39 minutes ago, bannork said:

According to Whitaker, the confiscation of Russian assets in favor of Ukraine could be a “significant step” in strengthening Ukraine's economic and military financing for “several years.”

 

In other words  the billions given already are gone

(squandered and embezzled) 

There is no more to give  so lets  use a convoluted scheme to steal Russian assets by illegal means... Euroclear and Belgium are not very happy about this scheme  knowing full well the repercussions  of such an illegal action. 

2 minutes ago, johng said:

 

In other words  the billions given already are gone

(squandered and embezzled) 

There is no more to give  so lets  use a convoluted scheme to steal Russian assets by illegal means... Euroclear and Belgium are not very happy about this scheme  knowing full well the repercussions  of such an illegal action. 

I think you are over playing stuff, and confused.............🙄

3 minutes ago, transam said:

I think you are over playing stuff, and confused.............🙄

I think he is intentionally propagandizing in support of the genocidal Z fascist Putin regime.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think he is intentionally propagandizing in support of the genocidal Z fascist Putin regime.

Yep...🤗

Perhaps this is the war now, boiled down to simplify.

 

Russia makes small land gains costing them a horrific number of meat grinder lives, but Putin doesn't care about human lives, Russian or otherwise, especially the types that are dying in Ukraine.

 

VS.

 

Ukraine more rapidly destroying Russia's energy infrastructure which the intention of starving off import money that funds Putin's war of choice. If that is effective enough and quick enough relative to Russia's small land gains, eventually something has got to give in Russia that ruins their war effort. So then presumably at least Russia goes into actual peace talks and finally abandons their maximalist goals.

 

I don't know which side will prevail. 

I also don't think that Ukraine will likely achieve maximalist goals. 

But I think they do have a fighting chance of achieving an acceptable endgame and a real shot at a future sovereign Ukraine existing and eventually thriving. 

 

39 minutes ago, johng said:

 

In other words  the billions given already are gone

(squandered and embezzled) 

There is no more to give  so lets  use a convoluted scheme to steal Russian assets by illegal means... Euroclear and Belgium are not very happy about this scheme  knowing full well the repercussions  of such an illegal action. 

Er, Russia's invasion of Ukraine and its constant attacks are illegal 

Bloomberg claims that right now, the war-torn Eastern European nation is producing more military drones than all the 32 member states that make up the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

 

According to Bloomberg, the Ukrainian industry is churning out annually about 4 million military drones of different types, despite the constant attacks of the Russian military. In contrast, Bloomberg reports that some estimates show that the United States only manufactures some 100,000 military drones every year.

 

Bloomberg highlights that Ukrainian firms have made agreements to supply NATO countries, even building assembly plants in Finland, Denmark, Slovakia and the United Kingdom.

 

Ukraine is manufacturing more military drones than the US

 

18 minutes ago, bannork said:

Er, Russia's invasion of Ukraine and its constant attacks are illegal 

Yes we all know that 2 wrongs make a right.

35 minutes ago, bannork said:

Russia's invasion of Ukraine and its constant attacks are illegal

The Don has naughty latins to sort out much closer to home.

 

Leave the dopey Europeans, and UK, to sort out the Ruskies.

 

Make trade not war. It's so simple. Unless of course Ukraine is simply a stepping stone along the way to a hidden and sinister master plan. Stopping half the world not bending the knee, as has been the case for the last 500 years.

 

 

17 minutes ago, bannork said:

According to Bloomberg, the Ukrainian industry is churning out annually about 4 million military drones of different types, despite the constant attacks of the Russian military.

This of course is not propaganda at all...if Ukraine is so capable 

why is it always cap in hand for yet more money..yet more game changing equipment from  EU/NATO/US ?

No doubt the 150 Gripen and 100 Rafal F4  fighter jets will turn the tide and also give Ukraine an airforce  twice as big as the UK's !!!

Unfortunately  Ukraine will be no more long before those aircraft arrive to save the day.

Winter is coming

On 9/7/2025 at 10:46 PM, NickyLouie said:

 

 

Are you sure ?

 

Seems you have a loose grasp on reality 

 

Annoying little corrupt t.wat

At a briefing in Berlin, German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul said 'only the Russian leader stands in the way of ending the death and suffering. If he wanted to, this war could be over tomorrow.'

 

Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper added 'I think Putin has repeatedly underestimated Ukraine and the commitment and determination of Ukraine's friends.'

 

British and German foreign ministers resolute in support of Ukraine despite Russian threats | Watch

On 11/19/2025 at 9:04 AM, Jingthing said:

Most Poles don't support Orban and Putin.

 

It's always funny when you expressing your opinions without any doubts and critical thinking like you know how it is, while having absolute ZERO knowledge about the subject. For me it doesn't come as a surprise to see you constantly posting things totally opposite from the truth. 

If you said "Most of politicians in Poland" then I agree. Don't mistake phrase "politicians in Poland" for "polish politicians" because we have a lot of foreign agents and EU/zionists/US butlers in our government. But if it comes to average polish citizens opinions you know sh%^t about that and just spreading lies and Kiev propaganda around because it's probably your job here. 

