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Is Christianity Really Under Attack in the US?

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Trump, MAGAs and the people who call themselves Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists like to claim Christianity in under attack in the US. Of course the US is a secular state, not a theocratic one like Iran, Afghanistan or Israel, but is the faith called Christianity under some sort of attack in the US?

 

I agree that it is. Most definitely Christianity is under attack in the USA.

 

I differ with those claiming it, however, because if it truly is under attack, it is by the very people claiming to be Christian, who quite obviously are nothing of the sort. Those calling themselves Evangelicals or Christian Nationalists are not in any way actual Christians. They are frauds hiding behind someone whose philosophy and teachings are anathema to them. They are, at best, hypocrites, and at worst, doomed for all eternity by the belief system they claim to follow.

 

Never has this been better outlined than in the NY Times bestseller “Separation of Church and Hate” by author John Fugelsang. I borrow extensively from Fugelsang here.

 

To get to the heart of the matter, one should go to the source, which is to look at what the actual teachings of the man called Jesus were. Now I won’t argue Jesus was even a real human being (vs a fiction carried down for the last 2000 years), but rather just look at what the man called Jesus supposedly taught.

 

It’s best to go to sources supposedly contemporary with the man, such as the Gospel writers Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Gospels written later were by authors who were neither contemporaries of Jesus nor ever knew him. Paul would be a good example of the latter.

 

In Matthew 25, Jesus lays out his basic rules for being an actual follower:

 

---Humility

---Care for the poor

---Care for the sick

---Welcoming the stranger as one would welcome Jesus himself

---Be kind to prisoners

 

Of those teachings, how many are represented in policies followed by Trump, MAGA, Evangelicals and so-called Christian Nationalists?

 

The answer is “None of the above.”

 

Humility is certainly not a trait anyone would associate with Trump. Trump needs praise, and if he doesn't get a sufficient amount during his ridiculous Cabinet meetings or through supportive media, he praises himself.

 

For Trump, the poor are losers.  Non-billionaires, or those who can't pony up the fee to join his club, are only required for their vote. Tax cuts for the rich is what Trump is all about.

 

Cutting Medicaid and raising premiums on “Obamacare”, that combined will throw tens of millions of Americans off of healthcare, is certainly not caring for the sick. Slashing foreign aid (except to the fascists in Argentina) and doing away with USAID---that fed the world’s poor and cared for the world’s sick---is, by definition, not caring for the poor nor sick, and vehemently against "the last shall become first".

 

Deportations, even of peaceful undocumented workers, is obviously not welcoming the stranger and treating them as one would treat Jesus.

 

The new rash of executions, along with Alligator Alcatraz is most definitely not being kind to prisoners (except Ghislaine Maxwell, a woman who might know inconvenient truths). Jesus was against capital punishment, reportedly saying, “Only the sinless may execute”….and Trump---who has broken at least 9 of the Commandments and one could argue all 10---is hardly without sin, nor is any human being.

 

It seems this Jesus guy is the epitome of what MAGAs call “woke”.  Jesus never spoke out against gays, never mentioned abortion (despite it existing back then, and "God" giving instructions on how one might do it in Numbers and Leviticus of the Old Testament), and with friends like Mary Magdalene, Jesus certainly wasn't into "slut shaming". On top of that, Jesus---who did not know the arbitrary lines on maps known as borders---would never have said “America First”.

 

Jesus was anti-authoritarian, and that is what got him killed. Jesus was the original "antifa".

 

Nothing Trump does and nothing these Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists support is even remotely connected to the actual teachings of the man they claim to follow. Thus, it can be concluded that actual Christianity REALLY IS under attack, and the attackers are Trump, MAGA, Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists.

 

Trump may not be the antichrist, but Jesus most certainly is the anti-Trump.

 

In Matthew 25 Jesus says, “both individuals and nations will be judged on how they follow my teachings.”

 

If God and Jesus are real, Trump, MAGAs, right wing Republicans, Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists are all going to Hell.

 

3 minutes ago, Wingate said:

 

If God and Jesus are real, Trump, MAGAs, right wing Republicans, Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists are all going to Hell.

 

 

Well its a good thing its all nonsense then eh. Smite me oh mighty smiter.

8 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Trump, MAGAs and the people who call themselves Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists like to claim Christianity in under attack in the US. Of course the US is a secular state, not a theocratic one like Iran, Afghanistan or Israel, but is the faith called Christianity under some sort of attack in the US?

 

I agree that it is. Most definitely Christianity is under attack in the USA.

 

I differ with those claiming it, however, because if it truly is under attack, it is by the very people claiming to be Christian, who quite obviously are nothing of the sort. Those calling themselves Evangelicals or Christian Nationalists are not in any way actual Christians. They are frauds hiding behind someone whose philosophy and teachings are anathema to them. They are, at best, hypocrites, and at worst, doomed for all eternity by the belief system they claim to follow.

 

Never has this been better outlined than in the NY Times bestseller “Separation of Church and Hate” by author John Fugelsang. I borrow extensively from Fugelsang here.

