1 minute ago, t0mt0m said:

Then you don't think. Just keep repeating what you've been told or you've been paid for.

Lies

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Lies

I can't figure out any other reason why some of you here still aggressively pushing this ukrainian, rusophobic propaganda. Even though the whole history of Ukraine and its "achievements" in the last century clearly shows this country and its leaders are not innocent saints. Most of them are nothing more than genocidals, criminals, thieves, warmongers, liars, fraudsters and comedians.

Ukraine had many opportunities to make it straight since 1991, like Germans did after 2nd WW. But no. Instead kept tormenting minorities, still cherishing genocidals, choosing crooked criminals to lead country and breaking agreements (Minsk Agreements).

And now by lies, erasing historical facts and manipulations trying to drag others into the conflict you created.

 

Whether they're winning the war or not I don't know, but it has certainly become an epic struggle for Russia, likely something they did not count upon when they invaded. It must never be forgotten what happened during World War II. Russia used Ukraine to manufacture half of its products, and in the process starved out millions of Ukrainian people.

 

Russia is responsible for massive genocide against its people in the past, and they're certainly responsible for massive genocide now in Ukraine. Putin is the new Stalin. And absolutely heartless, psychopathic thug, who seems to take pleasure in slaughtering women and children. 

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It must never be forgotten what happened during World War II.

True that. It should never be forgotten what ukrainians did to polish minorities in Volhyn. But nowadays Ukraine is avoiding this subject, trying to hide it and even not teaching ukrainian children about it. As a wise man said “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

 

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

seems to take pleasure in slaughtering women and children

True again. Those ukrainian nazi barbarians were even laughing while opening bellies of pregnant woman and then throw a "newborn" into the fire, or while impaling children on the fences. Or when disemboweling people alive. Or ... ok, enough.

 

But still ukrainian streets are often named after creators of this grim events. And still ukrainians using nazi symbols. Still organising marches and carrying pictures od those genocidal beasts.

 

Any of you can answer my question - WHY ?? When I hear "slava ukrainie" I literally wanna throw up because this exclamation comes from the times of violence, mass murders and inhumane behaviour. 

 

WAŁA UKRAINIE !

Slava Ukrainie.

 

2 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

True that. It should never be forgotten what ukrainians did to polish minorities in Volhyn. But nowadays Ukraine is avoiding this subject, trying to hide it and even not teaching ukrainian children about it. As a wise man said “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

 

True again. Those ukrainian nazi barbarians were even laughing while opening bellies of pregnant woman and then throw a "newborn" into the fire, or while impaling children on the fences. Or when disemboweling people alive. Or ... ok, enough.

 

But still ukrainian streets are often named after creators of this grim events. And still ukrainians using nazi symbols. Still organising marches and carrying pictures od those genocidal beasts.

 

Any of you can answer my question - WHY ?? When I hear "slava ukrainie" I literally wanna throw up because this exclamation comes from the times of violence, mass murders and inhumane behaviour. 

 

WAŁA UKRAINIE !

That's a rather spectacular piece of deflection from the topic at hand. Shall we have a discussion about the American treatment of Native Americans in the 1850s through 1880s or would you rather talk about the conquest of Mexico, the Spanish conquistadors in Latin America, or another topic? 

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

That's a rather spectacular piece of deflection from the topic at hand. Shall we have a discussion about the American treatment of Native Americans in the 1850s through 1880s or would you rather talk about the conquest of Mexico, the Spanish conquistadors in Latin America, or another topic? 

As all he does here is post off topic garbage like that on this topic which is about a specific thing, I would like to make a suggestion:

Don't Feed the Jelly Roll

One may ask why has Putin chosen this moment to make his move on Ukraine? As many have pointed out, Russia is an objectively weak state — “Upper Volta with nuclear weapons,” as someone once quipped — with a nominal G.D.P. smaller than that of South Korea. Outside of energy, minerals and second-rate military equipment, it produces almost nothing that outsiders want: no Russian iPhone, Lexus or “Fauda.” If it were not for the minerals, oil and natural gas, I believe Russia would be a highly irrelevant state. Sure, it had alot of culture. Had. What have it's contributions been since the middle of the 20th century?

