1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

What's the point of arguing 5 years after the fact? It's over and done with. And we will not likely have another scenario like this in our lifetimes. 

 

For thousands (millions?) of us still living with vaccine injuries, it isn't over.  Not by a long shot.

 

Edit: And if there's no consequences this time, they'll pull the same crap again next time.

 

 

10 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So you don't figure there's been any additional data collected in the past 3 years?

 

Or earlier this year:

 

Vaccine misinformation: a lasting side effect from COVID

January 19, 2025

 

"A fringe anti-vaccine movement took advantage of the COVID-19 pandemic to bring conspiracy theories to a much wider audience, propelling dangerous misinformation about life-saving jabs that still endures five years later, experts warn.

 

Vaccine skepticism was around long before COVID but the pandemic "served as an accelerant, helping to turn a niche movement into a more powerful force," according to a 2023 paper in The Lancet journal. The pandemic also marked a change in strategy by anti-vaxxers, who previously targeted parents because children routinely received the most jabs.

 

But when next-generation vaccines were developed in record time to help bring COVID under control, mandatory vaccination was introduced for adults in many countries. Vaccine skepticism suddenly had a much larger audience, bringing together people across swathes of the political spectrum.

...

The pandemic saw conspiracy theorists, "alternative medicine" enthusiasts, politicians and even some doctors and researchers make or amplify false information about vaccines or COVID."

 

(more)

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2025-01-vaccine-misinformation-side-effect-covid.html

 

 

21 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The vaccines, especially early in the pandemic, DID REDUCE the risk of getting or spreading COVID.

 

Fact Check: Preventing transmission never required for COVID vaccines’ initial approval; Pfizer vax did reduce transmission of early variants

 

"To get emergency approval, companies needed to show that the vaccines were safe and prevented vaccinated people from getting ill. They did not have to show that the vaccine would also prevent people from spreading the virus to others. Once the vaccines were on the market, independent researchers in multiple countries studied people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and did show that vaccination reduced transmission of variants circulating at the time. [emphasis added]

...

Within months of the vaccine hitting the market, researchers in the UK (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-tra-idUKKBN2AQ1A7) and Israel (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762, opens new tab(21)00127-7/fulltext) began publishing studies suggesting that the Pfizer vaccine was reducing transmission of the virus.

In February 2021, for example, Israeli data (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736, opens new tab(21)00448-7/fulltext) showed a sharp drop in infections among healthcare workers within 15-28 days of receiving the two-shot Pfizer vaccine series, indicating the vaccine was not just preventing symptomatic disease, but also preventing the virus from being passed from person to person.

...

Evidence continued to build in 2021 that the mRNA-based vaccines prevented infections and onward transmission of the virus (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abl4292, opens new tab). But with the advent that year of the coronavirus Delta variant, plus waning immunity from vaccines delivered at the start of the year, protection against infection and transmission was seen to be dropping, although not eliminated, as previously described by Reuters Fact Check (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-vaccines-idUSL1N2SA1FZ).

 

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/preventing-transmission-never-required-covid-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/

 

 

 

Your response has nothing to do with my statement. Posting a link does nothing to address what I said. 

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Or earlier this year:

 

Vaccine misinformation: a lasting side effect from COVID

January 19, 2025

 

"A fringe anti-vaccine movement took advantage of the COVID-19 pandemic to bring conspiracy theories to a much wider audience, propelling dangerous misinformation about life-saving jabs that still endures five years later, experts warn.

 

Vaccine skepticism was around long before COVID but the pandemic "served as an accelerant, helping to turn a niche movement into a more powerful force," according to a 2023 paper in The Lancet journal. The pandemic also marked a change in strategy by anti-vaxxers, who previously targeted parents because children routinely received the most jabs.

 

But when next-generation vaccines were developed in record time to help bring COVID under control, mandatory vaccination was introduced for adults in many countries. Vaccine skepticism suddenly had a much larger audience, bringing together people across swathes of the political spectrum.

...

The pandemic saw conspiracy theorists, "alternative medicine" enthusiasts, politicians and even some doctors and researchers make or amplify false information about vaccines or COVID."

 

(more)

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2025-01-vaccine-misinformation-side-effect-covid.html

 

Did you notice that there isn't a single bit of data in your post there?

 

11 hours ago, impulse said:

 

For thousands (millions?) of us still living with vaccine injuries, it isn't over.  Not by a long shot.

 

Edit: And if there's no consequences this time, they'll pull the same crap again next time.

