Trump and Putin: The meeting.

[swissie]

Trump/Putin meeting coming up: What will happen if Selensky will not make territorial concessions? What do you think?

 

I think: This will make Donald very angry, him calling Selensky a "peace saboteur". Not sending any urgently needed arms to the Ukraine anymore.

With the result, that Selensky will eventually lose the entire Ukraine to Russia. I would certainly not want to be in Selensky's shoes. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Poor devil.

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, swissie said:

Trump/Putin meeting coming up: What will happen if Selensky will not make territorial concessions? What do you think?

 

I think: This will make Donald very angry, him calling Selensky a "peace saboteur". Not sending any urgently needed arms to the Ukraine anymore.

With the result, that Selensky will eventually lose the entire Ukraine to Russia. I would certainly not want to be in Selensky's shoes. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Poor devil.

 

If he feels stuck between a rock and a hard place the little fella could always hold an election.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, swissie said:

Trump/Putin meeting coming up: What will happen if Selensky will not make territorial concessions? What do you think?

 

I think: This will make Donald very angry, him calling Selensky a "peace saboteur". Not sending any urgently needed arms to the Ukraine anymore.

With the result, that Selensky will eventually lose the entire Ukraine to Russia. I would certainly not want to be in Selensky's shoes. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Poor devil.

 

I suspect it will go farther than that if Zelenskyy refuses to surrender his nation to the Russian boot trump may threaten nato with the Spector of not supporting American made weapon systems.undermining nato in a desperate attempt to surrender a nation fighting for its life to the enemy.

[connda]

Nothing is going to happen.

They'll MIGHT be a meeting.  After the meeting Trump will bad mouth Putin - again - and have a temper tantrum that "Putin refuses to do what I tell him to do and keeps making up terms," even though Putin iterated the terms for the cession of the conflict on June 14, 2024 at a speech at the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.  Nothing has changed regarding Russian terms over the last year. Trump and the US administration just pretend they never have heard about the terms and then have a conniption fit when the Russian delegation repeats the terms that were announced over a year ago.  It's all theater.  
So after the meeting Trump will huff and puff and yell and scream, then threaten Russia - again - and then threaten them some more, and threaten any country conducting trade with Russia (except for itself because the US need uranium hexafloride and fertilizers worse than Russia needs to sell them to the US.  Then Trump will bomb Iran again as Iran is a good whipping boy.  

The Russian SMO doesn't end until the AFU surrenders unconditionally which will eventually happen.

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

I suspect it will go farther than that if Zelenskyy refuses to surrender his nation to the Russian boot trump may threaten nato with the Spector of not supporting American made weapon systems.undermining nato in a desperate attempt to surrender a nation fighting for its life to the enemy.

 

But USAF F35s use Dutch and British parts; withold spare parts to NATO allies while expecting the reciprical would occur. This is a fantasy spouted by the Crypto-Stalinists inhabiting this forum (members with obstensibly conservative credentials, while secretly harbouring hard, old school left wing beliefs (that would make Jez Corbyn blanch)), given away by their incessant defence of the Communist in the Kremlin. They resort to calling people, including genuine conservatives, who disagree with them as "lefties" "leftists". Classic Stalinist deflection.

 

The American government will not do what you expect.

[CallumWK]

2 hours ago, connda said:

After the meeting Trump will bad mouth Putin - again - and have a temper tantrum that "Putin refuses to do what I tell him to do and keeps making up terms,"

 

Trump will brag about the great meeting they had, and what a wonderful relationship he has with Putin, and the mutual respect they have for each other. And they will have agreed on soooo many things, only because he (Trump) had the upper hand in the discussions, and Putin agreed to everything he suggested.

And the deal they agreed to was big and beautiful, and really the best for Ukraine.

 

......................... Quick forward 2 weeks, and everything you mentioned will be a reality

[CallumWK]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

trump may threaten nato with the Spector of not supporting American made weapon systems.

 

Isn't that a known fact already that the US can switch off F35 functions for countries who have purchased them, if they don't do what he demands?

From what I can read, most EU countries cancelled their F35 orders, probably because they wake up to the reality

[Tug]

4 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Isn't that a known fact already that the US can switch off F35 functions for countries who have purchased them, if they don't do what he demands?

From what I can read, most EU countries cancelled their F35 orders, probably because they wake up to the reality

Yup some president ehh?

[Yagoda]

21 minutes ago, Tug said:

Yup some president ehh?

You want him to fail, you hate America

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

You want him to fail, you hate America

No you are mistaken,I want him to act like more like an American president than an enemy asset……lets see how this (meeting) shakes out.

[NoDisplayName]

6 hours ago, swissie said:

With the result, that Selensky will eventually lose the entire Ukraine to Russia.

 

That appears to be the NATO plan, although Putin really doesn't want it.

[Jingthing]

Ukraine's future will be determined by the response to Putin's imperialism of Europe. 

