BBC in Trouble again.

[frank83628]

4 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

@NanLaew  What do you mean by "not incited?"  Are you saying the crowd wasn't incited because they didn't actually try to kill members of the IDF?  Or do you mean chanting, "Death, death to the IDF" isn't a crime under the U.K. law against incitement to violence?

 

It wasn't just the "Death" chants that crossed the line.  Bobby  Vylan (real name Pascal Robinson-Foster) made other potentially criminal comments to the crowd, including an antisemitic rant about a Jewish recording exec with whom Robinson-Foster once worked.  It's the totality of remarks at Glastonbury, not just the chant, that could be considered incitement.

 

And if a chant of "Death, death to the IDF" isn't incitement to violence, what would you call it?

 

 

 

 

The BBC could be in trouble because its producers didn't interrupt the livestream of Bob Vylan's performance when  Robinson-Foster began with his hate-rap against Israel and Jews.   The BBC and all other TV and radio broadcasters have an intentional "broadcast delay" or "deferred live" function to stop illegal or offensive content from reaching viewers/listeners.  For a broadcast from a live event like Glastonbury, the delay would be about 30 seconds.  That would give technicians time to delete the unwanted footage or audio track or to substitute it with other footage/audio.  

 

The BBC will indeed face questions as to why it didn't mute the "Death to Israel" chants.  It's my understanding that the BBC uses a broadcast delay to mute "death" chants during football matches.  If football fans aren't allowed to call for the death of rival teams, why are Hamas fans allowed to call for the death of the IDF?

 

Would they face such criticism or scrutiny if it were pro Israel, pro Ukraine, pro NATO, anti China, anti Putin, i very much doubt it, either everything is allowed, or nothing is allowed

 

[NanLaew]

34 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

@NanLaew  What do you mean by "not incited?"  Are you saying the crowd wasn't incited because they didn't actually try to kill members of the IDF?  Or do you mean chanting, "Death, death to the IDF" isn't a crime under the U.K. law against incitement to violence?

 

It wasn't just the "Death" chants that crossed the line.  Bobby  Vylan (real name Pascal Robinson-Foster) made other potentially criminal comments to the crowd, including an antisemitic rant about a Jewish recording exec with whom Robinson-Foster once worked.  It's the totality of remarks at Glastonbury, not just the chant, that could be considered incitement.

 

And if a chant of "Death, death to the IDF" isn't incitement to violence, what would you call it?

 

 

 

 

The BBC could be in trouble because its producers didn't interrupt the livestream of Bob Vylan's performance when  Robinson-Foster began with his hate-rap against Israel and Jews.   The BBC and all other TV and radio broadcasters have an intentional "broadcast delay" or "deferred live" function to stop illegal or offensive content from reaching viewers/listeners.  For a broadcast from a live event like Glastonbury, the delay would be about 30 seconds.  That would give technicians time to delete the unwanted footage or audio track or to substitute it with other footage/audio.  

 

The BBC will indeed face questions as to why it didn't mute the "Death to Israel" chants.  It's my understanding that the BBC uses a broadcast delay to mute "death" chants during football matches.  If football fans aren't allowed to call for the death of rival teams, why are Hamas fans allowed to call for the death of the IDF?

 

 

He said, "Death, death to the IDF." Nothing about death to Israel or Jews. Nothing anti-Semitic here, move along now.

[Evil Penevil]

59 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Would they face such criticism or scrutiny if it were pro Israel, pro Ukraine, pro NATO, anti China, anti Putin, i very much doubt it, either everything is allowed, or nothing is allowed

 

It's not a matter of being pro- or anti-Israel or any other country or cause.  By law, the BBC and other broadcasters are obligated to prevent certain types of content from reaching viewers/listeners.  One aspect is that hate speech, whether racist, chauvinistic, antisemitic, Islamophobic, homophobic, misogynistic or whatever,  should not be "normalized" by its inclusion in entertainment programming.  Young people and impressionable adults could believe such language is acceptable because they heard it on TV.

 

I bolded entertainment to stress a different set of rules apply to news broadcasts.  It's acceptable for the BBC to broadcast video footage in a news program of the crowd because that's what happened. News reporting will include reactions and influential Brits have been strongly critical of Robinson-Foster's hate rap and chants.  It is not acceptable for Robinson-Foster to include hate speech and death chants in a music performance.

[Evil Penevil]

 

28 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

He said, "Death, death to the IDF." Nothing about death to Israel or Jews. 

 

Wow!  You have a very high tolerance of antisemitic speech if you don't consider a chant of "Death, death to the IDF" to be antisemitic.  Jews make up 99% of the IDF and its function is to protect the world's only Jewish majority state and homeland of the world's Jews from destruction.  The IDF has 170,000 active-duty personnel and 465,000 reservists.  If you are wishing death  to the IDF, you'd have to kill a lot of Israeli Jews.  And the death of the IDF would leave Israeli civilians defenseless against a second Holocaust.

