3 hours ago, MarkBR said:

I would suggest that the person you are replying to should get some form of psychiatric diagnosis, yet because of the 'problem' he is unlikely accept the therapy.   So, the last resort is for us rational people to use the ignore facility offered by aseannow.

Instead of silly-billy slurs, why not debate Mark?

 

Tell me where you think I'm wrong, and we can discuss the issue. Easy ain't it?

 

It's all very well going onto Google and copying a passage of text, but when confronted by a different viewpoint; the only answer is going back to Google again. Plenty on the AN platform just like that. Simply cutting and pasting passage after passage. To the point where there is no input at all from the member.

 

I'm perfectly prepared to defend my corner. Not many, who see things differently, will though. Hence the silly-billy remarks.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

Red Phoenix, give your name I assume you might be from the land of Freedom and Liberty. Now in that land you're not even free to go up to woman and say "I'll give you one hundred, let's go to my room and have fun". If you do that they sentence you and put your mug in the paper. The Constitution says you are free to pursue happiness but you are anything but free to do so on your own terms. So since you are of a polemic disposition, why not fight for something worth it, like the above-mentioned freedom for a change?

 

Much in modern medecine deserves criticism but vaccines are probably the most unobjectionable and the most successful aspect of it. If you want to pick on medecine, why not inveigh against the abuse of statins, the unnecessary prolongation of suffering in patients who are terminally ill or have Alzheimer's?

28 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I'm perfectly prepared to defend my corner.

Please share with us your original scientific research and a link to all the studies you've conducted in conjunction with your 'internet friends'.  But... sadly your dogs ate your homework, right?

 

Regurgitating other's poorly supported opinions is something anyone can do.  Let's cut to the main course.

13 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Much in modern medecine deserves criticism but vaccines are probably the most unobjectionable and the most successful aspect of it.

I think the nutters love to attack vaccines because it is like the Mt. Everest of modern medicine.  Vaccines stand so tall in terms of the effect produced for a relatively low cost.  They so badly want to conquer that unassailable peak.

On 9/5/2025 at 5:56 PM, Red Phoenix said:

 

There are hundreds of articles/studies that show the effectiveness of homeopathic remedies also for ANIMALS. 

So far for the 'placebo-effect' touted by those that do not know what they are talking about...

 

 

Absolute BS!

 

If there are any positive results of homeopathic treatment of animals - it is simply following my number 1 tenet of veterinary practice.   ie:  most illnesses will heal despite treatment!     The immune system is amazing.

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Please share with us your original scientific research and a link to all the studies you've conducted in conjunction with your 'internet friends'.  But... sadly your dogs ate your homework, right?

 

Regurgitating other's poorly supported opinions is something anyone can do.  Let's cut to the main course.

OK. And I promise I'll not use Google or ask anyone.

 

Let's start with Nature. We are Nature. Nature is us. The very earth that we live on gives us everything we need. Earth, wind and fire. The earth gives us food, The wind brings water and air. The sun is the fire. Everything, yes everything, we see or make comes from the earth. Nature is all.

 

We humans have over the last 150/200 years gradually, lost the essential traits of what it means to be human. We appear to have dumped our spirituality. We have lost our reason for being on the earth. We have lost ourselves. Also, importantly we have lost the nutrition in our food, especially minerals, that were once there in abundance;

 

A good deal of these losses were, IMO, due to enforced education. Some due to industrialisation/modernisation. And much due to the health industry being hi-jacked by Big Pharma and big money. 

 

A major turning point was the birth of the FED. Suddenly, real power was in the hands of money people. Industrialisation, the motor car, the need for oil and energy transformed the following years. And Public health was not to be left out. During this period 1900 - 1920, nature based health gave way to financed health systems. Of course there was not so much dosh to be made from nature, as there could be from selling drugs; often from the left overs of the oil and chemical industry. Medical schools, linked to hospitals, were being funded by the money people who really didn't care about health; but they did care about making money.

 

During this decade, doctors, who were based in natural healing, were labeled quacks. And to this day the term is in common use. Also during this decade many more viruses were 'discovered' in humans. (The first was Popper's polio experiments in 1908), Suddenly there was a new kid on the block. The virus. Although a scary, invisible enemy had been about for decades. But, Popper nailed it by injecting a soup directly into monkey's brains. It gave the desired result and this method became the standard way to find a virus, for some 40+ years thereafter.

