On 8/30/2025 at 8:56 PM, Yellowtail said:

So, it is your position that American children are as heathy as ever?

Miss the point much?

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

You don't like videos? lol

sorry if I have offended you with my videos.

 

there must be some way out of here said the joker to the thief

too much confusion, can't get no relief.

 

Where did I say or indicate I was offended? I don't take the foolish things other do as grounds for taking offense. I do wonder why you resort to videos rather than the written word.

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

Miss the point much?

No, why? Is there something more important than the health of our children?

 

Do you have kids?

12 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I do wonder why you resort to videos rather than the written word.

 

Because a lot of the most useful information is on Youtube now. 

Some people think Youtube is garbage, but a lot of doctors use Youtube as their main platform. 

Some people probably don't trust anything on Youtube, to their own detriment. 

 

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

Because a lot of the most useful information is on Youtube now. 

Some people think Youtube is garbage, but a lot of doctors use Youtube as their main platform. 

Some people probably don't trust anything on Youtube, to their own detriment. 

 

But then again many quacks and conspiracy theorists also use Youtube........so beware of what you are seeing!

Kennedy is not the first guy to use big words he doesn't understand.

He has a predecessor.

 

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Because a lot of the most useful information is on Youtube now. 

Some people think Youtube is garbage, but a lot of doctors use Youtube as their main platform. 

Some people probably don't trust anything on Youtube, to their own detriment. 

 

And how do you know it's valuable? Just take their word for it? You don't cross a check the research, if any, they base their claims on?

In one account, he said he could hear "chewing".

 

That's what you get for eating a pig you ran over.

 

He smoked way too much Crack.

3 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

In one account, he said he could hear "chewing".

 

That's what you get for eating a pig you ran over.

 

He smoked way too much Crack.

I think it was a adolescent black bear he hit with his volkswagon van, and admitted he was high when he did it.

11 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And how do you know it's valuable? Just take their word for it? You don't cross a check the research, if any, they base their claims on?

 

The nutrition space is a minefield of contradictory information.

 

Even one doctor, Peter Attia, admitted that he is not sure about a lot of things because scientific studies themselves are contradictory. And he's a smart guy, one of the top doctors in his field, and he's been at it for many years. 

 

But Youtube is not useless.

 

On 9/1/2025 at 7:51 PM, Alan Zweibel said:

And yet, in massive epidemiological studies, no harm has been tied the consumption of these oils. Just another case of reality revealing its unfair bias against food fantasists.

That would seem to be the case and this next excerpt from an article published in the NZ Herald contains some very interesting darter/results – – for example:- 

 

Yet despite the social media storm surrounding them, nutrition researchers who study seed oils, say that this contradicts decades’ worth of evidence. For example, in one major study which followed more than 220,000 people for three decades, participants with the highest intake of plant-based oils, including both olive and seed oils, had a lower risk of premature death, compared with those who consumed more animal-based fats.

This is part of the article and for those interested, I suggest you read it: –

 

In early 2022, an American doctor called Cate Shanahan coined the term, “The Hateful Eight” to describe a group of seed oils commonly used in foods – canola or rapeseed, corn, cottonseed, soybean, sunflower, safflower, grapeseed, and rice bran oils.

On social media and in a book called Dark Calories, Shanahan, who brands herself as “Mother of the No Seed Oil Movement”, describes seed oils to her many thousands of followers as being uniquely harmful, inflammatory, and creating damage to our cells through oxidative stress.

In the US, such rhetoric, spread through numerous doctors and lifestyle influencers, has now reached the highest level of Government. As part of his “Make America Healthy Again” agenda, Robert F. Kennedy jnr, the US Health Secretary, has claimed that Americans are being “unknowingly poisoned” by seed oils, calling for restaurants to return to using animal fats instead. In response, major chains ranging from Sweetgreen to Steak ‘n Shake have followed suit, in many cases swapping seed oils for beef tallow.

BUT this is interesting:- Yet despite the social media storm surrounding them, nutrition researchers who study seed oils, say that this contradicts decades’ worth of evidence. For example, in one major study which followed more than 220,000 people for three decades, participants with the highest intake of plant-based oils, including both olive and seed oils, had a lower risk of premature death, compared with those who consumed more animal-based fats.
Read on for more information….
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/which-is-better-for-heart-health-butter-or-seed-oils-heres-what-the-science-says/VTC2LN7HINBU7ID5PJMXFZ4YCM/
 

14 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And how do you know it's valuable? Just take their word for it? You don't cross a check the research, if any, they base their claims on?

 

Ideally, we need to be tracking our bloodwork.

Which I am not doing. But some people do fairly regularly. 

They make a tweak in their diet and then gauge if their numbers are getting better or worse.

So they can gauge if the change they made (new food, new type of cooking oil, higher carbs, etc ...) is having a positive or negative effect. 

 

Oils obviously play a big role in most diets.  Seems like an important topic to get to the bottom of, yet obviously difficult to study.  

Consensus I'm following for now as far as order of preference

1) Unprocessed vegetable oils (Olive, Avocado, virgin coconut)
2) Natural fats (lard, tallow, ghee, maybe butter)
3) Processed vegetable or seed oil

Seems pretty easy to avoid getting to #3 if you wish when doing your own meal preparation.  Except, that almost every single salad dressing contains #3.  Even mayonnaise which a lot of people use for low carb diets.

I'd like to avoid #3 more when eating out too.  So fine by me if tallow is back in style.

People seem to think it's up to us (the skeptics) to prove that changes to our diet are bad.  No, it's up to you to prove beyond any doubt that the changes are good.  That takes decades and good science uncorrupted by industry.  You're not even close at this point.

RFK had a very poor performance today during his testimony.

 

And he should get off the tanning bed; he's beginning to look like a DEI hire, or a football.

 

And his breathing made him sound like Darth Vader.

 

Too much HGH?

 

7 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

RFK had a very poor performance today during his testimony.

 

And he should get off the tanning bed; he's beginning to look like a DEI hire, or a football.

 

And his breathing made him sound like Darth Vader.

 

Too much HGH?

 

 

 

Eye of the beholder I guess.  Political theater as always.

11 hours ago, Miloki said:

Except, that almost every single salad dressing contains #3.  Even mayonnaise which a lot of people use for low carb diets.

 

All processed foods and all restaurant meals contain #3.

 

Not many people are using Beef Tallow or Coconut Oil or Butter unless they're cooking from scratch at home.

 

Also, most people are not that healthy. So by association, one can imply the seed oils are at least partly the culprit. 

 

Look at the exorbitant price of these potato chips cooked in beef tallow.

Who would spend 39.99$ for potato chips? Granted, its a 4 pack.

 

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

And he should get off the tanning bed; he's beginning to look like a DEI hire, or a football.

 

Probably most people are unnaturally pale.