 

 

 

What symptoms do you have?

What was your health like before you got the shots?

What is your diet and exercise regimen? 

Let's dig deeper into these claims.

Dr. Frogs will let you know if you have "vaccine injuries" or if it's just related to diet or if it's "psychosomatic".

 

 

Just now, save the frogs said:

What symptoms do you have?

What was your health like before you got the shots?

What is your diet and exercise regimen? 

Let's dig deeper into these claims.

Dr. Frogs will let you know if you have "vaccine injuries" or if it's just related to diet or if it's "psychosomatic".

 

Thanks for the offer, but hard pass.

6 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

If I see factcheck mentioned again, I'm gonna kick the cat.

Careful now.... cats are smart.... he may dodge the incoming blow.... and you might instead kick the bucket.

48 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

It was all over the live news when Covid hit. There were so many bodies they had to use freezer trucks outside the hospitals in the Los Angeles area. Had body bags lined up on the news.

Of people that died from the vaccine? 

21 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

What symptoms do you have?

What was your health like before you got the shots?

What is your diet and exercise regimen? 

Let's dig deeper into these claims.

Dr. Frogs will let you know if you have "vaccine injuries" or if it's just related to diet or if it's "psychosomatic".

 

 

 

I had one Covid vaccine more or less as an experiment on myself to see who was right or wrong.

The recovery period (sitting in place) after the vaccine seemed very strange to me.

About 15 mins after getting out felt strange and just about made it home. Crawled to the sofa and spent the next approx. 24 hrs there, neither able to drink nor eat. Just the sight of food or drink made me sick but still threw up more times than I could count.

After about a day felt better and next 2-3 days pretty good. Then things started to change. Had horrendous histamine dumps at night which took a while to work out. I had to take anti-histamine before bed for about 2 months otherwise I was too terrified to sleep.

Then there were the 3 times I went to the hospital convinced I was going to die but not really having any clear symptoms.

A couple of instances of Tachycardia and what I presume to be POTS ........ and so it goes on. (there's another 2 years of this!)

Gave up on doctors so did my own education and through trial and error put myself through a 2 year diet plan. I was on turmeric and pineapple way before anyone had published anything!

 

Before the vaccine I was perfectly healthy. It took me about 2 years to regain perfect health. I think I managed to detox through trial and error and self study.

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The last time I checked, the Thai government had only found a handful of cases where it was confirmed that COVID vaccination was the cause of someone's death... And the vast majority of other cases were found to be from OTHER causes.

 

And, you have to remember, that Thailand did a lot of Astra-Zeneca vaccines in the early going, which were later pulled from the market, pretty early in the pandemic, because of a very rare problem with brain bleeding that hadn't surfaced in the clinical trials for AZ.  The mRNA vaccines did not have the same problem.

 

 

 

I seem to remember they had run out of money by the time it got to Pfizer!

10 hours ago, cmsally said:

Then there were the 3 times I went to the hospital convinced I was going to die but not really having any clear symptoms.

 

But that doesn't make any sense.

 

I'm guessing people are so terrified of vaccines that the so-called illnesses are mostly psychosomatic. 

 

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Of people that died from the vaccine? 

No, it was before they had the vaccine available.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

But that doesn't make any sense.

d, 

I'm guessing people are so terrified of vaccines that the so-called illnesses are mostly psychosomatic. 

 

I remember during coved, on this very forum, (I think it was TV back then) all the leftists had countless friends and family dying from covid, and no one on the right knew anyone that died... 

1 minute ago, Mark1969 said:

No, it was before they had the vaccine available.

So it has nothing to do with what I said. 

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So it has nothing to do with what I said. 

 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I remember during coved, on this very forum, (I think it was TV back then) all the leftists had countless friends and family dying from covid, and no one on the right knew anyone that died... 

B/S

Just now, still kicking said:

B/S

You are

1 minute ago, Mark1969 said:

 

This has nothing to do with what I said either, 

 

Why do you not read what I said, and apologize.

Just now, Yellowtail said:

You are

Typical misinformation 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

But that doesn't make any sense.

 

I'm guessing people are so terrified of vaccines that the so-called illnesses are mostly psychosomatic. 

 

Oh so sorry to burst your bubble   ...... I guess that explains why I couldn't walk farther than 50 metres on some days and barely had the energy to get up on others. As I said , this went on for about 2 years (first 6 months much worse as I was still  working out how to reverse it). Once I got on track it started to get better. The last hurdle was stamina which seemed to be caused by mitochondrial dysfunction. I went on a diet rich in CoQ10, L-Carnitine and a few other things. It took about 6 months to build up reliable stamina.

