45 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No they're not, they can easily get out of any treaty, as we've established.

 

They just don't do it in some cases. Because they don't have the will to do it.

One last time for the hard of comprehension.

 

Termination of Treaties.— 'Typically the treaty itself provides for its termination by notice of one of the parties, usually after a prescribed time from the date of notice. Of course, treaties may also be terminated by agreement of the parties, or by breach by one of the parties'.  

 

In other words, within the agreement of the treaty there will be clauses that say, 'If you want to break this treaty then....................................." usually followed by a timescale and penalties for not doing what is agreed. Britain (like many civilised countries around the world) has become the country it is through hundreds of years of treaties and agreements and understands it's word is it's bond.   

Your issue is why everyone can't do just what Trump does who UNILATERLY ignores treaties the US has signed up to and ignores decades of agreements to suit his own agenda. This 'be damned with the consequences' attitude does in fact comes with consequences as who in their right mind will sign up for a treaty with the US now when they know full well Trump will just ignore it when it suits him. 

3 hours ago, Purdey said:

Unfortunately, the French have no obligation to help the UK after Brexit. They probably worry about their own sovereignty should illegal immigrants stay in France. 

There were hardly any migrant returns to France before Brexit, so that's a moot point. The Dublin Agreement wasn't worth the paper it was written on for the UK. 

16 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Is an Illegal Drug dealer from Albania released from Prison and informed he will be deported back to Albania an isolated case for remaining because his Son will be impacted due his love of Chicken Nuggets ? This is what we have to put up with due to the ECHR.

 

Yah, that's true, but it is only for very isolated and few cases. The UK still has the freedom to deport criminals. The ECHR does not stop the UK from embarking on a giant mass deportation programme, if it should so desire.

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It's just there's no political will to see it through in the UK.

 

And I would bet my shirt that police would not be keen to do it. You need a special force for it, like in the US. 

 

It needs political will and a special infrastructure to accomplish it. Merely  leaving the ECHR will not solve the real problem.

Cameroni a convicted terroist that has been locked up in the US will soon arrive or maybe he is already back in England was told by a jugde in the UK  " we wish you well in the future " his extreme intentions will carry on back in the UK. These are the same judges who allow Rapists, sex offenders , and thieves prevent them from being deported to there country of origin. Not only do we have to leave the ECHR but we need to look at the Judicary and weed out Woke Judges. 

1 hour ago, baansgr said:

Dan norris sex pest and although not an MP now because he was suspended, just wonder how many more there are...and as for 3 house Rayner the tax dodger, she should be arrested,. prosecuted and imprisoned...I'm.sure you don't want to reply, cos you know you have been outed in what you support 

Good that this topic has ‘smoked out’ a couple more swivel eyed loony left Gruiniad reading marxists. The abject stupidity in their anti-British anti-Brexit arguments knows no bounds.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's what they said with Brexit, this and that will happen, immigration will be brought under control, UK will be sole sovereign, not Brussels.

 

Yet, years down the line and you're still moaning about Brussels.

Yes thats what the British people Democratically voted for, however the elites ignored the people’s will and consequently we now have turmoil.

19 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Cameroni a convicted terroist that has been locked up in the US will soon arrive or maybe he is already back in England was told by a jugde in the UK  " we wish you well in the future " his extreme intentions will carry on back in the UK. These are the same judges who allow Rapists, sex offenders , and thieves prevent them from being deported to there country of origin. Not only do we have to leave the ECHR but we need to look at the Judicary and weed out Woke Judges. 

 

When Aswat sought extradition from the US, he was supported by the UK government in that. So you should again start with your UK politicians.

 

He's already been in the UK for a while. It would appear he suffers from mental illness after serving over 10 years in prison in the US.

 

This is no doubt why the judge showed him some humanity. No UK judge would want an insane man imprisoned, with or without the ECHR.

5 minutes ago, Tiger1980 said:

Yes thats what the British people Democratically voted for, however the elites ignored the people’s will and consequently we now have turmoil.

 

Certainly it would appear the promise of solving the immigration problem by leaving the EU has not been kept.

 

It looks the same, or worse than ever, in terms of immigration issues.

 

There is no will in British politics to get this issue solved. Neither the EU nor the ECHR is stopping the UK from solviing this problem. Only its own politicians.

54 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Britain (like many civilised countries around the world) has become the country it is through hundreds of years of treaties and agreements and understands it's word is it's bond.   

Correction. 

                  Britain (like many civilised countries around the world)  became the country it was through hundreds of years of treaties and agreements and understands it's word is it's bond.

 

                  Sadly, due to a recent succession of inept governments,  it is now a shadow of its former self, and its "word" counts for nothing   in the great scheme of things

                 So we should just do as we please from now on

3 hours ago, Mark1969 said:

What changed to cause the immigrant influx?

 

Bigger rubber boats

23 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

So Brexit worked out great.

 

Immigration problem totally solved.

Corrupt remainer politicians to blame, britain would have pulled out of the ECHR to give us the right to send back invaders or stop the boats. Too many politicians working for the W.E.F who are funding this. So stop your bleating about brexit when it was never allowed to be totally followed through. 

Anyone reading western media news is well aware that there’s a mob of far right morons going around the UK shouting at hotels .

To suggest that the public are unaware of what’s going on is disingenuous.

8 minutes ago, RickyJB said:

Corrupt remainer politicians to blame, britain would have pulled out of the ECHR to give us the right to send back invaders or stop the boats. Too many politicians working for the W.E.F who are funding this. So stop your bleating about brexit when it was never allowed to be totally followed through. 

 

The ECHR is not stopping the UK from deporting criminals in most cases and embarking on a mass deportation programme.