 

To get to the heart of the matter, one should go to the source, which is to look at what the actual teachings of the man called Jesus were. Now I won’t argue Jesus was even a real human being (vs a fiction carried down for the last 2000 years), but rather just look at what the man called Jesus supposedly taught.

 

It’s best to go to sources supposedly contemporary with the man, such as the Gospel writers Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Gospels written later were by authors who were neither contemporaries of Jesus nor ever knew him. Paul would be a good example of the latter.

 

In Matthew 25, Jesus lays out his basic rules for being an actual follower:

 

---Humility

---Care for the poor

---Care for the sick

---Welcoming the stranger as one would welcome Jesus himself

---Be kind to prisoners

 

Of those teachings, how many are represented in policies followed by Trump, MAGA, Evangelicals and so-called Christian Nationalists?

 

The answer is “None of the above.”

 

Humility is certainly not a trait anyone would associate with Trump. Trump needs praise, and if he doesn't get a sufficient amount during his ridiculous Cabinet meetings or through supportive media, he praises himself.

 

For Trump, the poor are losers.  Non-billionaires, or those who can't pony up the fee to join his club, are only required for their vote. Tax cuts for the rich is what Trump is all about.

 

Cutting Medicaid and raising premiums on “Obamacare”, that combined will throw tens of millions of Americans off of healthcare, is certainly not caring for the sick. Slashing foreign aid (except to the fascists in Argentina) and doing away with USAID---that fed the world’s poor and cared for the world’s sick---is, by definition, not caring for the poor nor sick, and vehemently against "the last shall become first".

 

Deportations, even of peaceful undocumented workers, is obviously not welcoming the stranger and treating them as one would treat Jesus.

 

The new rash of executions, along with Alligator Alcatraz is most definitely not being kind to prisoners (except Ghislaine Maxwell, a woman who might know inconvenient truths). Jesus was against capital punishment, reportedly saying, “Only the sinless may execute”….and Trump---who has broken at least 9 of the Commandments and one could argue all 10---is hardly without sin, nor is any human being.

 

It seems this Jesus guy is the epitome of what MAGAs call “woke”.  Jesus never spoke out against gays, never mentioned abortion (despite it existing back then, and "God" giving instructions on how one might do it in Numbers and Leviticus of the Old Testament), and with friends like Mary Magdalene, Jesus certainly wasn't into "slut shaming". On top of that, Jesus---who did not know the arbitrary lines on maps known as borders---would never have said “America First”.

 

Jesus was anti-authoritarian, and that is what got him killed. Jesus was the original "antifa".

 

Nothing Trump does and nothing these Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists support is even remotely connected to the actual teachings of the man they claim to follow. Thus, it can be concluded that actual Christianity REALLY IS under attack, and the attackers are Trump, MAGA, Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists.

 

Trump may not be the antichrist, but Jesus most certainly is the anti-Trump.

 

In Matthew 25 Jesus says, “both individuals and nations will be judged on how they follow my teachings.”

 

If God and Jesus are real, Trump, MAGAs, right wing Republicans, Evangelicals and Christian Nationalists are all going to Hell.

 

I rate this a 3/10. 

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"Let he who is without sin cast the first sin".

 

Fat orange bloke out in front enthusiastically waving a bag of rocks...

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I wouldn't call it under attack, just people not falling for the BS any more.  Do you really need someone to teach you how to be a good person.   Don't need to pay for that, thinking is free.

 

 

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American Christianity?

 

How many American Christians have actually read the Bible and understand it?

 

The majority of American Christians are not really Christians in the actions and behaviours.

52 minutes ago, Fact said:

I rate this a 3/10. 

"Quantity has a quality of its own"

 

From one of the OP's heroes.

All is as usual.

 

Also, Every time a bell rings, an angel gets ITS wings......

 

 

The USA is the last great bastion of Christianity.

 

And, THE TRUE FAITH, I might add.....

 

All is right with the world, STILL.....

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Could be wrong, but I think the Old Testament has a thing or two to say about homosexuality, murdering children, smiting thine enemies, and driving out the invaders. :coffee1:

The left has to destroy all religion as the government can be the only true God. 

12 hours ago, Wingate said:

Jesus was anti-authoritarian, and that is what got him killed. Jesus was the original "antifa".

 

Bringing Jesus into the discussion of Trump and connecting Jesus to antifa is very clever, but also your desperation to take Trump down is nauseating. 

 

Jesus, if he even existed and if what's recorded in the Bible is even accurate, claimed to have a "direct connection to God" and probably didn't go around throwing molotov cocktails into buildings, so he's nothing like modern day antifa.

 

And anyway, didn't you say you don't believe in God? Yet, you believe in Jesus and his teachings all of sudden because it helps your agenda to take Trump down?

 

What a joke. 

 

Perhaps the imagined attacks might stop if Christians would put Christ's teachings back into the equation?
I haven't seen even a suggestion of Christian values being touted by the MAGAs or the young Republicans today. Just the words.

I'm no Christian. I've followed an Asian philosophy since I was in my early 20s. But just basing my thoughts on the Ten Commandments, Christian politicians don't seem to remember any of them! They certainly don't practice them.

So who is attacking you?

Chritiantity is the enemy of Socialism

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