We have a lot of problems since Banderstate is repeatedly trying to drag us into this conflict by lies, deceiving public opinion, media coverage manipulation, making a "fake flag" sabotage and running massive psyop not only in my country but all over the world. 

Ignore the intentionally blatant misinformation being posted by pro Kremlin operatives on this forum. This war is as much an information war as anything. 

 

92 percent of the Polish people -- NO CONFIDENCE in Putin.

 

Confidence in Putin worldwide by country 2024| Statista

www.statista.com/statistics/457672/global-public-confidence-in-vladimir-putin/

23 hours ago, bannork said:

the war-torn Eastern European nation is producing more military drones than all the 32 member states that make up the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

 

According to Bloomberg, the Ukrainian industry is churning out annually about 4 million military drones of different types, despite the constant attacks of the Russian military. In contrast, Bloomberg reports that some estimates show that the United States only manufactures some 100,000 military drones every year

Is there anything to be proud about ? I would be really happy if I read something like they built couple of hospitals instead. Or rebuild roads, infrastructure, increased pensions and salaries, invest into the education system, helped small businesses, improved economics by import/export goods, did some diplomatics - you name it.

But no - bombs, drones and more people kidnapped from the streets and put into the war meat grinder.

You warmongers never learn from history. That's why you keep doing the same mistakes - on and on.

Troll post making unacceptable accusations removed.

 

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40 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Ignore the intentionally blatant misinformation being posted by pro Kremlin operatives on this forum. This war is as much an information war as anything. 

 

92 percent of the Polish people -- NO CONFIDENCE in Putin.

 

Confidence in Putin worldwide by country 2024| Statista

www.statista.com/statistics/457672/global-public-confidence-in-vladimir-putin/

"On demand" stats is another information war element.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Ignore the intentionally blatant misinformation being posted by pro Kremlin operatives on this forum. This war is as much an information war as anything. 

 

92 percent of the Polish people -- NO CONFIDENCE in Putin.

 

Confidence in Putin worldwide by country 2024| Statista

www.statista.com/statistics/457672/global-public-confidence-in-vladimir-putin/

Yeah, well Statista has a very pro-Western bias.   If "blue is good" and "red is bad," Statista maps on any given infograph will show that all Western countries are blue, blue, blue, and all non-Western countries are red, red, red. 
For the most part I don't rely on Statista as I understand their bias and I don't buy their conclusions or accuracy. 

Now, regarding the EU as a whole?  The Europeans historically hate Russia Slavs and Cossacks, and hate Russia as a country.  Historically, Europeans have taken up arms and marched East into Russia numerous times, and then get chased back to Western Europe. And since the breakup of the CCCP and Jim Baker's promise that NATO won't move one inch Eastward?  Europe and Europeans, as NATO, is right on top of Russia's Eastern border - again - this time using Ukraine as their fighting force and proxy.  What do you think was going to happen?  That Russian would open up their borders and allow Ukraine and NATO to march on Moscow - again?  What is Russia doing?  It's attriting Ukrainian and NATO soldiers including Poles, protecting Russian citizens and ethnic Russians in Ukraine, and are again pushing Westward slowly and inexorably.  I doubt that the Russians care about Statista's collection of pro-Western infographs, nor the conclusion by Statista that 92% of Poles hate Russians.  Personally I think Statista's numbers are off as my sources tell me that Polish youth are sick and tired of the war, and of the Ukrainians, and of supporting the NATO war effort, in my humble opinion. YMMV.

The F-16 and Mirage 2000 fighter jets, transferred to Ukraine by Western partners, are performing very well in the sky. In particular, during the Russian attack on November 19, they shot down at least 10 Russian cruise missiles, according to the Ukrainian Air Force.

 

"In particular, during today's repulsion of the attack, F-16 and Mirage 2000 pilots intercepted and shot down at least 10 Russian cruise missiles," the Ukrainian Air Force says.

F-16s have also repeatedly struck Russian troops on the front lines during missions to provide air support to ground forces. Over 300 ground targets have been hit, hundreds of pieces of equipment have been destroyed, as well as command posts, drone control points, ammunition depots, and Russian logistics facilities.

 

Ukraine's F-16 and Mirage-2000 fighter jets destroy 10 Russian missiles amid massive attack

 

Photo: Ukrainian F-16 fighter jets (Vitalii Nosach, RBC-Ukraine)© RBC-Ukraine (UK)

 

2 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

Is there anything to be proud about ? I would be really happy if I read something like they built couple of hospitals instead. Or rebuild roads, infrastructure, increased pensions and salaries, invest into the education system, helped small businesses, improved economics by import/export goods, did some diplomatics - you name it.

But no - bombs, drones and more people kidnapped from the streets and put into the war meat grinder.

You warmongers never learn from history. That's why you keep doing the same mistakes - on and on.

I'm sure the Ukrainians would rather build hospitals, etc but Russia, the warmonger, attacked them in 2022 and hasn't stopped since, or did you miss that?

 

51 minutes ago, connda said:

Yeah, well Statista has a very pro-Western bias.   If "blue is good" and "red is bad," Statista maps on any given infograph will show that all Western countries are blue, blue, blue, and all non-Western countries are red, red, red. 
For the most part I don't rely on Statista as I understand their bias and I don't buy their conclusions or accuracy. 

