Just now, Des1 said:

X 10, or a thousand or a million 555

first... the science community has no evil agenda  .. second .. vacccines have protected us from polio etc...

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

RE; Vaccinated v Unvaccinated study.

 

Could you not say why you think it is 'BS'?

consider this ... if you saw a scientific study that said vaccinations worked... then saw another study that said they don"t ...what would you believe? I suggest your predetermined bias clouds your view...not objective, as much as you might try to claim. So, there you go. We agree to disagree. lol

All this mistrust of vaccines started with covid. Some people believed because the government (in the UKanyway) sped up the testing and therefore the covid vaccine was unsafe. That was bullish*t. It normally takes years for vaccines to be approved simply because that's the speed government normally works. In an emergency more people can be employed on the case, cancel overtime, work around the clock and deliver a result in a few months, without compromising any of the integrity of the procedure. Anyone who's applied for planning permission (UK again) knows how long a simple procedure can take when dealing with government departments. 

Anyway, we now have the same whackjobs telling us all vaccines are unsafe. Meanwhile children are not getting vaccinated! 

Where were these people before covid?

2 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

All this mistrust of vaccines started with covid. Some people believed because the government (in the UKanyway) sped up the testing and therefore the covid vaccine was unsafe. That was bullish*t. It normally takes years for vaccines to be approved simply because that's the speed government normally works. In an emergency more people can be employed on the case, cancel overtime, work around the clock and deliver a result in a few months, without compromising any of the integrity of the procedure. Anyone who's applied for planning permission (UK again) knows how long a simple procedure can take when dealing with government departments. 

Anyway, we now have the same whackjobs telling us all vaccines are unsafe. Meanwhile children are not getting vaccinated! 

Where were these people before covid?

blah, blah, blah

 

1 minute ago, Des1 said:

blah, blah, blah

 

Yup, that's the quality of argument I'm talking about 😂

11 hours ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

All this mistrust of vaccines started with covid. Some people believed because the government (in the UKanyway) sped up the testing and therefore the covid vaccine was unsafe. That was bullish*t. It normally takes years for vaccines to be approved simply because that's the speed government normally works. In an emergency more people can be employed on the case, cancel overtime, work around the clock and deliver a result in a few months, without compromising any of the integrity of the procedure. Anyone who's applied for planning permission (UK again) knows how long a simple procedure can take when dealing with government departments. 

Anyway, we now have the same whackjobs telling us all vaccines are unsafe. Meanwhile children are not getting vaccinated! 

Where were these people before covid?

 

mRNA research is decades old.

they decided to use it for covid, but it was being developed for decades. 

 

and it cannot really be compared to other vaccines because it's a completely different technology. 

 

Just now, save the frogs said:

 

mRNA research is decades old.

they decided to use it for covid, but it was being developed for decades. 

 

and it cannot really be compared to other vaccines because it's a completely different technology. 

 

All vaccines are unique but the verification procedure is the same. They used the same procedure. The results weren't compromised by that

3 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

Yup, that's the quality of argument I'm talking about 😂

take a break from your rant .. 555

1 minute ago, Des1 said:

take a break from your rant .. 555

More intelligent responses and these people get to vote! 😂

23 minutes ago, Des1 said:

first... the science community has no evil agenda  .. second .. vacccines have protected us from polio etc...

 

No.  The agenda is greed.

 

Which makes this comment attributed to one of the researchers of the OP study even more disturbing:

 

The study was conducted some 4 years ago, but confronted with the results showing that vaccinated children were multiple times more prone to chronic diseases than unvaccinated children, the researchers decided not to publish it as it would be a job and career-killer doing so.  

 

(That's from a previous post...)

 

Leading me to wonder how much other good science is being squelched because scientists fear for their careers? 

 

Who, exactly, do you think funds the studies?  Who decides which studies get funded and published (and which don't)?

 

 

On 9/12/2025 at 11:37 PM, connda said:

Post "pandemic" this is called, "Trusting The Science." 

 

what you people fail to mention in your conspiracy rants is that mRNA technology is being studied to cure multiple diseases.

 

If it was just a sinister plot, they wouldn't be wasting so much money on all these research projects. 

 

Of course, Big Pharma might just be trying to make money and there may be serious side effects to these treatments? That's also a possibility I guess ... but the other possibility is more diseases will be cured. 

 

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/mrna-therapeutics-technology-saved-world

 

What's Next for mRNA Therapies?

