33 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

If in 3 years time things are pretty much the same, what should we do with these so called "climate experts"?

 

They will need to invent a darker red I think as they have "shot their load" on the darkest available red for a mere 33 degrees.  Not sure what they can do if the temperatures get as high again as the heatwaves experienced in 1976 (which occurred before man made climate change was invented).    

 

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Yes, yes and telephones were giant cumbersome things that could not fit in someones pocket 100 years ago and could only make phone calls, yet now they contain more technology and computing power than was needed by NASA to send someone to the moon, can still make phone calls and they fit in a pocket.    Thinking that we have peaked in energy technology and cannot solve the very far future problem of natural climate change cycles in a couple of thousand (or more likely hundreds of thousands) of years or will not be able to relocate to another planet is just childlike naivety.   

 

Thousands upon thousands of species (probably millions) have become extinct on this planet due to the climate changes this planet has experienced over its 4.3 billion year existence as they did not have the intelligence (or opposable thumbs) to build the tools to change that.   We are the first species to exist on this planet to have the wherewithal and the intelligence to prevent our extinction from such an event, but only if we use the tools and energy we have at our disposal to do so.   If everyone had your attitude (thankfully they do not) then we would end up preventing ourselves from building on the creations and the inventions of our ancestors to save ourselves from future (very, very far future) events.  

Yes, yes, and all that technology, including e-phones, pollutes. We have not "peaked" in creating energy-HARVESTING technologies (not energy-creating technologies), and all our technologies pollute. They generate more pollution than usable energy.

Yes, climate change is a natural thing, but that doesn't mean we, as humans, are not exacerbating or speeding up that natural process with our technology.

In my book, I say that until we learn to live on this planet both socially and environmentally compatible with it, we have no business even trying to go to another planet. To do so should not be called "colonizing"; it should be called "metastasizing." 

Yes, I agree with you that there has not been any species of life on this planet (that we know of) that has the intelligence we (humans) do. It is this very intelligence you mention above that is destroying our planet. In my book I define "technology" as a "physical instantiation of our intellect." That is the main cause, along with hubris and overpopulation, all of which are related.
 

My attitude will not prevent us from creating new technology that will "save" us from the continuing destruction of the Earth's biosphere (not just climate change, that is only a part of it). That destruction is already a done deal. We're "over the cliff" of that now. There is no turning back, only slowing down.

And, this attitude is a truthful one, not a negative one. For a better explanation of that, read "The Starfish Story" by P. Straube, which I mentioned above. I'm sure you can find it by searching online. 

5 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Your opinion is wrong though 

 

 

 

Carbon Footprint (CO2 Emissions per Capita):

 

Australia    15.01

Canada      14.99

US               14.21

China          8.89

UK               5

 

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/

 

 

46 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, I agree with you that there has not been any species of life on this planet (that we know of) that has the intelligence we (humans) do. It is this very intelligence you mention above that is destroying our planet. 

 

So if there were less intelligent species on the planet that were not capable of harvesting natural resources for energy, what do you propose caused the climate change that has always existed on this planet in the past?   Do you think that dinosaurs were driving around in giant cars perhaps?  Or has climate change always happened with or without humans existing.   The good news for you is that this happens over hundreds of thousands/millions of years so there is a bit of time yet before the panic button needs to be hit.  

 

55 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

That destruction is already a done deal. We're "over the cliff" of that now. There is no turning back, only slowing down.

 

Yawn, every generation since humans could read and write has always had its share of "end of the world is nigh" doom mongers.   Human civilization has always been on the precipice, especially so before we invented the technology to sanitize water, heal infections, to farm crops, and so on.   

On 6/21/2025 at 3:49 PM, Harrisfan said:

Temps fell in May

 

https://www.drroyspencer.com/

Yes Mr High IQ they may have but you’ve cherry picked weather. The subject of the OP is climate.

Do keep up oh brainy one.

5 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Yes Mr High IQ they may have but you’ve cherry picked weather. The subject of the OP is climate.

Do keep up oh brainy one.

Yes retard but the website covers climate 

55 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

So if there were less intelligent species on the planet that were not capable of harvesting natural resources for energy, what do you propose caused the climate change that has always existed on this planet in the past?   Do you think that dinosaurs were driving around in giant cars perhaps?  Or has climate change always happened with or without humans existing.   The good news for you is that this happens over hundreds of thousands/millions of years so there is a bit of time yet before the panic button needs to be hit.  

