Another brilliant idea from the Trump administration

[CallumWK]

Trump insists that companies in the US now use real cane sugar in their products instead of fructose. While at the same time slapping up to 50% tariffs on the countries that the US imports cane sugar from.

 

The world's biggest sugarcane producers are Brazil and India, followed by China, Thailand

 

 

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cokes-shift-cane-sugar-expensive-191618706.html

 

The Corn Refiners Association said the complete elimination of high fructose corn syrup from the U.S. food and beverage supply would cut corn prices by up to 34 cents a bushel, resulting in a loss of $5.1 billion in farm revenue.

 

Trump's ongoing trade wars, however, would make it difficult to cover the deficit, sugar analyst Michael McDougall said.

"It will most likely come from Brazil," he said, referring to the world's top cane sugar producer, "but Trump just hit Brazil with a 50% import tariff."

 

Coke's shift to cane sugar would be expensive, hurt US farmers

[impulse]

Yeah.  Cause the cost of imported sugar should be the main driver for removing high fructose corn syrup, with all its health issues.

 

I commend Trump for taking on King Corn.  It's 30 years past time that somebody did.  Of course, they'll just funnel more into the ethanol scam though, I doubt they pay as much as the food processors do.

 

 

[DezLez]

28 minutes ago, impulse said:

Cause the cost of imported sugar should be the main driver for removing high fructose corn syrup, with all its health issues.

If there is a health issue should health not be used as the reason for it's replacement rather than cost?

Cost could then be quoted as a side befit!

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Yeah.  Cause the cost of imported sugar should be the main driver for removing high fructose corn syrup, with all its health issues.

 

I commend Trump for taking on King Corn.  It's 30 years past time that somebody did.  Of course, they'll just funnel more into the ethanol scam though, I doubt they pay as much as the food processors do.

You’re applauding Trump for taking on King Corn...
By hyping a more expensive, imported ingredient —
In a product he doesn’t drink —
That the company hasn’t even agreed to change.

Health experts agree: cane sugar and HFCS are nutritionally similar — neither is “healthy.”
And you're calling it a win?

Food-grade corn must meet tighter specs than ethanol — hence they pay more.
And the kicker? Imported sugar runs straight against Trump’s own tariff policies, “America First” rhetoric, and his endless love for U.S. farmers.

He’s undercutting them — just to pose with a bottle he doesn’t even drink.

That’s not reform — it’s cosplay.

[impulse]

50 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Health experts agree: cane sugar and HFCS are nutritionally similar — neither is “healthy.”

 

You apparently haven't been following the HFCS controversy very long.

 

Those "health care experts" are probably like the paid shills who told us for years that there were no side effects to the mRNAs and that you can't catch Covid if you get the mRNA.  They're paid by King Korn instead of Big Pharma, though there's a lot of overlap.

 

[CallumWK]

48 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You apparently haven't been following the HFCS controversy very long.

 

 

I'm sure you will be able to point to some negative studies about HFCS, probably promoted by conspiracy theorist Kennedy.

 

But here is what the FDA has to say about the subject.

 

Is cane sugar or high-fructose corn syrup healthier?

Some studies have linked high-fructose corn syrup to elevated fat production and inflammation.

However, the FDA notes on its website that while it receives many inquiries asking about the safety of high-fructose corn syrup, the agency is not aware of any evidence that there is a difference in safety “between foods containing HFCS 42 or HFCS 55 and foods containing similar amounts of other nutritive sweeteners with approximately equal glucose and fructose content, such as sucrose, honey, or other traditional sweeteners.”

Overall, health experts advise against consuming too much of any type of sweetener or added sugars as health risks can include weight gain, Type 2 diabetes and heart disease.

 

Point is that cane sugar is more expensive, and that price will increase even more after all companies start ordering it.

On top of that, most of the cane sugar has to be imported, and Trump slapped a 50% tariff on the countries that are the 3 largest exporters in the world.

 

[impulse]

8 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

But here is what the FDA has to say about the subject.

 

Who controls the FDA?  King Korn, that's who.  They have for decades.

 

Why do you think a low income country like Mexico uses real sugar in their soft drinks instead of the cheaper HFCS?  If Mexicans can afford it, I suspect Americans can, too. 

 

In fact had Biden or Obama accomplished the same, they'd be getting praise from all the lefties and health nuts and the greenies.  But since it's Trump...

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

14 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Trump insists that companies in the US now use real cane sugar in their products instead of fructose.

"Trump insists..."

Nonsense, he has not.

