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16 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Thats nothing money.

@Celsius Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer me, genuinely grateful for that I appreciate it. That said, if you don’t mind, Im curious to hear your thoughts on the actual questions I asked in the post. That way I can get more insights.

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I meant its nothing for starting a legal business in Thailand, let alone Phuket.

 

My wife worked for a few foreigners between jobs. The bosses never used their own money, of course it was shareholder money with a nice story and presentation about booming business in a 3rd world country. One company after 10 years in country is still struggling to make a profit, but some reason they keep getting the capital from the fools.

 

How do you expect to achieve all this that you listed without thais getting in your way? The Russians and others are operating businesses illegally so their biggest loss is deportation or in a better scenario money under the table.

 

I just left thailand after 15 years and saved 500,000 Canadian while I was where. I never even considered putting my money in this country which has huge barriers for foreign businesses. Its just crazy to even consider transferring the money to "invest" in Thailand. 

 

I saved by buying a property in Canada and letting others pay my mortgage. I also opened Amazon account and did FBA and dropshipping. I came to thailand with less than 100k Canadian in cash. I never transferred any money except for living expenses.

 

What you have is a dream and not a realistic scenario. Don't bring money into Thailand. Its a financial suicide.

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How old are you? If you are retired, come spend some months shopping and see what you think. 

 

Lease a guest house with a restaurant for a year or two and see how you do with that.  

 

The country is full of plots of land in the middle of nowhere with small accommodations built on them that are 90% vacant. 

 

You are way undercapitalized for what you want to do. A bar or guest house maybe. 

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Unfortunately you will get  a very negative response from many here because they are involved with Pattaya sex pat environment. But yes you can set this up, but certian areas are better than others.

There are a few options. 

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34 minutes ago, rikiderorck said:

What I understand so far is that a foreigner can own up to 49 percent of a Thai company, and that company can own land, while the remaining 51 percent must be Thai-owned. If anyone here knows the facts for sure or has gone through  this process, please confirm or correct that for me.

Yes, you can buy property through the method you describe.

Though it would be advised to hold back on the dreams until you’ve spent a good amount of time getting the lay of the scape first, like a couple few years and starting out small and changing things up on the fly.

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4 minutes ago, rikiderorck said:

@Celsius Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer me, genuinely grateful for that I appreciate it. That said, if you don’t mind, Im curious to hear your thoughts on the actual questions I asked in the post. That way I can get more insights.

That you are on a chat board asking legal questions says a lot.

 

You can buy a 49-51 business, but who is going to be your partner? 

 

I do not believe you do not have the capital for a BOI registered business, and I doubt very much tourist accommodations would meet the criteria for approval. The BOI has a great website. in English. 

 

Many businesses are fronts for illegal activity. Go to a business, watch it and take notes. Many do not make enough to pay the rent, much less the staff. 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That you are on a chat board asking legal questions says a lot.

 

You can buy a 49-51 business, but who is going to be your partner? 

 

I do not believe you do not have the capital for a BOI registered business, and I doubt very much tourist accommodations would meet the criteria for approval. The BOI has a great website. in English. 

 

Many businesses are fronts for illegal activity. Go to a business, watch it and take notes. Many do not make enough to pay the rent, much less the staff. 

 

Thanks for the reply. I'm in my thirties and plan to come with a family member in his fifties. I was thinking about Phuket but right now I'm just trying to collect as much clear info as possible.

I stayed in Phuket town for six months about a year ago. Didn't go near Patong for long-term living. After that I went back home and started talking to my family to see who might want to join.

Of course we're still cautious. That’s part of the process. If it was simple and risk-free everyone would be doing it.

I posted here because I believe even in forums like this I can get useful information. Maybe not always perfect, but enough to help shape the next steps. I'm in the preparation stage and never claimed to be fully ready. I’m here to gather knowledge, there will be good and bad input, I get that, but I’m hoping some of it will be genuinely helpful.