 

 

Yawn, every generation since humans could read and write has always had its share of "end of the world is nigh" doom mongers.   Human civilization has always been on the precipice, especially so before we invented the technology to sanitize water, heal infections, to farm crops, and so on.   

As I said earlier, climate change is only one factor in the destruction of the Earth's biosphere. And, yes, climate change has always occurred, but our use of technology, hubris, and overpopulation is just exacerbating that and speeding it up. The ocean filling up with plastic, land being filled up with non-degradable waste, and forests being cut down to build cities had not occurred prior to the appearance of humans. 

Wake up! Yes, every generation of humans has had its "end of the world" doom mongers, and, yes, we have always been on the precipice. We are today because we have invented technology to sanitize water (because we dump our waste into it), heal infections (giving us a longer life span, which contributes to overpopulation), and farm crops (using machinery, fertilizers, and insect repellants, all of which pollute). And, so on... 😞 

2 hours ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

 

 

Carbon Footprint (CO2 Emissions per Capita):

 

Australia    15.01

Canada      14.99

US               14.21

China          8.89

UK               5

 

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/

 

 

 

Which countries pollute the most ? 

 

Canada has as many people as a few cities in China. Per capita means nothing when 2 of the worst offenders make up 40 percent or more of the population

 

 

What delusion.

16 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Which countries pollute the most ? 

 

Canada has as many people as a few cities in China. Per capita means nothing when 2 of the worst offenders make up 40 percent or more of the population

 

 

What delusion.

 

Adjusting for population is a delusion...or an industry standard? 🤔

Just now, GanDoonToonPet said:

 

Adjusting for population is a delusion...or an industry standard? 🤔

 

Carry on then. 

3 hours ago, WDSmart said:

As I said earlier, climate change is only one factor in the destruction of the Earth's biosphere. And, yes, climate change has always occurred, but our use of technology, hubris, and overpopulation is just exacerbating that and speeding it up. The ocean filling up with plastic, land being filled up with non-degradable waste, and forests being cut down to build cities had not occurred prior to the appearance of humans. 

Wake up! Yes, every generation of humans has had its "end of the world" doom mongers, and, yes, we have always been on the precipice. We are today because we have invented technology to sanitize water (because we dump our waste into it), heal infections (giving us a longer life span, which contributes to overpopulation), and farm crops (using machinery, fertilizers, and insect repellants, all of which pollute). And, so on... 😞 

 

No, we didn't invent technology to sanitize water because we were "dumping our waste into it", it was invented to stop people (especially kids) dying from cholera, typhoid, and hepatitis etc.  The oceans are not "filling up with plastic", estimates suggest it is less than 0.000000003%.  Not ideal of course but excessive hyperbole just makes you sound a bit ridiculous really. 

On 6/21/2025 at 8:58 AM, newbee2022 said:

Does it mean you give a <deleted>e what your children or grand grand children will have to deal with?😱

Is it this "me first" attitude?😳

Yepp that's what it means, at least for me. I fon't care about other peoples (spoiled and rotten) offspring. If they made the choice to have children in this world, it is their problem not mine.

11 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

As a qualified engineer I have forgotten more science than you will ever know.

 When did engineers study the atmosphere or the relationship between photosynthesis and carbon uptake, or organic chemistry?

What type of engineer? Some people who drive trains call themselves an engineer. Others who collect trash are sanitation engineers.

There are many types of professional engineers. They can be civil or mechanical or chemical or software. so which one are you?  Chemical and Biomedical engineers tend to be rather proud of their education (and rightly so) and will typically differentiate themselves from the generic civil engineers.  So, what in your curriculum of training prepared you for an assessment of  atmospheric analysis? Are you building walkways between the clouds?

 

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 When did engineers study the atmosphere or the relationship between photosynthesis and carbon uptake, or organic chemistry?

What type of engineer? Some people who drive trains call themselves an engineer. Others who collect trash are sanitation engineers.

There are many types of professional engineers. They can be civil or mechanical or chemical or software. so which one are you?  Chemical and Biomedical engineers tend to be rather proud of their education (and rightly so) and will typically differentiate themselves from the generic civil engineers.  So, what in your curriculum of training prepared you for an assessment of  atmospheric analysis? Are you building walkways between the clouds?

 

When did people with little knowledge about anything get the ability to write?