11 hours ago, cmsally said:

The last hurdle was stamina which seemed to be caused by mitochondrial dysfunction.

 

So you're claiming the vaccine causes mitochondrial dysfunction.

 

All of a sudden everyone is an expert on mitochondrial dysfunction. 

 

14 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Typical misinformation 

I know you are but what am I?

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I know you are but what am I?

On my ignore list

11 minutes ago, still kicking said:

On my ignore list

Go with God brother 

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

So you're claiming the vaccine causes mitochondrial dysfunction.

 

All of a sudden everyone is an expert on mitochondrial dysfunction. 

 

Yes, I would stand by that claim, and although it was practically impossible to find any articles on vaccine harm , the more I read on long Covid (I never had Covid) the more I realised how similar the symptoms were. Most of the material I used in the later stages, was related to long Covid

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11336094/

1 hour ago, cmsally said:

I seem to remember they had run out of money by the time it got to Pfizer!

 

Hard to run out of money when they had no more than a handful of cases -- out of more than 140 MILLION vaccine doses given here -- where it was found the vaccine actually caused anyone's death.

 

(The early AZ vaccine used here and elsewhere saved a lot of lives, many tens of thousands. But it also did have a very rare but real problem -- which did not occur with the mRNA vaccines -- that led to its removal relatively early in the pandemic.)

 

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

What symptoms do you have?

What was your health like before you got the shots?

What is your diet and exercise regimen? 

Let's dig deeper into these claims.

Dr. Frogs will let you know if you have "vaccine injuries" or if it's just related to diet or if it's "psychosomatic".

 

 

You’re gonna give diet advice?   LOL

11 hours ago, cmsally said:

I read on long Covid (I never had Covid)

 

So now you're claiming that it's possible to have "long Covid" without ever having had Covid.

 

Interesting. The plot thickens ... 

 

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

No, I don't think Covid "disinformation" is a major problem.

The powers that be understand the population demographics.

The powers that be understand that X% of the population are conspiracy theorists and/or don't trust vaccines.

So they went ahead with the rollout and they probably had statisticians predict how many people would not take the vaccine before it happened. 

What's the point of arguing 5 years after the fact? It's over and done with. And we will not likely have another scenario like this in our lifetimes. 

That wins the award for the silliest post on this issue - and the most ignorant.

 

Did you know that Semmelweis, Wegener, Halley, Newton and Einstein (and a lot more people in history) were all rubbished and attacked for their proposals - because they went against the 'official narrative' of the day. Have you been so deluded by your 'schooling' that you think that we all of a sudden know and understand everything. Do you not realise that not anything the Government and Authorities state is true? The truth is quite the opposite in the majority of cases - especially these days with all the vested interests involved - but over time they will change and the truth will out.

 

Newton was eventually accepted over Plato/Socrates/Euclid etc. and was then seen as the correct 'science' for almost 200 years - and that is why the establishment were locked into believing them - and why they later denied Einstein's theories. But over time Newton was proven to be correct, and since then Einstein has been proven to be correct again and again. Einstein's theories will remain the 'correct science' until another set of theories and science changes that - which will be denied and attacked at first of course.  When the Government gets involved in deciding what is correct science and what is not - they inevitably support the status quo - even more so when the status quo has them under their 'influence'.

 

Of note on this subject is that Newton wrote a lot more about Christianity and God than he did about Science. In fact he was severely attacked by the Catholic Churches of Europe for proposing that the Trinity was a corrupted addition to the original Christian Bible - and if he was not living in England he would have been arrested and put on trial.  His theory that the Earth's rotation was not 'perfect', and that many of the other beliefs of the Church were false, made him some very powerful enemies who saw such revelations as weakening their cause and influence. The Church is not as powerful as it once was - they have been replaced under Democracy by the Government Bureaucracies (CDC, FDA, etc) and Mandarins (like Fauci). Just like the Church, they believe that what they think and believe is correct (according to their teachings and scriptures) and that the People must be forced to accept and comply.  Is this ringing any bells?? 

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

So now you're claiming that it's possible to have "long Covid" without ever having had Covid.

 

Interesting. The plot thickens ... 

 

If you had bothered to read , I actually said the symptoms of long Covid were very similar to vaccine damage. In fact many of those who had long Covid may have been vaccine harmed.