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1 minute ago, simon43 said:

 

 

As for setting up tourist accommodation, I have done this 4 times in Phuket (I built the original Phuket airport hotel, then Phuket Airport 24/7 Hotel, Phuket airport Overnight Hotel and Phuket Airport Bed & Breakfast). But on each occasion I leased the land long-term, rather than trying to do some 'fiddle' to own it!

 

You forgot to include the most important part. It was all taken from you.

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4 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

You forgot to include the most important part. It was all taken from you.

See my amended post above. 1 business was 'stolen'.  1 business was sold for a healthy profit and the 2 other businesses were gifted to my thai ex'es (not a divorce settlement).  1 of those hotels is still trading just fine 🙂

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Why not talk with a lawyer in Phuket? They should have all the correct information for you.

 

Land in Thailand anywhere near anything of interest is outrageously expensive. I would look at the land prices first before you do anything else.

 

Just look at those prices. I bet you would need 1 million Euro to get something in a tourist area. It's no joke.

 

https://www.thailand-property.com/land-for-sale/phuket

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If I was in my thirties, I would try to figure out how to generate income online and become a digital nomad.

 

Although it may not be easy to generate a lot of income online, the advantages are no need to risk massive investment, and possibly be cheated down the line. 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That you are on a chat board asking legal questions says a lot.

 

You can buy a 49-51 business, but who is going to be your partner? 

 

I do not believe you do not have the capital for a BOI registered business, and I doubt very much tourist accommodations would meet the criteria for approval. The BOI has a great website. in English. 

 

Many businesses are fronts for illegal activity. Go to a business, watch it and take notes. Many do not make enough to pay the rent, much less the staff. 

 

 

 

 

I wouldnt say 'illegal activity' as in implying  drugs, scams etc, more nominee companies so the farrang can stay long term on non b visas or subvert the rules to live here, practically everyone i know has this type of company set up. However, now there is a bit of a crack down

Posted
1 hour ago, rikiderorck said:

a solid six-figure amount saved and I’m planning to move to Phuket to start a small tourism business

 

Not really enough to fulfill the dream of opening a bar.

 

Have you considered buying a tuk-tuk?

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40 minutes ago, rikiderorck said:

 

 

Thanks for the reply. I'm in my thirties and plan to come with a family member in his fifties. I was thinking about Phuket but right now I'm just trying to collect as much clear info as possible.

I stayed in Phuket town for six months about a year ago. Didn't go near Patong for long-term living. After that I went back home and started talking to my family to see who might want to join.

Of course we're still cautious. That’s part of the process. If it was simple and risk-free everyone would be doing it.

I posted here because I believe even in forums like this I can get useful information. Maybe not always perfect, but enough to help shape the next steps. I'm in the preparation stage and never claimed to be fully ready. I’m here to gather knowledge, there will be good and bad input, I get that, but I’m hoping some of it will be genuinely helpful.

The hardest thing is to keep staff. You training them, put responsibility on them, and they disappear. Very few I know managed to avoid staff leaving especially during stressful and critical time for high seasons. 

 

It is possible, but it will take you a few years to understand the working culture here. Language barriers is one problem, and the few I know who made it speaks decent Thai, and also have a Thai wife who carry the burden with respect and dignity against the workers. 

 

Another thing, you can not work as a guide or dj and your possibilities for what you physically can do is limited. Im also making plans for building a business when I will come back, but I know my limitations. For every baht I invest, I will invest another two to make it pay back for the daily day to day expenses, and I'm sure I will never see the money again, except my wife will have a piece of valuable land in return, and maybe a business she can run in future without me. 

 

Good luck

 

I would rather put my savings in BTC than a a Thai company coming in fresh from without any experience at all. And I personally will never invest in btc, that should tell you what I think about your plans.

 

You make business for your Thai wife or family, not for your self. Very few succeeded. Conti ue to make your six siffers abroad spend it in Thailand. Best advise you will have today

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30 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The hardest thing is to keep staff. You training them, put responsibility on them, and they disappear. Very few I know managed to avoid staff leaving especially during stressful and critical time for high seasons. 