 

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Forward to 1954, and Dr Enders experiments with measles. Popper's way of determining whether a virus was present in a sample died a death. There was a new proven method of isolating a virus. And quickly vaccines followed.

 

More to follow.

 

I'll leave it there for now, as it is a huge topic; in fact a book's worth. But I'll welcome any questions.

 

9 hours ago, G Rex said:

 

Absolute BS!

 

If there are any positive results of homeopathic treatment of animals - it is simply following my number 1 tenet of veterinary practice.   ie:  most illnesses will heal despite treatment!     The immune system is amazing.

Your belief that it cannot work is stronger than the +200 years of practice and the mountain of evidence (covering entire libraries) demonstrating the effectiveness of homeopathic remedies.  

Because your so called 'science' sources are not able to explain the mechanism by which homeopathy works, they dismiss it as quackery, and ignore the easily verifiable and reproducible success of homeopathic treatments.  

"We cannot explain it, so it must be fraud".  It's akin to trying to analyze the physical substance of radio-waves.   

10 hours ago, JackGats said:

Red Phoenix, give your name I assume you might be from the land of Freedom and Liberty. Now in that land you're not even free to go up to woman and say "I'll give you one hundred, let's go to my room and have fun". If you do that they sentence you and put your mug in the paper. The Constitution says you are free to pursue happiness but you are anything but free to do so on your own terms. So since you are of a polemic disposition, why not fight for something worth it, like the above-mentioned freedom for a change?

 

Much in modern medecine deserves criticism but vaccines are probably the most unobjectionable and the most successful aspect of it. If you want to pick on medecine, why not inveigh against the abuse of statins, the unnecessary prolongation of suffering in patients who are terminally ill or have Alzheimer's?

Contrary to what you assume I am not an American citizen, and english is not even my 2nd language.  

But vaccine-tyranny has also pervaded my home-country (and Thailand), but luckily not (yet) to the extent as in the $-obsessed US.  

9 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

OK. And I promise I'll not use Google or ask anyone....... huge time saving SNIP  

Since you didn't mention any research personally conducted by yourself, I must assume you did NONE and your opinions on human disease are therefor derived from other's efforts.  Is that accurate?

On 9/5/2025 at 5:19 PM, BLMFem said:

yes I have had most, if not all, the above vaccines as a kid  and thankfully never suffered from any of the above diseases

However I have also had 3 covid shots yet have had the disease at least 3 times   So some vaccines obviously work better than others

Then there are long term effects to consider, the latest of the vaxes on your list is for chicken pox which was made available 50 years ago so a wealth of data is available even more so for the others

The covid vax was developed in a matter of months and unleashed immediately, Some examples have already been withdrawn, it is clearly not 100% effective as claimed,    so how safe actually  is it?    nobody really knows.... not  yet anyway

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Since you didn't mention any research personally conducted by yourself, I must assume you did NONE and your opinions on human disease are therefor derived from other's efforts.  Is that accurate?

You can assume what you like. That's OK. Early days yet Gamby. I'm here for the long haul. Trying to get AN members to open their minds.

 

I'm confident in my ability to fight my corner on various, but related health issues. I'll list some below, and you can choose one and we can debate.

 

#1 We have lost touch with nature.

#2 There is no such thing as a pathogenic virus.

#3 Illness is not infectious.

#4 Diseases do not exist.

#5 We, humans, do not have a 'immune system' but a defence system.

#6 'Cancer' is the body protecting us.

#7 'We are what we eat', and our food is not as nutritious as it should be, and once was.

#8 Nature is only interested in two things; survival and reproduction.

#9 Vaccines have never been 'safe' & 'effective' under any circumstances. 

#X Plumbing and waste disposal had more to do with eliminating illnesses than any vaccine.

#11 Our bodies will self-heal given the tools.

#12 The way to the body is through the mind.

#13

#14 Vaccines are one of the biggest frauds of modern times.

#15 Covid was a 'deep state' operation and was planned from 2017.

#16 If you are sick; go seek out a medical expert. Don't forget a big bag to carry the pills back.

 

I'll not mention 5G or EMFs generally being detrimental to human, and animal health, as that maybe considered slightly off topic.

 

So! There yer go Gamby. There must be one or two that you don't agree with, and could highlight for debate. I'll open a new OP.