[CallumWK]

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

Why do you think a low income country like Mexico uses real sugar in their soft drinks instead of the cheaper HFCS?  If Mexicans can afford it, I suspect Americans can, too. 

 

You should refrain from posting more MAGA lies, because Mexico doesn't use can sugar for local soft drink production for the past 14 years.

 

They only use it for the coke they export to the US, and it is because they don't need to import it like the US, and get slapped with a 50% tariff on top.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Coke

 

The Coca-Cola Company originally imported the Mexican-produced version into the U.S. primarily to sell it to Mexican immigrants who grew up with that formula.^[2] Mexican Coke was first sold at grocers who served Latino clientele, but as its popularity grew among non-Latinos, by 2009 larger chains like Costco, Sam's Club and Kroger began to stock it.^[2] Since then it has become readily available at grocery stores throughout the United States.^[13]

A 2012 scientific analysis of Mexican Coke^[14] found no sucrose (standard sugar), but instead found total fructose and glucose levels similar to other soft drinks sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup, though in different ratios,^[5] but a response to that study said that sucrose hydrolises to its components in acid environments very fast.^[15][16]

In 2013, a Mexican Coca-Cola bottler announced it would stop using cane sugar in favor of glucose-fructose syrup, to comply with changes to the Mexican food labeling law.^[17] It later clarified this change would not affect those bottles specifically exported to the United States as "Coca-Cola Nostalgia" products.^[4]

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

You should refrain from posting more MAGA lies, because Mexico doesn't use can sugar for local soft drink production for the past 14 years.

 

They only use it for the coke they export to the US, and it is because they don't need to import it like the US, and get slapped with a 50% tariff on top.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Coke

 

The Coca-Cola Company originally imported the Mexican-produced version into the U.S. primarily to sell it to Mexican immigrants who grew up with that formula.^[2] Mexican Coke was first sold at grocers who served Latino clientele, but as its popularity grew among non-Latinos, by 2009 larger chains like Costco, Sam's Club and Kroger began to stock it.^[2] Since then it has become readily available at grocery stores throughout the United States.^[13]

A 2012 scientific analysis of Mexican Coke^[14] found no sucrose (standard sugar), but instead found total fructose and glucose levels similar to other soft drinks sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup, though in different ratios,^[5] but a response to that study said that sucrose hydrolises to its components in acid environments very fast.^[15][16]

In 2013, a Mexican Coca-Cola bottler announced it would stop using cane sugar in favor of glucose-fructose syrup, to comply with changes to the Mexican food labeling law.^[17] It later clarified this change would not affect those bottles specifically exported to the United States as "Coca-Cola Nostalgia" products.^[4]

 

 Good catch.  I just recall all the times I used to head down to Mexico for bass fishing and SCUBA diving, back when it had real sugar.  As I recall, it had less of a sticky after taste.

 

I wonder if that has anything to do with increase obesity in Mexico?

 

I still contend that Obama or Biden would have been held up as heroes had they done it.

 

[CallumWK]

Just now, impulse said:

I wonder if that has anything to do with increase obesity in Mexico?

 

HFCS and cane sugar attributed exactly the same to obesity if consumed in similar quantities. Plenty of credible studies about that 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

You apparently haven't been following the HFCS controversy very long.

 

Those "health care experts" are probably like the paid shills who told us for years that there were no side effects to the mRNAs and that you can't catch Covid if you get the mRNA.  They're paid by King Korn instead of Big Pharma, though there's a lot of overlap.

 

You obviously know nothing about biochemistry.

Glucose and fructose are both sugar and share the same formula — C₆H₁₂O₆.
Your body doesn’t care what plant they came from.
It’s about how much you consume — not some fantasy toxin hiding only in HFCS.

Even your MAHA roadkill brainworm has to admit:

"Whether it comes from corn syrup or cane sugar, too much sugar is poison."
"Cane sugar is not a health food."

But sure — keep calling it a win, while Trump chugs Diet Coke and hypes a bottle he doesn’t even touch.

Sweet, isn’t it?

[impulse]

8 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

You obviously know nothing about biochemistry.

Glucose and fructose are both sugar and share the same formula — C₆H₁₂O₆.
Your body doesn’t care what plant they came from.

 

Are you claiming that HFCS, beet sugar and cane sugar have no other components than C₆H₁₂O₆?  And that they are chemically indistinguishable?

 

[FlorC]

Well they want to tax sugar to make people use less.

The tariffs on sugar cane taxes this at the source (or import).