 

Putin’s problem with Ukraine, starting with the Maidan uprising of 2014, is that Ukrainians want nothing to do with him. He is despised. And for good reason. If he were a Disney character, he’d be Rapunzel’s mother. But, he is not a Disney character, which makes him a pathetic, aggressive, serial killing despot dictator, who appears to be targeting women and children in his latest escapade, and further walk into the world of darkness. 

 

 

I have friends who know younger Russians. And they say they are kind, friendly and progressive. I have no idea what percentage of the population these younger people represent, nor how representative they are of the Russian population. Personally, I have met very few friendly Russians. Anywhere in the world. The vast majority of Russians I have met, seem to have very, very few redeeming qualities. It is no wonder.

 

I can only speak from my experience. Have run into alot of Russians both in the US, and on Phuket and Samui, 98% of them seem to be grumpy, unfriendly and gruff. Some of them are downright hostile. Likely a reflection of a very, very rough culture and environment. So, perhaps it is not a coincidence that the world is not standing up to support them and show them kindness? Just an observation.

 

I do not think it is a sense of entitlement. I think it is a reflection of the current culture. It was destroyed over a century of callous and murderous leadership. Stalin, Lenin, Khruschev, now Putin. They have become somewhat savage and crude. No grace, no finesse, no courtesy. Rather uncivilized.

 

My family was from Russia a few generations back. I used to ask my great-grandmother when she was still around, why they didn't teach us anything about the old country. She would give me this look, and tell me "the reason we never teach you about the place we came from, is because the place we came from was the most horrific country on earth, it was the most destitute, horrible, oppressive place and we were thrilled to finally get out of there and leave it behind. That's why we don't teach you about the old country, the old country doesn't exist for us. 

 

There are a multitude of reasons why very few around the world have sympathy for the Russians. Those reasons are not limited to their serial killing, despot, thieving multi billionaire dictator for life. It is more about their nature, their history as ruthless, homicidal Cossack warriors, and their total lack of manners, and class. Not to mention the dignity, class, decency, civility, and social skills decades of Leninism, Stalinism, and now Putinism has stripped them of. 

 

And of course, the utter failure of their leader. This is a clear case of psychological projection: Putin dreamt and failed to create a dollar-free world and establish Russia as an “energy superpower.” He allowed corruption to metastasize through the state’s fabric, undermining its security capabilities. With its mass emigration, skyrocketing divorce rate, and low fertility, Russia, more than the West, demonstrates an immense collapse of family and social values.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

True that. It should never be forgotten what ukrainians did to polish minorities in Volhyn. But nowadays Ukraine is avoiding this subject, trying to hide it and even not teaching ukrainian children about it. As a wise man said “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

 

True again. Those ukrainian nazi barbarians were even laughing while opening bellies of pregnant woman and then throw a "newborn" into the fire, or while impaling children on the fences. Or when disemboweling people alive. Or ... ok, enough.

 

But still ukrainian streets are often named after creators of this grim events. And still ukrainians using nazi symbols. Still organising marches and carrying pictures od those genocidal beasts.

 

Any of you can answer my question - WHY ?? When I hear "slava ukrainie" I literally wanna throw up because this exclamation comes from the times of violence, mass murders and inhumane behaviour. 

 

WAŁA UKRAINIE !

Good you are giving another side to the story.

 

Anyone reading this thread might think that the Ruskies started the conflict. Are some people still unaware that is started in 2014? With a (not so) little help from the - not so deep state either - US.

 

Quite soon, all the Russian speaking Ukrainians will once again be officially Russian. What is left of Ukraine, will then be absorbed by neighboring countries, that have an ethnic stake in what will be then be a rump state. Bit like Kosovo. Maybe a lot like Kosovo.

 

Did the US start this conflict to protect the $$$? To put Russia back into its box, because they wouldn't bend the knee. A gentle reminder, with the help of Ukrainian blood, of who is the main player in the show.

13 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

And of course, the utter failure of their leader.