 

Foot note: My dissertation at Uni was on running.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

13 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Please share with us your original scientific research and a link to all the studies you've conducted in conjunction with your 'internet friends'.  But... sadly your dogs ate your homework, right?

 

Regurgitating other's poorly supported opinions is something anyone can do.  Let's cut to the main course.

 

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

OK. And I promise I'll not use Google or ask anyone.

 

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1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Since you didn't mention any research personally conducted by yourself, I must assume you did NONE and your opinions on human disease are therefor derived from other's efforts.  Is that accurate?

Sharp readers will notice that I asked you to share a description your 'original scientific research' and you responded with the usual grade school understanding about Nature.  That was my post that you responded to. 

 

Since your response contained no such information it is natural to assume there isn't any.

 

Please enlighten us with your efforts in the advancement of the world's understanding of human disease.  Is there any?

 

Apparently, your opinion on viruses is actually someone else's opinion.... You have repeatedly referenced that Nobel prize winners agree with your opinion... but you never go beyond making such claims!!!

 

2 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Apparently, your opinion on viruses is actually someone else's opinion.... You have repeatedly referenced that Nobel prize winners agree with your opinion... but you never go beyond making such claims!!!

My opinion on viruses is this: Never, has a virus been isolated** and been shown to cause anything. Except fear. Show me a paper where it has, and I'll read it.

 

And if no virus! What are vaxxes for?

 

Dr Enders was a Nobel Prize winner; was he not. And didn't he show that it was the procedure that caused the breakdown of the petri dish soup. It's all in his paper. Why not read it.

 

** If an entity is not isolated, it cannot be shown to cause anything.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

My opinion on viruses is this: Never, has a virus been isolated** and been shown to cause anything. Except fear. Show me a paper where it has, and I'll read it.

 

And if no virus! What are vaxxes for?

 

Dr Enders was a Nobel Prize winner; was he not. And didn't he show that it was the procedure that caused the breakdown of the petri dish soup. It's all in his paper. Why not read it.

 

** If an entity is not isolated, it cannot be shown to cause anything.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

What do you mean by never isolated?

 

Never been shown to cause anything? Except after you vaccine a population against a pathogen, fatalities drop from 100 thousand per year to 10 per year. Not bad for a virus that has never been shown to cause anything.

18 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Of course there is. Hoover, Dyson etc.

 

I stand corrected. 😉

3 minutes ago, JackGats said:

What do you mean by never isolated?

 

Never been shown to cause anything? Except after you vaccine a population against a pathogen, fatalities drop from 100 thousand per year to 10 per year. Not bad for a virus that has never been shown to cause anything.

Do you not know about procedures Sir?

 

There are certain steps in lab-work. Find the virus in some's mucus. Isolate the virus. Then show that it can cause what was claimed on the first place. The white-coat virologists, which is nothing but a fraud, don't even attempt that. For a couple of reasons. Another story, another time.

 

Except, that after you vaccine a population against a pathogen, fatalities drop from 100 thousand per year to 10 per year. Not bad for a virus that has never been shown to cause anything.

 

Untrue and simply nonsense. In fact I'll call that part of you post; monumental humbug.

 

A walk in the Black Forest might work wonders for you Jack.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

15 hours ago, JackGats said:

Much in modern medecine deserves criticism but vaccines are probably the most unobjectionable and the most successful aspect of it.

Try 'one of the biggest hoaxes of modern science'.

 

There is no; ',,,successful aspect of it.'

 

They are seen as the poisons by the body. Which they often are. They cause immense harm, suffering and deaths. And make a lot of people wealthy. Wealthier than what they already are. Just pure greed.

 

When the dollar lining white-coat's pockets comes before health something is very wrong with the system.

 

Hope Kennedy can sort things out, for the sake of the little children.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Try 'one of the biggest hoaxes of modern science'.

 

There is no; ',,,successful aspect of it.'

 

They are seen as the poisons by the body. Which they often are. They cause immense harm, suffering and deaths. And make a lot of people wealthy. Wealthier than what they already are. Just pure greed.

 

When the dollar lining white-coat's pockets comes before health something is very wrong with the system.

 

Hope Kennedy can sort things out, for the sake of the little children.

 

 

 

The childrens' well being has been sorted out with vaccines like MMR. polio, TB etc

3 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

The childrens' well being has been sorted out with vaccines like MMR. polio, TB etc

Is that why 1 in 33 US kids are autistic?

24 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Do you not know about procedures Sir?