 

It is possible, but it will take you a few years to understand the working culture here. Language barriers is one problem, and the few I know who made it speaks decent Thai, and also have a Thai wife who carry the burden with respect and dignity against the workers. 

 

Another thing, you can not work as a guide or dj and your possibilities for what you physically can do is limited. Im also making plans for building a business when I will come back, but I know my limitations. For every baht I invest, I will invest another two to make it pay back for the daily day to day expenses, and I'm sure I will never see the money again, except my wife will have a piece of valuable land in return, and maybe a business she can run in future without me. 

 

Good luck

 

I would rather put my savings in BTC than a a Thai company coming in fresh from without any experience at all. And I personally will never invest in btc, that should tell you what I think about your plans.

 

You make business for your Thai wife or family, not for your self. Very few succeeded. Conti ue to make your six siffers abroad spend it in Thailand. Best advise you will have today

Thank you sir, really genuine and honest opinion . I’ll keep your points in mind. Unfortunately, I’m not into the whole Thai wife thing or really interested in Asians in general , just not my style, to be honest. I’m heading there for business, not for personal relationships.

 

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What you want to do is possible.

But I suggest you take your time and spend a year here before investing in anything.

In that year learn to speak Thai.

 

If you don’t you will end up relying on a Thai who can speak a English to organize nearly everything for you and they will probably charge you a lot more than what you need to pay and/or mess everything completely up.

 

I know you don’t want to but ask yourself if you could not speak any English in your country would it be optimal to start a business there?

 

Learning Thai would reduce the odds of failure a lot.

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18 minutes ago, rikiderorck said:

Thank you sir, really genuine and honest opinion . I’ll keep your points in mind. Unfortunately, I’m not into the whole Thai wife thing or really interested in Asians in general , just not my style, to be honest. I’m heading there for business, not for personal relationships.

 

Then your first task is to find a reliable Thai business partner who will own the 51%. While doing that, learn to read and speak Thai.

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I’ve seen countless expats go through the same maze you’ll soon be facing, so let me give you the practical realities in the simplest terms I possibly can. Aliens still cannot own Thai land in their own names, and the state is cracking down on the ‘nominee’ work-arounds. Phuket’s been the centre of some high-profile inquiries in the past, with the Ministry of Commerce and the BOI publicly prosecuting companies which use Thai paper shareholders.

 

Form a true Thai company. You are allowed to own up to a maximum of forty-nine percent of the shares, there must be at least one true Thai partner (typically multiple ones in the majority). The company can buy the land, but is required to meet Foreign Business Act requirements and show genuine business activity, payroll tax, social security for the staff, proper bookkeeping, annual audit, etc. If the inspectors find out your Thai partners are paper tigers, the land is liable to be confiscated and the directors prosecuted.

 

Apply for BOI promotion. Tourism-related projects that bring significant foreign currency or promote “creative economy” activities sometimes qualify for full foreign ownership of the business, and, under the December 2024 BOI notification, limited land ownership for office and residential use is now possible. BOI status also streamlines work-permit and visa processes, but the bar is high: you must hit minimum-investment thresholds, present a solid business plan, and file quarterly reports.

 

Take a long-term lease plus a right of superficies. The usual structure is a 30-year lease, with one or two renewals written in, paired with a registered superficies so you legally own the buildings you erect. It gives you effective control for 60–90 years without violating land-ownership rules, and it is widely accepted by Thai banks and courts if drafted correctly. Talk to someone like Sebastien H. Brousseau. He knows property law.

Instead of buying raw land, buy a resort-style condominium project. You can own the units in full and then lease them to an operating company if your model is able to function like serviced apartments with common facilities. It bypasses restrictions on the land but is restricted to projects where the foreign quotient (forty-nine percent of saleable area) is still available.

 

Avoid the "small events on the side" until you comprehend licensing. Even an evening of a DJ can invoke hotel-plus-entertainment licences, liquor licenses, neighborhood noise curfews, and excise-tax registration. Neighbors object; police show up. Budget for the eventualities.