 

[LosLobo]

15 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Are you claiming that HFCS, beet sugar and cane sugar have no other components than C₆H₁₂O₆?  That they are chemically indistinguishable?

 

No! I am not!
 

Trump is only posting this BS to distract what’s left of the cult — which you’re clearly part of — from the Epstein files, which he is clearly part of.
 

And you’ve taken the bait — hook, line, and Fox News.

[impulse]

8 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

No! I am not!
 

Trump is only posting this BS to distract what’s left of the cult — which you’re clearly part of — from the Epstein files, which he is clearly part of.
 

And you’ve taken the bait — hook, line, and Fox News.

 

I've been following the HFCS controversy since at least 2004 when the landmark study came out correlating HFCS use and obesity.  And following the ethanol controversy for about the same period.  That's way before Trump. 

 

And while I don't claim to know what the answers are (and whether the temporal correlation is just a coincidence), I don't trust the "experts" being paid to study the products of the companies paying for the studies.  They (ADM, Bayer, etc) have some of the worst records in history for evil doing on a massive scale.

 

I'm looking forward to having a worm riddled HHS Secretary that's actually willing to dig through the data.

 

 

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

You apparently haven't been following the HFCS controversy very long.

 

Those "health care experts" are probably like the paid shills who told us for years that there were no side effects to the mRNAs and that you can't catch Covid if you get the mRNA.  They're paid by King Korn instead of Big Pharma, though there's a lot of overlap.

 

Get a grip everything isn't connected to mrna covid vaccines.  Make legitimate arguments at least 

[impulse]

Just now, Dan O said:

Get a grip everything isn't connected to mrna covid vaccines.  Make legitimate arguments at least 

 

No.  It's related to the science that's been bought and paid for by the very companies that make $$ trillions from the products they're supposed to be studying.  As if they're going to be impartial when their jobs and their funding is on the line...

[CallumWK]

11 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Baloney.

 

Mexicans bring Mexican coke across the border all the time.

 

They prefer it .  It’s not the same as USA coke.

 

Are you even American?

 

Do I have to be Amerian to post on this forum, and find the info which is widely available from many credible sources, that Coca-cola stopped using cane sugar for their local production about 13 years ago?

 

[impulse]

36 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Do I have to be Amerian to post on this forum, and find the info which is widely available from many credible sources, that Coca-cola stopped using cane sugar for their local production about 13 years ago?

 

 

The Mexicans are generally bringing Jarritos across the border, which uses "natural sugar".    And it's getting more and more popular in the USA.  Look it up...

 

The world is more than Coke and Pepsi.  Just ask the Thais.

 

And how 'bout this?

 

Time for a change?

In recent years, concerns regarding health issues associated with high sugar consumption prompted the Mexican government to implement various regulations to tackle the issue. Indeed, the introduction of a sugar tax in 2014 translated into an increase in the price of sugary drinks, which in turn slowed down the sales and consumption of soft drinks in the country.

 

Is Trump playing 4 dimension chess again?

 

My link:  Soft drinks in Mexico- statistics & facts | Statista

 

https://www.statista.com/

 

Edit:  On an aside, I wonder if Coke went to HFCS to dodge the sugar tax?  The timing is a little suspicious.  But I'm not curious enough to dig any deeper.  Instead, I'll let one of the lefty geniuses tell me how wrong I am.

 

 

[Yagoda]

Sugar tastes better, thanks Don

[impulse]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Sugar tastes better, thanks Don

 

First we get fries fried in beef tallow.  Now maybe we'll get Coke with real sugar.  Keeping promises...

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

First we get fries fried in beef tallow.

I use tallow in Siem. I should check and see if they have it on Amazon.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

I use tallow in Siem. I should check and see if they have it on Amazon.

 

I still remember how bad my first vegetable oil fried Mickey D fries were way back then, compared to the old way.  Over the years, they added a bunch of chemicals to adjust the flavor (and we got used to the new yucky normal).  I'm looking forward to trying some tallow fried if I ever get back to the States.  Still staying with Diet Coke...  So sugar vs HFCS is a non-issue for me.

 

[Dan O]

On 7/18/2025 at 6:36 PM, impulse said:

 

No.  It's related to the science that's been bought and paid for by the very companies that make $$ trillions from the products they're supposed to be studying.  As if they're going to be impartial when their jobs and their funding is on the line...

I retired after 25 years in the industry and  its not exactly as you think it is. Its very easy to make assumptions and connect dots that aren't there. But you go with that if you want to 

 

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[Bannoi]

Chemicals are your friend if sweeteners can be made in a lab who needs plants and things that grow in the dirt.