 

There are certain steps in lab-work. Find the virus in some's mucus. Isolate the virus. Then show that it can cause what was claimed on the first place. The white-coat virologists, which is nothing but a fraud, don't even attempt that. For a couple of reasons. Another story, another time.

 

Except, that after you vaccine a population against a pathogen, fatalities drop from 100 thousand per year to 10 per year. Not bad for a virus that has never been shown to cause anything.

 

Untrue and simply nonsense. In fact I'll call that part of you post; monumental humbug.

 

A walk in the Black Forest might work wonders for you Jack.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

So it's not just vaccines that are no good, it's viruses not even existing. Well, well, well. The myriad of biologists since Pasteur who've worked in the realm of virology have been on a wild goose chase then. It's a hell of a lot of highly educated people leading a life of utter self-delusion.

21 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Is that why 1 in 33 US kids are autistic?

 

 

No

On 9/6/2025 at 10:05 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

I do not agree with the above.

 

1. Inactivated (Killed) Vaccines: There is no virus what so ever in this type of vaccine.

 

2. Subunit, Recombinant, and mRNA/DNA Vaccines: These vaxxes are designed in a computer. IMO, there is no such thing as a spike protein.

 

3. Live-Attenuated Vaccines: A few vaccines, such as those for measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR), contain a weakened, or "attenuated," form of the virus. Absolute catbasket. Have a read of Dr Ender's 1954 measles experiments.

 

The symptoms people report after vaccination—fever, aches, and fatigue—are not the disease itself. They are a sign that the immune system is building a protective response to the vaccine. This is the body's normal reaction to any foreign substance and is a sign that the vaccine is working.

 

Vaccines are seen as poisons to the body. Some of their ingredients are put in there as irritants (adjuvants). As soon as the vaxx hits the bloods, maybe even on the penetration insult, globulins are mustered and sent in as soldiers to fight the invader. The symptoms one might get is a result of the body's defence system at work.

You've become infatuated with out-of-date thoughts on health issues.   Get over it and you can enjoy a modern existence with less worry about infectious diseases.

57 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Is that why 1 in 33 US kids are autistic?

 

 

No

Simple answers for simple minds

Can Red Phoenix prove it is not a clanker? Has anybody actually interacted with it IRL? It certainly bears all of the clanker traits: appearing to be human, responding to real humans in its one-dimensional, robotic way, making wild, unjustified, unsupported, preposterous claims, developing its own set of "facts"

2 minutes ago, Peabody said:

Simple answers for simple minds

 

Yes that was my intention....make it as simple as possible for him.

 

 

Well spotted genius.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Is that why 1 in 33 US kids are autistic?

That would be due to poor genes. 

 

Blame the parents for passing on inferior DNA. 

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

That would be due to poor genes. 

 

Blame the parents for passing on inferior DNA. 

Post any old tripe to protect the vaxx; why don't you Sir.

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It's all a con. Good to see some on here (AN) - who were originally unsure - did some research and now have doubts about the whole charade. and once awake they don'tgo back to sleep.

 

It's a house of cards, built on quicksand. Can Kennedy bring it crashing? Fingers Xed.

 

1 hour ago, Peabody said:

Can Red Phoenix prove it is not a clanker? Has anybody actually interacted with it IRL? It certainly bears all of the clanker traits: appearing to be human, responding to real humans in its one-dimensional, robotic way, making wild, unjustified, unsupported, preposterous claims, developing its own set of "facts"

Not sure what this actually means. Do you mean 'clanger'?

 

There is CDC, FDA, etc. but the IRL? Hope Kennedy can put them straight.

6 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Dr Enders was a Nobel Prize winner; was he not. And didn't he show that it was the procedure that caused the breakdown of the petri dish soup. It's all in his paper. Why not read it.

I think you need a hard re-boot.... your system seems unable to understand the information input.  Dr. Enders did not agree that there is no such thing as a virus.

20 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

I think you need a hard re-boot.... your system seems unable to understand the information input.  Dr. Enders did not agree that there is no such thing as a virus.

Read his paper. A couple of bits worth considering:

 

The methodology. He did a control. 

The summary. He said that the control yielded the same result.

The conclusion. That the control yielded the same result has to be considered in drawing any evaluation.

 

And, ever since, it was this experiment that has become the gold standard way of finding a virus. Virologists don't bother with the control though. Wonder why?