 

The western world led by UK and US has made Russia it's enemy for decades. The reasons for this are above my pay grade, but for whatever reasons the western media brainwashed all of us with the "communists are bad" propaganda for decades. I guess they felt Russia was a threat economically, NOT with nukes as the fake narrative was pushed on us. 

 

This no doubt contributed to hampering Russia's progress.

 

Countries are not completely independent and the leaders of a country cannot be blamed 100% if the economy doesn't do well. Other countries have to be willing to cooperate. 

 

Complete with fake songs to push the propaganda brainwashing even further. 

 

It was never about nuclear threats, but about competition in the marketplace and Russia was a threat to Western powers, so they tried to squash it. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good you are giving another side to the story.

 

Anyone reading this thread might think that the Ruskies started the conflict. Are some people still unaware that is started in 2014? With a (not so) little help from the - not so deep state either - US.

 

Quite soon, all the Russian speaking Ukrainians will once again be officially Russian. What is left of Ukraine, will then be absorbed by neighboring countries, that have an ethnic stake in what will be then be a rump state. Bit like Kosovo. Maybe a lot like Kosovo.

 

Did the US start this conflict to protect the $$$? To put Russia back into its box, because they wouldn't bend the knee. A gentle reminder, with the help of Ukrainian blood, of who is the main player in the show.

 

"Anyone reading this thread might think that the Ruskies started the conflict."

 

Good. Then they will have employed rational thought and reached the correct, logical conclusion.

 

"Are some people still unaware that is started in 2014?"

 

Hopefully not. I agree 2014 was a milestone in this conflict e.g. for the annexation of Crimea, Russia's increased involvement in Donetsk and ultimately the invasion of Ukraine. These events were the direct result of Putin's refusal to accept that Ukraine saw its' economic future aligned with the West - in particular the EU - rather than Russia.

 

"With a (not so) little help from the - not so deep state either - US."

 

Imo there's no doubt that the US favoured a pro-Western Ukraine rather than a Russia-centred one, however, the Maidan revolution was a popular uprising by the Ukrainian people who objected to their elected government - under pressure from Moscow - refusing to sign the EU/ Ukraine Association Agreement, the central point in its manifesto, and instead attempt to tie Ukraine economically to Russia.

 

(Yes, I'm aware of the Nuland phone call. All that proves is that the US favoured a pro-EU Ukraine. In no way, does it prove that the US instigated the Maidan uprising).

7 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good you are giving another side to the story.

 

Anyone reading this thread might think that the Ruskies started the conflict. Are some people still unaware that is started in 2014? With a (not so) little help from the - not so deep state either - US.

 

Quite soon, all the Russian speaking Ukrainians will once again be officially Russian. What is left of Ukraine, will then be absorbed by neighboring countries, that have an ethnic stake in what will be then be a rump state. Bit like Kosovo. Maybe a lot like Kosovo.

 

Did the US start this conflict to protect the $$$? To put Russia back into its box, because they wouldn't bend the knee. A gentle reminder, with the help of Ukrainian blood, of who is the main player in the show.

Kremlin propaganda 100 percent.

They are very good at that and many westerners have been infected with it.

The latest Ukrainian innovation is a cruise missile with a range of 3,000km, a maximum speed of 900km/h and a payload of over a tonne which has been used in strikes deep into Russian territory.

 

The FP-5 “Flamingo” missile is powered by a rocket and a Soviet-era turbofan jet engine bolted on top. Some of those engines have been dug out of landfill dumps. The Flamingo is an entirely Ukraine-made long range missile (AP)

 

It’s got twice the range of the US Tomahawk, carries twice as much explosive and costs about the same.

But its main advantage is that it is entirely under the control of Ukraine’s forces. 

 

Inside Ukraine’s start-up weapons industry rising from the ashes

 

The Flamingo is an entirely Ukraine-made long range missile (AP)

 

 

Yesterday, November 6, long-range Defense Intelligence of Ukraine strike drones hit the Sterlitamak Petrochemical Plant (SNHZ), located in Bashkortostan on the territory of Russia.

 

The plant is one of the key facilities of the Russian petrochemical complex and actively works to meet the needs of Russia's army This plant produces strategically important products for the Russian military sector: ionol, aviation gasoline, and synthetic polymers.