[JAG]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You want him to fail, you hate America

Personally, I don't hate America. I dislike what Trump is doing to it.

 

He is turning it into a reflection of his personality, and since I find him amoral, deceitful, boastful, fundamentally dishonest, brazenly suppressing and hiding truth, racist, sexually exploitative and perverted, utterly self centred, and physically and intellectually bizarre and ridiculous; then I dislike what it (the USA) is becoming. Perhaps @Tug and some others on here, Americans or not, feel similar?

 

All those traits will be evident, no doubt, both individually and nationally in the forthcoming meeting.

[dinsdale]

9 hours ago, Tug said:

I suspect it will go farther than that if Zelenskyy refuses to surrender his nation to the Russian

It's about the four oblasts and Crimea not ALL of Ukraine. Zelensky doesn't want to give these away and this I understand but in war the victor takes the spoils as harsh as this is but reality is reality and Russian troops continue to take ground with many eastern cities in real danger of being captured. Ukraine cannot win the ground war.

[Briggsy]

Those who think this meeting is any serious attempt at persuading Russia to adopt a ceasefire are sorely mistaken.

 

Will there be any reliable US observers to the entire discussion? I doubt it. 

 

Trump is absolutely not an honest broker in Russia-Ukraine relations.

[Tug]

11 hours ago, swissie said:

Trump/Putin meeting coming up: What will happen if Selensky will not make territorial concessions? What do you think?

 

I think: This will make Donald very angry, him calling Selensky a "peace saboteur". Not sending any urgently needed arms to the Ukraine anymore.

With the result, that Selensky will eventually lose the entire Ukraine to Russia. I would certainly not want to be in Selensky's shoes. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Poor devil.

 

I’m hoping the European democracy’s will continue to support Ukraine the Europeans know what’s at stake……trump just doesn’t care.

[bkk6060]

I certainly don't expect much especially with Zelensky sticking is nose in it.

 

But, could people imagine if Kamala was there?  Her word salad, throwing her hands in the air as she talks, saying: well Vlad I just not fall from a Coconut tree..  what an embarrassing fiasco of stupid incompetence. 

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I certainly don't expect much especially with Zelensky sticking is nose in it.

 

But, could people imagine if Kamala was there?  Her word salad, throwing her hands in the air as she talks, saying: well Vlad I just not fall from a Coconut tree..  what an embarrassing fiasco of stupid incompetence. 

If Harris was there Russia would be on its back possibly suing for peace,for 100% sure Ukraine would be in a much much stronger position our economy would be stronger the world safer out education system would be better the laws would be followed as well as the constitution and our democracy would be in less danger.

[JAG]

12 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

certainly don't expect much especially with Zelensky sticking is nose in it.

Zelensky, and by extension Ukraine, do have a certain stake in the matter!

[Jim Blue]

45 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I certainly don't expect much especially with Zelensky sticking is nose in .

Yes like Trump negotiated the Afghan deal in the UAE without the Afghan prese " sticking his nose in " . How did that work out  with the Taliban ?

[JAG]

4 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Yes like Trump negotiated the Afghan deal in the UAE without the Afghan prese " sticking his nose in " . How did that work out  with the Taliban ?

Well it worked out well for the Taliban, he sold out to them.

 

He will almost certainly sell out to Putin at this meeting.

[BLMFem]

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You want him to fail, you hate America

Why do you hate yourself?

[BLMFem]

6 hours ago, Tug said:

If Harris was there Russia would be on its back possibly suing for peace,for 100% sure Ukraine would be in a much much stronger position our economy would be stronger the world safer out education system would be better the laws would be followed as well as the constitution and our democracy would be in less danger.

So true. Instead, your president is a traitor hellbent on destroying democracy in the US and causing absolute chaos in world politics and trade.

Expect Ukraine/President Zelensky to be sold down the river after Putin scratches his boy Trump behind the ear.

[Cameroni]

Hopefully Trump can then strong-arm Zelensky into making concessions to make the little nationalist see sense.

 

Zelensky's war is totally pointless. He should have given up a long time ago.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Zelensky's war

 

 

?......You do know he's not a woman......so you can post sensible comments now.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

.You do know he's not a woman.

 

Just dresses like one:

 

 

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Just dresses like one:

 

 

 

 

......live and let live.

 

 

[save the frogs]

It will be interesting to see everyone's reaction after the meeting.

 

I expect that there will be 15 different spins on the outcome, everyone interpreting it differently based on their own biases. 

 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Just dresses like one:

 

As a conspiracy theorist, that video indicates that he is not a real politician, merely a puppet. 

 

 

 

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

As a conspiracy theorist, that video indicates that he is not a real politician, merely a puppet. 

 

 

 

 

He does come across as a bit of a puppet and a muppet. But that is a real video, not AI. I could not believe my eyes that someone like this actually leads a country.

 

What times we live in.