 

Moreover, Robinson-Foster's antisemitic remarks weren't limited to the "Death, death to the IDF" chant.  He even included a specific  British Jewish individual in his attacks.  Again I have to ask:  if that's not antisemitism, what is it?

 

28 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Nothing anti-Semitic here, move along now.

 

Plenty that's antisemitic here.  Don't move along; never again is now.

[frank83628]

29 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

It's not a matter of being pro- or anti-Israel or any other country or cause.  By law, the BBC and other broadcasters are obligated to prevent certain types of content from reaching viewers/listeners.  One aspect is that hate speech, whether racist, chauvinistic, antisemitic, Islamophobic, homophobic, misogynistic or whatever,  should not be "normalized" by its inclusion in entertainment programming.  Young people and impressionable adults could believe such language is acceptable because they heard it on TV.

 

I bolded entertainment to stress a different set of rules apply to news broadcasts.  It's acceptable for the BBC to broadcast video footage in a news program of the crowd because that's what happened. News reporting will include reactions and influential Brits have been strongly critical of Robinson-Foster's hate rap and chants.  It is not acceptable for Robinson-Foster to include hate speech and death chants in a music performance.

Try your own words rather than AI

[Evil Penevil]

Just now, frank83628 said:

Try your own words rather than AI

    Sorry to disappoint you, but those are my very own words.  I eagerly await your own words in answer to the points I made.  Or don't you have an answer?

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, Evil Penevil said:

    Sorry to disappoint you, but those are my very own words.  I eagerly await your own words in answer to the points I made.  Or don't you have an answer?

That was ai, copy n paste, so no, i dont have an answer to a bot, if i see you contribute more often i might

[Evil Penevil]

17 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

That was ai, copy n paste, so no, i dont have an answer to a bot, if i see you contribute more often i might

 

That was definitely not copy and paste.  I don't know why you believe that.  I do know why you would say it.

[BarraMarra]

For all you numties listen to what this so called Musician said he shouted  "Aye but have you heard this one " then he shouts death death to the IDF this idiot hasn't even bothered to apologise. Arrest him and charge him for incitement. Incidentally Sidiq Kahn told us all any protesters waving a Palastine flag or any Hamas supporting insignia will be arrested.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

But that wouldn't suggest that you have NFI, would it Nick.

 

   You have lost me

What do you want to say ?

Start again from the beginning 

[frank83628]

37 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

For all you numties listen to what this so called Musician said he shouted  "Aye but have you heard this one " then he shouts death death to the IDF this idiot hasn't even bothered to apologise. Arrest him and charge him for incitement. Incidentally Sidiq Kahn told us all any protesters waving a Palastine flag or any Hamas supporting insignia will be arrested.

If he said death to trump would you have made a post about it? What about death to Putin? Death to Stamer, farrage, Greta, bill gates, George Soros, how about death to Paul gadd?, death to Joe rogan, Katy Hopkins.... no, you would be silent.  

[chickenslegs]

I never thought I would agree with Noel Gallagher ...

[frank83628]

43 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

For all you numties listen to what this so called Musician said he shouted  "Aye but have you heard this one " then he shouts death death to the IDF this idiot hasn't even bothered to apologise. Arrest him and charge him for incitement. Incidentally Sidiq Kahn told us all any protesters waving a Palastine flag or any Hamas supporting insignia will be arrested.

And what does that matter to you? How offended are you by some 20yr old hip hop member you have literrally no common ground with, you could be his grandfather.

[josephbloggs]

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

There  will be no Glastonbury festival next year

True, and it nothing to do with this.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

True, and it nothing to do with this.

 

   I didn't say or even suggest that it was 

[Nick Carter icp]

Bob Vylian was up on stage at Glastonbury sympathising about how hard life is and how life in a constant struggle and how unfair life is .

   He was telling that to rich middle class students who spent 400 Quid on a ticket .

   The poor people he was going on about wouldn't be able to afford to attend the concerts 

[BarraMarra]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

If he said death to trump would you have made a post about it? What about death to Putin? Death to Stamer, farrage, Greta, bill gates, George Soros, how about death to Paul gadd?, death to Joe rogan, Katy Hopkins.... no, you would be silent.  

Give it a rest Frank your making a fool of yourself by the way your forgetting Hillary you might as well throw her name in the ring.

[BarraMarra]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

And what does that matter to you? How offended are you by some 20yr old hip hop member you have literrally no common ground with, you could be his grandfather.

Bore off Frank if you have to start throwing insults about members theres only one place your going.