Work-permit and visa fundamentals. You must have a non-immigrant “B” visa (or BOI sponsorship category) first, prior to the issuance of a work permit. You cannot convert a retirement visa to a work permit. You must display two Thai workers for every foreign if you are the spouse of Thai national; otherwise four. The workers must be on social security and must be paid minimum of the area minimum wage. Include an estimate of 120 000 THB in the cost of government fees, legal drafting, and accounting to establish the compliant company, secure the visa, and grant yourself a one-year work permit. Renewals on an annual basis cost approximately half of the foregoing if your books are in order.

 

How are the other foreigners doing it? The honest ones are doing some variation of the options outlined above. The unscrupulous ones are still utilizing nominee structures, but the heat is so intense that what once constituted “customary practice” five years ago now attracts hefty penalties in the form of fines, deportation, and asset forfeiture. If somebody tells you “everybody does it” without bringing up up-to-date legal opinions, do you think to yourself. "goodbye"?

 

Action plan. Use some of your funds to do a comprehensive feasibility study through a Thai lawyer or good legal advisor like I suggested. Perhaps even a tax advisor. Chart the figures for each structure. startup cost, yearly compliance, exit strategy. When you have your preferred path, fix the land through a conditional reservation agreement while your team does due diligence over title, zoning, environmental laws. Good luck turning that six-figure fortune into a restaurant that is approved by inspectors and lets you fret over creating an unparalleled experience for the guests.

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13 hours ago, frank83628 said:

I wouldnt say 'illegal activity' as in implying  drugs, scams etc, more nominee companies so the farrang can stay long term on non b visas or subvert the rules to live here, practically everyone i know has this type of company set up. However, now there is a bit of a crack down

Except that I meant that: "Many businesses are fronts for illegal activity. Go to a business, watch it and take notes. Many do not make enough to pay the rent, much less the staff."

 

I was not talking about people that set up companies to buy homes and whatnot. 

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19 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

You can buy a 49-51 business, but who is going to be your partner? 

 

 

@Yellowtail, Thanks for that point, you're right, I really do need to think carefully about who the partner would be if I go the 49-51 route. That’s why I also been looking into BOI, since it doesn’t require a Thai partner. 

 

19 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I do not believe you do not have the capital for a BOI registered business

 

Actually, after researching more deeply, I found that the official requirements for BOI approval only call for a minimum paid-in capital of 1,000,000 THB, and at least 3 promoters. This is stated on several official and legal resources (including the BOI's own material and secondary legal references like

 

). Since I have a six-figure amount saved, I believe I meet that threshold , unless I’m misunderstanding something. If you’re aware of a specific clause or regulation that contradicts this, I would be really greatful it if you could point it out.

 

19 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

and I doubt very much tourist accommodations would meet the criteria for approval.

 

Here again, I went through the BOI promotional categories and found this section on Tourism Industry: Page 131 – Division 4 " 10.8 Tourism promotion services 10.9 Activities to support tourism" . Got it from here :       https://www.boi.go.th/upload/section4_en_wt_link.pdf

 

It is clear to me that tourism-related services are included in the eligible sectors. Of course, I understand that not every small tourism setup will qualify, and the business model needs to be aligned with the BOI’s strategic goals. But based on what I read, there is at least a formal channel for it under the tourism category.

If you seen that this category has hidden exclusions or practical barriers to approval, I would really love to know

 

Again, not trying to be defensive , just making sure I’m not missing anything important. Thanks again btw. 

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20 minutes ago, rikiderorck said:
20 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

You can buy a 49-51 business, but who is going to be your partner? 

 

 

@Yellowtail, Thanks for that point, you're right, I really do need to think carefully about who the partner would be if I go the 49-51 route. That’s why I also been looking into BOI, since it doesn’t require a Thai partner. 

