Early assessment suggests US strikes didn’t destroy Iran’s nuclear sites

[BarraMarra]

Funny how Biden always seems to crop up in these threads from Trump fans or blame Obama or Hillary lol.

[jerrymahoney]

10 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I never said he planned or coordinated the attack.  He just gave a good explanation of the mission.

No -- I was only asking you as someone (I believe) with a military background and would know who CENTCOM was -- as opposed it would seem to many on here.

 

Prior wartime CENTCOM commanders were Schwarzkopf and Petraeus who were hardly adverse to publicity.

 

But seems Kurilla and CENTCOM have gone on the QT.

[Hanaguma]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

As I understand it, it was 15 years of of planning that came to fruition, and it was executed flawlessly. 

 

 

Exactly. Listen to the General. The weapons used were designed specifically to target and eradicate Iran's nuclear facilities. And they did. 

 

And what is really sad is the near glee with which the deranged left sought to discredit the mission and downplay the success, all with the sole purpose of making Trump look bad.  This goes beyond politics, it is an issue of national (and indeed international) importance that Iran's nuclear programme is utterly shut down. And yet, political games have to be played.  Straws have to be grasped. "The Syndrome" rules all. 

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

"To me, it still appears that we have only set back the Iranian nuclear program by a handful of months. There’s no doubt there was damage done to the program, but the allegations that we have obliterated their program just don’t seem to stand up to reason.

 

I just do not think the president was telling the truth when he said this program was obliterated. There was certainly damaged done to the program, but there’s still significant remaining capability.

 

I walk away from that briefing still under the belief that that we have not obliterated the program. The president was deliberately misleading the public."

 

The words of Senator Chris Murphy, after attending today's classified briefing to Congress.  Trump lies again.

 

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/senator-emerges-from-classified-briefing-and-promptly-accuses-trump-of-deliberately-misleading-the-public-we-have-not-obliterated-the-programs/

Ah yes. Well known expert on military affairs Chris Murphy. Known for his reputation as a non-partisan and realistic member of Congress.

[BarraMarra]

Its nothing to do with Political games or the other BS given out the facts are its wrong to say it was " Obliterated" without sufficient 100% proof.

[TheAppletons]

9 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I remember Biden calling me garbage. 

 

  See?  He didn't have dementia after all.  

[jerrymahoney]

The ‘Biggest Threat to Opsec’

 

By then, a small group of top military officials at the Pentagon and U.S. Central Command in Tampa had already begun refining attack plans on the Fordo facility and other Iranian nuclear sites that military planners had drawn up years ago.

 

The planning was led by Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, the Centcom commander, and Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

 

But even as the military planning was being conducted in secrecy, each of Mr. Trump’s social media posts seemed to be telling the world what was coming.

 

The president, said one military official, was the “biggest threat to opsec,” or operational security, that the planning faced.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/22/us/politics/trump-iran-decision-strikes.html via

https://archive.ph/374Cz

 

 

[TheAppletons]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Ah yes. Well known expert on military affairs Chris Murphy. Known for his reputation as a non-partisan and realistic member of Congress.

 

  And your qualifications - other than gullible and willing to slurp Trump all day?

 

  Oh, that's right, you're an anonymous crank on a public internet bulletin board who didn't attend the classified briefing.

[BLMFem]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Exactly. Listen to the General. The weapons used were designed specifically to target and eradicate Iran's nuclear facilities. And they did. 

 

And what is really sad is the near glee with which the deranged left sought to discredit the mission and downplay the success, all with the sole purpose of making Trump look bad.  This goes beyond politics, it is an issue of national (and indeed international) importance that Iran's nuclear programme is utterly shut down. And yet, political games have to be played.  Straws have to be grasped. "The Syndrome" rules all. 

It was obviously a meticulously planned and well executed operation. However, doubts linger as to how effective it was and whether Iran managed to move material and equipment ahead of the attacks. This is, and should be, debated so please give the "syndrome" BS a rest, okay?

 

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Its nothing to do with Political games or the other BS given out the facts are its wrong to say it was " Obliterated" without sufficient 100% proof.

Trump is gonna Trump.

 

But a very biased reporter with a reputation for hyperbole and partisanship, who suddenly "obtains" a preliminary report, is hardly a reputable source either. Especially when she 'forgets' to write that her facts are based on a preliminary report leaked by an anti-Trumper.  

 

I will trust the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs personally. 

[BLMFem]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Ah yes. Well known expert on military affairs Chris Murphy. Known for his reputation as a non-partisan and realistic member of Congress.

As opposed to which other senator who was present at the classified briefing and who made statements afterwards?

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

As opposed to which other senator who was present at the classified briefing and who made statements afterwards?

I think Murphy's mad dash to the nearest camera speaks rather poorly of his integrity and credibility.  Better to assess the information with staff who have more expertise before mouthing off. 

 

But it is no surprise. 

[sqwakvfr]

7 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

No -- I was only asking you as someone (I believe) with a military background and would know who CENTCOM was -- as opposed it would seem to many on here.

 

Prior wartime CENTCOM commanders were Schwarzkopf and Petraeus who were hardly adverse to publicity.

 

But seems Kurilla and CENTCOM have gone on the QT.