Even before COVID-19 made mRNA a household name, many clinical trials were already underway using mRNA in vaccines for infectious diseases, cancers, and autoimmune diseases. A recent search of ClinicalTrials.gov found 1,961 studies involving mRNA, of which more than 100 are already in Phase III. Programs include mRNA used in respiratory diseases, different types of cancer, herpes, metabolic syndromes, kidney diseases, heart diseases, and even obesity. Even after a year of vaccine availability for COVID-19, a stunning 18 clinical trials are underway related to SARS-CoV2 conditions.

 

3 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

All this mistrust of vaccines started with covid. Some people believed because the government (in the UKanyway) sped up the testing and therefore the covid vaccine was unsafe. That was bullish*t. It normally takes years for vaccines to be approved simply because that's the speed government normally works. In an emergency more people can be employed on the case, cancel overtime, work around the clock and deliver a result in a few months, without compromising any of the integrity of the procedure. Anyone who's applied for planning permission (UK again) knows how long a simple procedure can take when dealing with government departments. 

Anyway, we now have the same whackjobs telling us all vaccines are unsafe. Meanwhile children are not getting vaccinated! 

Where were these people before covid?

Covid and the following Pandemic was certainly a factor in waking people up. Might say like never before. But if you could cast yer mind back, there were other times.

 

Perhaps Thalidomide woke people up. All over the world. In the US, a FDA researcher stood alone, and refused to give it the 'green light'. Dr Lesley Kelsey stood firm. Said she wanted more evidence that the drug was safe. Of course there wasn't any such evidence. She held firm for the best part of 2 years. Put under immense pressure to give the 'thumbs up'. Now, I ask, what did she see, that the many others on the advisory panel did not?

 

Vioxx. a disgraceful poison masquerading as a drug. Took off the market after causing huge damage.

 

Many others. So much for 'safe' & 'effective'. Many huge fines for these Big Pharma outfits.

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

No.  The agenda is greed.

 

Which makes this comment attributed to one of the researchers of the OP study even more disturbing:

 

The study was conducted some 4 years ago, but confronted with the results showing that vaccinated children were multiple times more prone to chronic diseases than unvaccinated children, the researchers decided not to publish it as it would be a job and career-killer doing so.  

 

(That's from a previous post...)

 

Leading me to wonder how much other good science is being squelched because scientists fear for their careers? 

 

Who, exactly, do you think funds the studies?  Who decides which studies get funded and published (and which don't)?

 

 

Well, excuse me for not giving credence to your obvious superior knowledge, so much more than people who have spent years studing biochemestry, what the f**k do they know .. and of course they are involved in the deep state to... umm, to do what exacty?

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

What you people fail to mention in your conspiracy rants is that mRNA technology is being studied to cure multiple diseases.

Utter nonsense. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's Monumental Humbug.

 

You can't poison a body to good health. It's all a giant money-making hoax. There is no such thing as 'Disease' as it is.

 

You simply do not know what you are on about.

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Covid and the following Pandemic was certainly a factor in waking people up. Might say like never before. But if you could cast yer mind back, there were other times.

 

Perhaps Thalidomide woke people up. All over the world. In the US, a FDA researcher stood alone, and refused to give it the 'green light'. Dr Lesley Kelsey stood firm. Said she wanted more evidence that the drug was safe. Of course there wasn't any such evidence. She held firm for the best part of 2 years. Put under immense pressure to give the 'thumbs up'. Now, I ask, what did she see, that the many others on the advisory panel did not?

 

Vioxx. a disgraceful poison masquerading as a drug. Took off the market after causing huge damage.

 

Many others. So much for 'safe' & 'effective'. Many huge fines for these Big Pharma outfits.

 

Plenty of lengthy studies had been undertaken on the validity of vaccines before covid.

Yes, thalidomide was a terrible mistake and thousands of children suffered. That doesn't mean the covid vaccination is inherently flawed, All it proves is no vaccine is 100% safe. That has always been the case but the gains FAR OUTWEIGH the risks.

There has always been a very small percentage of people who suffer adverse side effects and even, very rarely death.

 

9 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

No.  The agenda is greed.

 

Which makes this comment attributed to one of the researchers of the OP study even more disturbing:

 

The study was conducted some 4 years ago, but confronted with the results showing that vaccinated children were multiple times more prone to chronic diseases than unvaccinated children, the researchers decided not to publish it as it would be a job and career-killer doing so.  

 

(That's from a previous post...)

 

Leading me to wonder how much other good science is being squelched because scientists fear for their careers? 

 

Who, exactly, do you think funds the studies?  Who decides which studies get funded and published (and which don't)?

 

 

Well, that would be evil. So shame on you for denegrating their work

 

So glad that I was vaccinated against common childhood diseases. I don't have autism too. I must be one of the lucky ones.

Oh.

None of the kids in my school caught anything nasty either.

10 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Utter nonsense. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's Monumental Humbug.

