot of puss forming; let them eat it.

You forgot about bats carry no viruses.................🤭

[Stiddle Mump]

5 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Surely this Middle Stump poster must be some sort of forum shill, recruited to inflame other posters with his/her inane comments and increase thread replies?

 

... because I've never read such twaddle in all my life 🙂

Coming from a scientist, of many years, that is a surprise Simon.

 

Can't science be challenged? Or do you, and your fellow scientists, believe anything that you are told. Even without any evidence to back it up. As in the case of viruses

[Stiddle Mump]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

You forgot about bats carry no viruses.................🤭

They can still inflict a nasty wound Trans bud. Best not to get dirt and muck in it.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

One of the worst films i've ever watched.

 

I'll not say it's monumental humbug because the are glimmers of truth in the film.

 

But he repeatedly emphasises 'science'. So Brian old bean; where is there any science about virus isolation? Where is there any science that shows pathogenicity? Where is there any science that demonstrates that we have an 'immune' system. 

 

Perhaps I will call the film monumental humbug.

 

Gosh! Thanks for volunteering as Exhibit A.

Brian Dunning’s Here Be Dragons is a straightforward guide to spotting bad arguments, logical fallacies, and pseudoscientific nonsense — and your reaction couldn’t have illustrated its message better if you’d been scripted.

You dismiss it as “one of the worst films” you’ve ever seen, then hedge with “glimmers of truth” — as if truth is somehow a problem. 
Then, with absolute confidence, you ask whether viruses exist, if they cause disease, and if we even have an immune system.
That’s not a critique. That’s cognitive dissonance colliding with Dunning-Kruger: rejecting reality because it bruised your worldview, then responding with all the certainty of someone who hasn’t passed high school biology.

You didn’t debunk the video.
You acted it out. Flawlessly.
 

[kwilco]

18 minutes ago, johng said:

Perhaps you can't hear your 

"inner voice" ?

But seriously just look up agenda 2030 for a snippet of what thay are telling you.

 

The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, also known as Agenda 2030, is a United Nations initiative adopted in 2015. It outlines a global framework with 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) aimed at ending poverty, protecting the planet, and ensuring prosperity for all by the year 2030. These goals address interconnected challenges such as poverty, hunger, inequality, climate change, and environmental degradation. 

 

So you disapprove of this??

 

Or are we talking about a parnoia that feeds off the word "agenda", normally in collocation with "hidden" by most tin foilers?

[Stiddle Mump]

Just now, kwilco said:

Then, with absolute confidence, you ask whether viruses exist, if they cause disease, and if we even have an immune system.

Where is the evidence to support the existence of either or both 'viruses' and the so-called 'immune' system?

 

I prefer the words 'defence' and 'maintenance' rather than 'immune'. There are reasons why I think that. Beyond the scope of this thread however. Perhaps another time.

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

They can still inflict a nasty wound Trans bud. Best not to get dirt and muck in it.

...You are buried..........

Your "Bats don't carry viruses"............................😂

[Stiddle Mump]

5 minutes ago, kwilco said:

 

The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, also known as Agenda 2030, is a United Nations initiative adopted in 2015. It outlines a global framework with 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) aimed at ending poverty, protecting the planet, and ensuring prosperity for all by the year 2030. These goals address interconnected challenges such as poverty, hunger, inequality, climate change, and environmental degradation. 

 

So you disapprove of this??

 

Or are we talking about a parnoia that feeds off the word "agenda", normally in collocation with "hidden" by most tin foilers?

What about keeping Billy jab jab Gates out, and bringing fresh water, and clean air in?

[johng]

3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

So you disapprove of this??

No doubt you will love your 15 minute city, central bank digital currency,carbon credits, social credit score and eating the bugs in your pod...you will own nothing and be happy 🤮

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, transam said:

...You are buried..........

Your "Bats don't carry viruses"............................😂

They don't Trans bud.

 

Show the evidence.