 

According to the HUR, after the Ukrainian drones hit the plant, a fire broke out in the agidol production workshop, an important additive to aviation fuel used by Russian aviation.

 

Ukraine's intelligence drones hit strategic Russian factory in Bashkortostan

35 minutes ago, RayC said:

Good. Then they will have employed rational thought and reached the correct, logical conclusion.

 

LOL, bringing a word "logical" in that case is like trying to tell people that 2x2 is 13.  I see 2 types of people here - the people who get paid by the system to spread this rusophobic propaganda and the second type are people who is lacking BASIC background knowledge about Ukraine and whats REALLY going on in this crooked country. Victims of ukrainian psyop who can't think by themselves, with minds already shaped by mass media.

 

 

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

The western world led by UK and US has made Russia it's enemy for decades. The reasons for this are above my pay grade, but for whatever reasons the western media brainwashed all of us with the "communists are bad" propaganda for decades. I guess they felt Russia was a threat economically, NOT with nukes as the fake narrative was pushed on us. 

 

This no doubt contributed to hampering Russia's progress.

That's true. Even Hollywood in some way was a tool, a cog in rusophobic machine. People don't even realize how they were brainwashed over decades by movies. Look the pic above with Putin holding the earth with tanks and jets around. Pics like this works on people with intellectual deficit. Media told them in the beginning he want to take over Donbas, later next Ukraine, now the"re talking about Europe, pics says the whole world. What next - Pluto ? Whole galaxy maybe ?

From the Washington Post

non paywall archive

https://web.archive.org/web/20251106124516/https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/11/06/ukraine-pokrovsk-fall-russia-war/

 

As Pokrovsk is set to fall, Ukraine must choose to fight or save troops

Pokrovsk has been a bastion of resistance, and Russia taking it would be a propaganda win, but experts say it is time to withdraw and save lives for future battles.

12 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

That's true. Even Hollywood in some way was a tool, a cog in rusophobic machine. People don't even realize how they were brainwashed over decades by movies. Look the pic above with Putin holding the earth with tanks and jets around. Pics like this works on people with intellectual deficit. Media told them in the beginning he want to take over Donbas, later next Ukraine, now the"re talking about Europe, pics says the whole world. What next - Pluto ? Whole galaxy maybe ?

 

villains in james bond movies were russians.

it's part of the brainwashing / propaganda .

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Kremlin propaganda 100 percent.

They are very good at that and many westerners have been infected with it.

Can't you see that the US is the demon?

 

None so blind as will not see.

13 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Can't you see that the US is the demon?

 

None so blind as will not see.

Boring simple minded garbage. 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Boring simple minded garbage. 

Someone don't like the truth bud.

3 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

LOL, bringing a word "logical" in that case is like trying to tell people that 2x2 is 13.  I see 2 types of people here - the people who get paid by the system to spread this rusophobic propaganda and the second type are people who is lacking BASIC background knowledge about Ukraine and whats REALLY going on in this crooked country. Victims of ukrainian psyop who can't think by themselves, with minds already shaped by mass media.

 

 

 

It will probably come as a surprise that I agree with something you have written: Some people do lack BASIC background knowledge; you are one of them.

 

You cannot counter facts and lack the intellect and/or will to engage in debate; instead you post empty, meaningless rhetoric.

 

You are nothing more than a Russian apologist and propagandist.

On 11/7/2025 at 5:29 PM, Jingthing said:

Lies

 

"t0mt0m" is a Russian.

3 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

 

"t0mt0m" is a Russian.

I don't recall that he stated his nationality. He's definitely a pro Z pro Putin person though. He mentioned living in Poland and complaining about Ukrainian refugees there. He also mentioned a trip to Ukraine which sounded fictional. Not sure how a Russian could do that unless a spy. 

10 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

 rusophobic

 

As a Pole, I can see how you hate Ukraine. But you also must be born with hatred of the animals behind Latyn. Russians killed 22,000 Poles in just one action. Between 1939 and 1941, the Russians imprisioned 1 in 10 Polish males. The NKVD executed 65,000 Poles following show trials. The Russians also encouraged Poles to kill each other; the Soviets used propaganda to incite mobs to conduct killings of groups perceived as non-Polish. Not to mention the 100,000 Polish women raped by Russian soldiers, mostly in 1945.