 

And who voted the politicians in place, the French? The Belgians? 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Correction. 

                  Britain (like many civilised countries around the world)  became the country it was through hundreds of years of treaties and agreements and understands it's word is it's bond.

 

                  Sadly, due to a recent succession of inept governments,  it is now a shadow of its former self, and its "word" counts for nothing   in the great scheme of things

                 So we should just do as we please from now on

And when, in your opinion, did the UK become 'a shadow of its former self'?

38 minutes ago, RickyJB said:

Corrupt remainer politicians to blame, britain would have pulled out of the ECHR to give us the right to send back invaders or stop the boats. Too many politicians working for the W.E.F who are funding this. So stop your bleating about brexit when it was never allowed to be totally followed through. 

Ahh the classic, 'it would have all been fine if only the EU allowed us to do everything we wanted' argument.

 

Why would they? Once you leave the club why should you expect all the other members to do your bidding? Brexit was/is an unmitigated disaster causing massive economic problems for the UK and providing none of the promised benefits to include stopping migrants. 

I assume you wanted Brexit so at least own your bad choices.

32 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Anyone reading western media news is well aware that there’s a mob of far right morons going around the UK shouting at hotels .

To suggest that the public are unaware of what’s going on is disingenuous.

They  are generally shouting at the far left morons,   To assert anybody is "shouting at hotels" is plainly ridiculous

From what I can gather most of the concerned patriots demonstrating are local people , it is the loony left who travel the length and breadth of the country causing trouble

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

The ECHR is not stopping the UK from deporting criminals in most cases and embarking on a mass deportation programme.

Total B.S.!

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Again, you are more than welcome to refute my facts.

Facts about what?..you don't agree about tax thieve Rayner and you don't believe dan norris is a nonce..what about those facts???

9 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

What has it got to do with Brexit?

 

French government etc allowing it openly and brazenly.

 

Let's get this filth out, idiots, successive governments were warned by Muslim countries that Europe thought they were smarter than them understanding Islam, and all the clowns in government ignored them.

 

Muslim brotherhood openly activating setting up charities to fund terrorism through UK banks, so are Hezbollah etc

Until Brexit, we were part of the Dublin agreement, that meant we could send asylum seekers back to the first EU country they entered unless they had some sort of family ties to the UK.

That we didn't do that is our own fault, not the EUs.

Brexit means we exited from the Dublin agreement...

8 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

What happened was the French, who never really liked us, have allowed, and assisted, constant streams OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to cross the channel illegally.

 

But you know this, so you are just baiting me.

Oh yeah, it's always the others. Of course it's the fault of the French only 😂😂😂

Do they include meals with the hotel when staying at the Britannia?

 

 

The UK is doomed....

DOOMED, I say.

 

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

They  are generally shouting at the far left morons,   To assert anybody is "shouting at hotels" is plainly ridiculous

From what I can gather most of the concerned patriots demonstrating are local people , it is the loony left who travel the length and breadth of the country causing trouble

You are literally supporting a pro-Nazi group.

'Activists for the Homeland party, which was formed as a splinter organisation from Patriotic Alternative, Britain’s biggest far-right group, have set up a number of online groups in an attempt to spread the protests that recently engulfed a hotel in Epping"  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/aug/23/members-of-far-right-party-organising-asylum-hotel-protests-across-uk-facebook-posts-show

32 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You are literally supporting a pro-Nazi group

maybe I am, but looking at the photo and all those nice old ladies, makes me think you need to check the definition of "Nazi"

In fact even without the pic you need to learn the difference between concerned citizens and nazis 

And No.     nazi's contrary to what you may think are not simply people who do not share your flawed thinking 

19 hours ago, freedomnow said:

A key thing that swung Brexit was the belief by many that it would seal the migrant influx.

It was a slim margin and without that friction element it may have been a NO vs a YES.

 

Screwed the pound to Baht - that much is for sure.

I'm just going to quote myself here again after getting 4 thumbs down ?

 

Is anyone really arguing that brexit was good for the pound to Baht ?

 

 

All the political adverts were promising end of migrant influx at Brexit vote time..can anyone argue with that ? It was a big part of the swing vote...and brexit did sweet FA.

10 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

I'm just going to quote myself here again after getting 4 thumbs down ?

 

Is anyone really arguing that brexit was good for the pound to Baht ?

 

 

All the political adverts were promising end of migrant influx at Brexit vote time..can anyone argue with that ? It was a big part of the swing vote...and brexit did sweet FA.

 

Well, that''s not entirely true. It did let the UK achieve one new record, "Asylum claims in the UK reached a record high in 2024, with 108,000 people claiming asylum"

 

https://www.ein.org.uk/news/asylum-claims-reached-record-high-108000-2024-new-home-office-immigration-statistics-show

 

Maybe not the direction Brexit intended, but a record is a record.

34 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

All the political adverts were promising end of migrant influx at Brexit vote time..can anyone argue with that ? It was a big part of the swing vote...and brexit did sweet FA.

How to say you don't know the difference between EU freedom of movement and illegals arriving on boats, without actually saying it...🙄

42 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

How to say you don't know the difference between EU freedom of movement and illegals arriving on boats, without actually saying it...🙄

The billboard adverts to sway voters were about migrants just before the brexit vote.

I get the EU freedom of movement barrier on exit.

Apparently, there is almost as much media and influencers as actual protesters and counter protesters.
 

 

 

 

 

 

Another take on it.

 

6 hours ago, HK MacPhooey said:

Good that this topic has ‘smoked out’ a couple more swivel eyed loony left Gruiniad reading marxists. The abject stupidity in their anti-British anti-Brexit arguments knows no bounds.

Can you post in English.