 

You can't poison a body to good health. It's all a giant money-making hoax. There is no such thing as 'Disease' as it is.

 

You simply do not know what you are on about.

 

I knew you'd rear your ugly head in this thread. 

 

I'm not a scientist, so whether these claims are far-fetched / a hoax / science fiction, is beyond my grasp. 

But an intriguing theory as to the potential of mRNA technology might be headed ... targeting cancer cells and informing the immune system on how to kill them. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211122-could-mrna-make-us-superhuman

 

Several pharmaceutical companies are also pursuing mRNA vaccines and treatments for cancer, and a number of clincial trials are underway. "Cancer cells will often have certain surface markers that the rest of the cells in your body don't have," says Blakney. “You can train your immune system to recognise and kill those cells, just like you can train your immune system to recognise and kill a virus: it's the same idea, you just figure out what proteins are on the surface of your tumour cells and use that as a vaccine."

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

No.  The agenda is greed.

 

Which makes this comment attributed to one of the researchers of the OP study even more disturbing:

 

The study was conducted some 4 years ago, but confronted with the results showing that vaccinated children were multiple times more prone to chronic diseases than unvaccinated children, the researchers decided not to publish it as it would be a job and career-killer doing so.  

 

(That's from a previous post...)

 

Leading me to wonder how much other good science is being squelched because scientists fear for their careers? 

 

Who, exactly, do you think funds the studies?  Who decides which studies get funded and published (and which don't)?

 

 

I feel sad for you

 

 

14 minutes ago, Des1 said:

Well, excuse me for not giving credence to your obvious superior knowledge, so much more than people who have spent years studing biochemestry, what the f**k do they know .. and of course they are involved in the deep state to... umm, to do what exacty?

Don't know why, but when reading your post this quote popped up in my mind: 

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

 

 

Just now, BillStrangeOgre said:

Yes, thalidomide was a terrible mistake and thousands of children suffered. That doesn't mean the covid vaccination is inherently flawed, All it proves is no vaccine is 100% safe. That has always been the case but the gains FAR OUTWEIGH the risks.

There has always been a very small percentage of people who suffer adverse side effects and even, very rarely death.

 

How do you know; the gains FAR OUTWEIGH the risks? Because Big Pharma says so? Because compromised health professionals say so? Because know-nothing, say-nothing white -coats shut their gobs because they are on a good earner. They should be looking after their patient's  health rather than their bank balance.

 

The whole system is rotten to the core.

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Don't know why, but when reading your post this quote popped up in my mind: 

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

 

That's funny coming from you. 

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Don't know why, but when reading your post this quote popped up in my mind: 

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

 

good for you, at least you do some reading

11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Don't know why, but when reading your post this quote popped up in my mind: 

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

 

Yes, myocarditis does appear to be a serious potential side effect of the vaccine.

 

But I wonder how unhealthy the individuals who succumbed to it were in the first place. I wonder if you have a fairly robust constitution, are not obese and eat a decent diet, if you are affected or more resilient to these side effects. After all, one case you cited was an 80 year old Japanese woman with a history of cardiac issues. 

 

What I want to know is this:

 

Are the parents of  usvaccinated .....

 

a. Dumber

b. Less well-educated..

 

than

 

c. Parents of vaccinated children.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Des1 said:

I feel sad for you

 

Playing the lefty card, eh?  If you have no good argument, attack the messenger.

 

On 9/13/2025 at 10:37 AM, connda said:

Color me surprised:  Researchers Found Unvaccinated Children Healthier Than Vaccinated

Now, had the researcher found that Vaccinated Children Healthier Than Unvaccinated, the paper would fit the "commonly accepted narrative" and would have been published.
But?
The researchers found that Unvaccinated Children Healthier Than Vaccinated - so they didn’t publish findings.

Post "pandemic" this is called, "Trusting The Science."  

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/researchers-found-unvaccinated-children-healthier-than-vaccinated-didnt-publish-findings-5912680

 

theepochtimes.com  'nuff said.

 

The Epoch Times is a far-right, international multi-language newspaper and media company with strong ties to the Falun Gong new religious movement. While founded to provide uncensored news about China, it has evolved into a prominent voice for conservative politics and conspiracy theories, especially since 2016.

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Playing the lefty card, eh?  If you have no good argument, attack the messenger.

 

Yes, if the messenger is an idiot

1 minute ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

theepochtimes.com  'nuff said.

 

This is where I get almost ALL my news.

 

8 minutes ago, Purdey said:

So glad that I was vaccinated against common childhood diseases. I don't have autism too. I must be one of the lucky ones.

Oh.

None of the kids in my school caught anything nasty either.

Exactly