 

Your lack of reply suggests that you supported the Communists.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't recall that he stated his nationality. He's definitely a pro Z pro Putin person though. He mentioned living in Poland and complaining about Ukrainian refugees there. He also mentioned a trip to Ukraine which sounded fictional. Not sure how a Russian could do that unless a spy. 

 

Russia russified hundreds of thousands of Poles, deported them to the 'Stans. Maybe he's one of them, but an Uncle Tom type.

On 11/8/2025 at 1:01 AM, spidermike007 said:

One may ask why has Putin chosen this moment to make his move on Ukraine?

Easy question. It's because he did not have enough resources to make war before.

 

Why would Putin have invaded Ukraine when the price of energy was too low to finance a war?

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

 

And also, why would Putin have started a war before accumulating enough financial reserves to finance it?

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/foreign-exchange-reserves

 

And also gold reserves

https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gold-reserves#:~:text=Gold Reserves in Russia averaged,source%3A World Gold Council

On 11/8/2025 at 1:50 PM, RayC said:

You cannot counter facts and lack the intellect and/or will to engage in debate

What kind of debate and "facts" are you talking about ? What 'm doing here is delivering the facts and common sense against your lies, warmongering, propaganda, disinformation, manipulation and showing Ukraine as an innocent, almost a "holy" country. I feel like I'm trying to talk with blind about colours, or I wanna play chess but you can offer me a tic tac toe max. Come back when you reach a bit higher, HUMANISTIC level of thinking.

 

On 11/8/2025 at 9:33 AM, Jingthing said:

Kremlin propaganda 100 percent.

They are very good at that and many westerners have been infected with it.

 

If it means people are "infected" with a sober assessment of the situation, critical thinking and developing propaganda proof ability - then (even if I'm just a middle european) we happy to be sick like this. No jab needed here.

 

On 11/8/2025 at 1:50 PM, RayC said:

instead you post empty, meaningless rhetoric.

 

Shallow minds doesn't understand higher ideas about world peace and balance built on the TRUTH, generosity, diplomacy and understanding. Meaningless and empty values for you, right ? "U" country leaders, politicians and oligarchs doesn't understand this either, this is why Ukraine is so crooked, and rotten since many decades. Cavemans know only argumentum ad baculum and this is how they want to solve all their problems. Fight, crush, kill, destroy, burn, deceive and threat others. Even if it means slow agony and suffering for the average human being in "U" country. Everything with help from mass media and internet puppets slowly injecting poisonous ideas into masses brains.

 

21 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

"t0mt0m" is a Russian.

 

Nope, I'm a Pole. Which also helps me to have a sober, wide perspective about this conflict.

 

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He mentioned living in Poland and complaining about Ukrainian refugees there

 

How could I not complain ? We took milions of them here. Gave them places to live, welfares, sometimes work, medical care etc. But still some of them are just ordinary criminals and don't know how to behave in civilized country. Drunk driving, using system loopholes to get welfares, waving black/red nazi flags in public places, murders (usually woman are the victims), plotting and organising provocations etc. It's like going to visit someone's home and sh%*t in the middle of living room. My country became "ukrainized" beyond comprehension by antipolish politicians here, who let the millions in without any control. And we - polish people already see how many problems it brings and concerning about our children future.

 

22 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He also mentioned a trip to Ukraine which sounded fictional.

 

Fictional ? Because of what ? Because you claim/think so ? LOL. Funny thing - I talked to probably 120+ ukrainians during that trip and NOT EVEN ONE of them want to continue this conflict. Heard many stories about TCK and how the men kidnapped from the street are send to the first line of battlefield without ANY preparation. No wonder why "U" country is hiring illegal mercenaries to fight there and kill others for money.

 

13 minutes ago, t0mt0m said:

Nope, I'm a Pole. Which also helps me to have a sober, wide perspective about this conflict.

 

 

 

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