Of course I know CENTCOM.  There are two type of General Officers: 1) The ones who get too much attention 2) The ones who get no attention. The latter are the one who get things  done.  In my last deployment to Astan  the ISAF commander was Lt Gen Eikenberry.  In 2009 he retired and Obama nominated him as the Afghan Ambassador.  He always maintained a high profile.  He definitely fit into the first category.  

[BarraMarra]

Obviously a Trump Hater says it all. Anyone that questions Trump is immediately classed as a Trump Hater. 

[BarraMarra]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I think Murphy's mad dash to the nearest camera speaks rather poorly of his integrity and credibility.  Better to assess the information with staff who have more expertise before mouthing off. 

 

But it is no surprise. 

you mean like

 

[BLMFem]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Trump is gonna Trump.

 

But a very biased reporter with a reputation for hyperbole and partisanship, who suddenly "obtains" a preliminary report, is hardly a reputable source either. Especially when she 'forgets' to write that her facts are based on a preliminary report leaked by an anti-Trumper.  

 

I will trust the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs personally. 

And I trust time, because time will tell. If we're lucky, this will be the end of the Iranian nuclear enrichment program, and possibly the end of the reign of the Mullahs (imagine Iran becoming a democratic ally to the West. That really wont go down well in Riyadh, Moscow or Beijing.).

If we're unlucky the Iranians are able to rebuild their plants in a truly impenetrable place and continue their work on obtaining a bomb.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Exactly. Listen to the General. The weapons used were designed specifically to target and eradicate Iran's nuclear facilities. And they did. 

 

And what is really sad is the near glee with which the deranged left sought to discredit the mission and downplay the success, all with the sole purpose of making Trump look bad.  This goes beyond politics, it is an issue of national (and indeed international) importance that Iran's nuclear programme is utterly shut down. And yet, political games have to be played.  Straws have to be grasped. "The Syndrome" rules all. 

They did exactly what they were intended to do. The latest damage assessment by IAEA is a must read and is a far closer rendition to Trumps claims than the dodgy CNN leaked report

[jerrymahoney]

13 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

Of course I know CENTCOM.  There are two type of General Officers: 1) The ones who get too much attention 2) The ones who get no attention. The latter are the one who get things  done.

In this operation Kurilla certainly got things done. But not even a centcom press release?

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Israel reportedly pushes for Iran strike before pro-Israel US CENTCOM chief Kurilla retires
All Israel News Staff | Published: April 20, 2025

 

Outgoing U.S. CENTCOM chief Gen. Michael Kurilla, who is a strong supporter of Israel, is a leading advocate for a joint U.S. and Israeli military strike on Iran’s nuclear sites, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

 

Since Kurilla’s term ends in a few months, Israeli officials reportedly seek a joint U.S. and Israeli military operation against Iran soon.

 

https://allisraelnews.com/israel-reportedly-pushes-for-iran-strike-before-pro-israel-us-centcom-chief-kurilla-retires

 

 

[BarraMarra]

Just now, BarraMarra said:

you mean like

 

You sure what info is being out out by your security top dogs. Just maybe you shouldn'y brag about future planned attacks by the US.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

you mean like

 

Oh absolutely.

 

I like JD, but he can be a bit of a windbag sometimes.  His mind seems set on 2028, not 2025 sometimes.

[sqwakvfr]

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

In this operation Kurilla certainly got things done. But not even a centcom press release?

Possibly just in case more strikes are needed?  Better to keep a low profile on this General?  Better to just keep Gen Kaine as the face of the operation(s).  

[Mike_Hunt]

20 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

It was obviously a meticulously planned and well executed operation. However, doubts linger as to how effective it was and whether Iran managed to move material and equipment ahead of the attacks. This is, and should be, debated so please give the "syndrome" BS a rest, okay?

 

You really want this to fail. Admit it.

[sqwakvfr]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Oh absolutely.

 

I like JD, but he can be a bit of a windbag sometimes.  His mind seems set on 2028, not 2025 sometimes.

A Norwegian tourist claims having this photo on his phone got him denied US entry. I mean it's funny but what is the harm if thsi story is actually true. 

[jerrymahoney]

Kurilla is scheduled to retire in July. There is 'low profile' and there is 'muzzle'.

[Jingthing]

44 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

How about watching the briefing given by Hesgeth and Gen. Dan Caine then. I've attatched it above.

Because they don't serve the people. They serve Trump. Surely you realize that by now.

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

A Norwegian tourist claims having this photo on his phone got him denied US entry. I mean it's funny but what is the harm if thsi story is actually true. 

 

 

Looks like Oyvind to me.

[BLMFem]

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You really want this to fail. Admit it.

You're wrong...again. As I have stated before the total destruction of Iran's nuclear program is the best outcome of the attack. If i turns out the Iranian are able to set up shop and continue elsewhere, that is the worst outcome.

I know you struggle with reading comprehension but I hope I've made myself clear.

[mogandave]

52 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Its nothing to do with Political games or the other BS given out the facts are its wrong to say it was " Obliterated" without sufficient 100% proof.

But the left can make up anything they like and say it with no proof, or even flat out lie, right?

[mogandave]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Because they don't serve the people. They serve Trump. Surely you realize that by now.

And CNN serves the people? 

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Funny how Biden always seems to crop up in these threads from Trump fans or blame Obama or Hillary lol.

Funny how the left tells the same lies over and over and over and over and over and over