 

20 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I do not believe you do not have the capital for a BOI registered business

 

Actually, after researching more deeply, I found that the official requirements for BOI approval only call for a minimum paid-in capital of 1,000,000 THB, and at least 3 promoters. This is stated on several official and legal resources (including the BOI's own material and secondary legal references like

 

). Since I have a six-figure amount saved, I believe I meet that threshold , unless I’m misunderstanding something. If you’re aware of a specific clause or regulation that contradicts this, I would be really greatful it if you could point it out.

 

20 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

and I doubt very much tourist accommodations would meet the criteria for approval.

 

Here again, I went through the BOI promotional categories and found this section on Tourism Industry: Page 131 – Division 4 " 10.8 Tourism promotion services 10.9 Activities to support tourism" . Got it from here :       https://www.boi.go.th/upload/section4_en_wt_link.pdf

 

It is clear to me that tourism-related services are included in the eligible sectors. Of course, I understand that not every small tourism setup will qualify, and the business model needs to be aligned with the BOI’s strategic goals. But based on what I read, there is at least a formal channel for it under the tourism category.

If you seen that this category has hidden exclusions or practical barriers to approval, I would really love to know

 

Again, not trying to be defensive , just making sure I’m not missing anything important. Thanks again btw. 

 

@Yellowtail
Just wanted to go back with an update after going over things more carefully. You were correct to challenge me on the BOI angle. When I first saw categories like “Tourism Promotion Services” and “Activities to Support Tourism” (section 10.8 / 10.9 in the BOI PDF), https://www.boi.go.th/upload/section4_en_wt_link.pdf  ......  I thought maybe I could fit under that category. But once I really broke it down, it became clear to me those categories are targeting much larger-scale projects , things like theme parks, convention centers, cultural museums, etc.

The model I had in mind is a lot leaner: renting land (not buying), building a few small units, and organizing direct experiences for guests who book from abroad , airport pickups, island tours, maybe some small events. basically No major real estate play, no massive capital injection as of course the funds I have cant allow that. From everything I now see, that kind of setup just doesn’t meet the scope or the scale that BOI  to be built for.

So yeah, thanks for pushing that point , it made me reassess the path more honestly. So a small recap, based on what I learned now, I’ll probably have to exclude the BOI route for what I want to do and start focusing more seriously on other setups , like lease + superficies, the 49/51 route (with the right legal structuring and all the other requirements), .. The  Nominee route, m not into those illegal gray routes , tbh.

Anyways, If you have any further thoughts on how others have navigated something similar, please consider sharing them , as you can see it really helps moving things on. I’m not looking to be stubborn , I’m just sharing the full breakdown here so that anyone else reading doesn’t walk away with the wrong idea about what qualifies for BOI. I’m only here to find the right, legal, and workable approach even if it takes time to get there.

 

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You need to consult a lawer; because if you think you will get a straight answer on this forum then you DEFINITELY should not be doing business in Thailand; least of that sh!thole Phuket which lost ALL it's charm decades ago.

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7 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

You need to consult a lawer; because if you think you will get a straight answer on this forum then you DEFINITELY should not be doing business in Thailand; least of that sh!thole Phuket which lost ALL it's charm decades ago.

Of course, I’ll consult a lawyer, that’s a given. What I’m trying to do here is get a broad understanding of the topics beforehand, so when I actually meet with a lawyer, I’m better prepared and won’t be completely lost or confused. Google helps, but it’s not enough on its own. I need real back-and-forth in forums, to hear the “no’s” and the reasons why. That interaction is part of the process for me. I m doing other routes as well in real time, just for your knoweldge..

Actually, I’m planning to meet with several experts, not just one lawyer, to get different perspectives. Anyways. 

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5 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Just have someone kick you in the nuts several times every day.

 

Or take your six figures and burn it.

 

Same as opening your business in Thailand as a farang.

I put advice like yours in its own category because deep down, I know there’s some truth to what you’re saying. It’s always interesting to hear different opinions. But I do wish you could share some context or examples, that will help me understand the details better and know what to expect. It wouldn’t just help me, but also anyone else who reads the forum. There will be many people in the same situation, whether in a day, a month, or a year. Imagine how all those shared experiences and examples could create a solid resource database for everyone. 

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