Now, regarding the EU as a whole?  The Europeans historically hate Russia Slavs and Cossacks, and hate Russia as a country.  Historically, Europeans have taken up arms and marched East into Russia numerous times, and then get chased back to Western Europe. And since the breakup of the CCCP and Jim Baker's promise that NATO won't move one inch Eastward?  Europe and Europeans, as NATO, is right on top of Russia's Eastern border - again - this time using Ukraine as their fighting force and proxy.  What do you think was going to happen?  That Russian would open up their borders and allow Ukraine and NATO to march on Moscow - again?  What is Russia doing?  It's attriting Ukrainian and NATO soldiers including Poles, protecting Russian citizens and ethnic Russians in Ukraine, and are again pushing Westward slowly and inexorably.  I doubt that the Russians care about Statista's collection of pro-Western infographs, nor the conclusion by Statista that 92% of Poles hate Russians.  Personally I think Statista's numbers are off as my sources tell me that Polish youth are sick and tired of the war, and of the Ukrainians, and of supporting the NATO war effort, in my humble opinion. YMMV.

Thanks for the Z pro genocidal war on Ukraine talking points. They never get tired, ha ha.

So you don't like Statista because it's biased.

I CALL B.S.!

Statista - Bias and Credibility - Media Bias/Fact Check

www.mediabiasfactcheck.com/statista/

YOU are biased.

Why do you think Finland and Sweden joined NATO in the wake of Putin's 2022 invasion?

Because they want to occupy Russia?

NO! Defense against Russian imperialism.

You have a typical Putinesesue reading of history.

Neglect to mention that Ukraine voluntarily gave up nukes and Russia was one of the parties promising to PROTECT Ukraine's sovereign borders.

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

I'm sure the Ukrainians would rather build hospitals, etc but Russia, the warmonger, attacked them in 2022 and hasn't stopped since, or did you miss that?

 

Don't bother. He likes it. He supports it. 

Another poll source.

Now wait for the Putin Z fanboys to play games and say the results are meaningless.

 

Views of Russia and Putin in 25 countries | Pew Research Center

www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/23/views-of-russia-and-putin-2025/

1 hour ago, connda said:

Personally I think Statista's numbers are off as my sources tell me that Polish youth are sick and tired of the war, and of the Ukrainians, and of supporting the NATO war effort, in my humble opinion.

It's not only your humble opinion, it's a simple fact since Poles see how many troubles Ukraine is bringing to our country and how much it costs us. And I'm not talking about money costs only, also about how unsafe we feel in our own country. Poles were very prone to help in 2022/2023 but now over the time we're having correct perspective. We let a MILIONS in without ANY control and since then crime rate went much higher, odd things are happening everyday (arsonies, water stations poisoning, murders, cherishing nazi ideology etc.). We don't want to sponsor this situation anymore.

35 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Why do you think Finland and Sweden joined NATO in the wake of Putin's 2022 invasion?

Because they want to occupy Russia?

NO! Defense against Russian imperialism.

ROTFL 

On 11/19/2025 at 6:26 PM, johng said:

This of course is not propaganda at all...if Ukraine is so capable 

why is it always cap in hand for yet more money..yet more game changing equipment from  EU/NATO/US ?

No doubt the 150 Gripen and 100 Rafal F4  fighter jets will turn the tide and also give Ukraine an airforce  twice as big as the UK's !!!

Unfortunately  Ukraine will be no more long before those aircraft arrive to save the day.

 

Putin thanks you for your unwavering support, comrade!

18 minutes ago, t0mt0m said:

It's not only your humble opinion, it's a simple fact since Poles see how many troubles Ukraine is bringing to our country and how much it costs us. And I'm not talking about money costs only, also about how unsafe we feel in our own country. Poles were very prone to help in 2022/2023 but now over the time we're having correct perspective. We let a MILIONS in without ANY control and since then crime rate went much higher, odd things are happening everyday (arsonies, water stations poisoning, murders, cherishing nazi ideology etc.). We don't want to sponsor this situation anymore.

We? Who are you speaking on behalf of? Not Poland, because your PM is named Donald Tusk, right?

 

22 minutes ago, t0mt0m said:

ROTFL 

Your country (if you are a Pole and not a Russian troll) has been invaded numerous times by Russia, so what exactly do you find funny in that post?

Have you ever heard of e.g Karelia?

Russian forces are dressing up as civilians to confuse Ukraine’s defensive forces in the eastern town of Pokrovsk, Kyiv’s military has said.

 

The commander of the 68th Jaeger Brigade, codenamed "Liutyi”, told Ukrainian national broadcaster Suspilne that Russian troops are acting more like “sabotage and reconnaissance” groups rather than following any typical procedures of war.

 

"The most difficult thing is that they disguise themselves as civilians. They have been changing clothes for a long time and receive instructions to do so. Sometimes we identify the enemy only after the start of the firefight, because civilians will not open fire on our units,” Liutyi said.

 

Russian troops ‘disguising themselves as civilians in combat’