On 6/22/2025 at 1:49 PM, James105 said:

 

They will need to invent a darker red I think as they have "shot their load" on the darkest available red for a mere 33 degrees.  Not sure what they can do if the temperatures get as high again as the heatwaves experienced in 1976 (which occurred before man made climate change was invented).    

 

Sounds like you don't believe them and I totally agree with you. Guess work at best and stupidity at worse

I always love pulling out this one.  From WaPo, no less:

 

 

I don't think they even realize how stupid they are to claim it's a warning of the consequences of human caused warming.

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, impulse said:

I always love pulling out this one.  From WaPo, no less:

 

 

I don't think they even realize how stupid they are to claim it's a warning of the consequences of human caused warming.

 

 

 

 

A straight line on a graph with a logarithmic scale...a new level of stupid 😂

 

The graph is useless without knowing the atmospheric concentration of CO2. Would you be surprised that, 50 million years ago, it was 1500-3500 ppm compared to the current 400 ppm? 🤔

In the 1970s the scare was of global cooling, caused by increased evaporation from the oceans leading to more cloud cover and increased albido.  (The feckless CIA was considering the possibility of establishing colonies on Mars to escape a coming ice age)

 

But now the global warming theory is irresistible as it is backed by Big Money.

 

However have the climate experts taken into account the following factors?

 

1.  In some times past with far higher CO2 levels the Earth was a much colder place;

 

2.  That warmer temperatures and higher CO2 levels encourage increased plant growth, producing more oxygen.  (Some commercial greenhouse growers purchase CO2 to increase the levels available to their crops)

 

3.  Many meteorological stations that were once surrounded by countryside are now embedded within urban sprawl where temperatures tend to be higher.

 

4.  Solar activity, which is cyclical, is a major determinant of climate.

 

5.  The calculated 0.027°C increase in temperature per year may be subject to questioning in view of the complexity of the many varied climates that exist throughout the world, often with considerable differences within a given region.

6 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

When did people with little knowledge about anything get the ability to write?

When the chat programs became accessible. Do you have a preferred program?

2 hours ago, ericbj said:

1.  In some times past with far higher CO2 levels the Earth was a much colder place;

 

2 hours ago, ericbj said:

4.  Solar activity, which is cyclical, is a major determinant of climate.

 

1 + 4 = the answer 🙂

Al Gore said the same 20yrs ago, we had the ozone layer BS too. How many aerosols were being used 12000 years ago to  melt all that ice?

On 6/22/2025 at 1:03 PM, Photoguy21 said:

As a qualified engineer I have forgotten more science than you will ever know.

You seem to have forgotten the laws of thermodynamics, which are the drivers of global warming and climate change.

Insurance companies believe in climate change.

 

Anyone living in a high risk area for storms, fires and floods knows that from their annual property insurance premiums.

 

Some properties are no longer insurable.

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Insurance companies believe in climate change.

 

Anyone living in a high risk area for storms, fires and floods knows that from their annual property insurance premiums.

 

Some properties are no longer insurable.

 

Nobody's denying that the climate is changing, just like it has for 4 billion years.  Long before humans and 454 Chevy engines.  And it will continue to change even after the zombie apocalypse.

 

I'm just not a keen fan of taking money out of my pocket and putting it into someone else's pocket to prevent a natural phenomenon.

 

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

When the chat programs became accessible. Do you have a preferred program?

Unlike yourself I am quite capable of putting a sentence together with meaning. You should try it sometime.

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You seem to have forgotten the laws of thermodynamics, which are the drivers of global warming and climate change.

You seem to have forgotten many things like the movement of the earth around the sun, gravitation etc.

38 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Unlike yourself I am quite capable of putting a sentence together with meaning. You should try it sometime.

And yet you still understood and were so concerned, perhaps motivated by insecurity, to offer a feeble attempt of rebuttal, that fell flat, much as I expect your career did.

2 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

You seem to have forgotten many things like the movement of the earth around the sun, gravitation etc.

Do you specialize in deflections and irrelevancies?

 

If you really are an engineer, I hope I am never on a bridge you built.

 

 

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

And yet you still understood and were so concerned, perhaps motivated by insecurity, to offer a feeble attempt of rebuttal, that fell flat, much as I expect your career did.

Have you seen your doctor lately? I think you need a few psychology sessions

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Do you specialize in deflections and irrelevancies?

 

If you really are an engineer, I hope I am never on a bridge you built.

 

 

No I look at what the realities are not the fantasy. You can live in your dream world it is your right to do that.