13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So that a yes, that FDR empowered Stalin, and Obama empowered Iran, thanks. 

 

No that’s confirmation of your idiot false equivalence and habit of telling porkies.

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

What violent protests are you referring to?
 

Violent protests are only ‘riots’ if they meet the criteria defined in statute for being a riot.

 

The definition is not someone protesting something you don’t agree with.

 

 

Vandalism and terrorism are two entirely different things.

 

Vandalism is common place, please provide your evidence to back your remarkable claim that ‘vandalism is often terrorism’.

 

 

 

Please define what statute for what riot is. I think a protest like J6 that devolves into breaking in and damaging property has become a riot, but it' has not stopped being a protest.

 

I submit that damaging an immigrant's home, and painting racial epitaphs on their car, and painting "wetback  go home" on their front door is terrorism. 

 

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No that’s confirmation of your idiot false equivalence and habit of telling porkies.

 

And it is just another example of your inability to actually explain anything. All your advanced sociology degree has taught you, is to regurgitate things like "false equivalence", you are never actually able to explain what makes it a false equivalence. 

 

Carry on lefty, you've got a planet to save. 

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Please define what statute for what riot is. I think a protest like J6 that devolves into breaking in and damaging property has become a riot, but it' has not stopped being a protest.

 

I submit that damaging an immigrant's home, and painting racial epitaphs on their car, and painting "wetback  go home" on their front door is terrorism. 

 

The subject of the thread is a challenge in the UK courts to the outlawing of a UK protest organization, therefore UK law applies.

 

Read and inwardly digest:

 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64#:~:text=(1)Where 12 or more,or a fine or both.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The subject of the thread is a challenge in the UK courts to the outlawing of a UK protest organization, therefore UK law applies.

 

Read and inwardly digest:

 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64#:~:text=(1)Where 12 or more,or a fine or both.

You don't know, so you run away. 

 

Go with God brother. 

35 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And it is just another example of your inability to actually explain anything. All your advanced sociology degree has taught you, is to regurgitate things like "false equivalence", you are never actually able to explain what makes it a false equivalence. 

 

Carry on lefty, you've got a planet to save. 

There you go arguing against what you yourself imagine.

 

AKA arguing with yourself.

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go arguing against what you yourself imagine.

 

AKA arguing with yourself.

 

 

 

 

false equivalence

 

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go arguing against what you yourself imagine.

 

AKA arguing with yourself.

 

 

 

 

It's not my fault you are not able to actually explain anything. All your advanced sociology degree has taught you, is to regurgitate things like "false equivalence", you are never actually able to explain what makes it a false equivalence. 

 

Why do you not just explain the false equivalence and prove me wrong? 
 

You won't, because you can't. All those letters after your name and all you can do is regurgitate a few catchphrases and post links to other leftist regurgitators.

On 10/18/2025 at 6:28 PM, Bannoi said:

Palestine Action made a mistake by infiltrating an RAF base and damaging an RAF plane thats why they were proscribed a terrorist organisation, which to me says more about the woefully inadequate RAF security than anything else it was an utter disgrace. they should never have been able to get anywhere near the plane let alone enter the airfield.

 

The courts will rule and make the decision based on UK law. In the UK the Prime Minister or government does not have the power to overrule the courts or pardon anybody only Parliament can make laws which are then interpreted and applied by the courts and judges.

Those people who broke into the airbase should have been shot on sight.  Their acts were actions of terrorists.

xxx

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 Vandalism is not Terrorism.

 

Breaking into an RAF military base and causing  £7 million in damage to two military aircraft IS terrorism, not vandalism.  I will fully acknowledge spray-painting graffiti on a building on a public street is vandalism.

 

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Equating the U.S. financial and material support to the Russian’s in the ‘ally’s’ fight against the Nazis with Netanyahu’s support of HAMAS in an effort to deny the people of Palestine Statehood, is a very odd argument.

 

I would call it ignorant, perhaps deliberately so.

 

You might want to check your own level of knowledge before you call me ignorant. It's been well known for decades that Netanyahu and certain other Israeli leaders have sought to split the Palestine resistance movement by playing one side against the other.  In the 1970s and 1980s, the government gave limited amounts of aid to Islamist groups that would  become Hamas, hoping they would serve as a counterweight to the secular groups like the PLO.  Aid stopped when Hamas was formed in1988 and turned out to be far more action- and violence-prone than had been anticipated.  

 

In 2018, Netanyahu allowed millions of Qatari dollars to flow into Gaza in an attempt to keep things stable, but in hindsight that turned out to be a huge mistake.  But there's no doubt he did it in the spirit of  "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

 

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

 

Netanyahu dismisses claims he built up Hamas with Qatari funds as 'ridiculous'

Speaking to Politico, PM flatly denies claim he facilitated financing of Gaza terror group to create 'divide and conquer' situation with PA in West Bank, asserting he transferred funds to avoid 'humanitarian collapse' in Gaza

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1cqppnba

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Vandalism and terrorism are two entirely different things.

Vandalism is common place, please provide your evidence to back your remarkable claim that ‘vandalism is often terrorism’.

 

 

    Damaging the UK's military defences is an act of terrorism .

27 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Those people who broke into the airbase should have been shot on sight.  Their acts were actions of terrorists.

They certainly demonstrated the shocking lack of anything resembling effective security at the RAF airbase.

 

I’m sure the embarrassment this caused was severe but honestly summary execution is a tad OTT, don’t you think?!

33 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

xxx

 

Breaking into an RAF military base and causing  £7 million in damage to two military aircraft IS terrorism, not vandalism.  I will fully acknowledge spray-painting graffiti on a building on a public street is vandalism.

 

 

You might want to check your own level of knowledge before you call me ignorant. It's been well known for decades that Netanyahu and certain other Israeli leaders have sought to split the Palestine resistance movement by playing one side against the other.  In the 1970s and 1980s, the government gave limited amounts of aid to Islamist groups that would  become Hamas, hoping they would serve as a counterweight to the secular groups like the PLO.  Aid stopped when Hamas was formed in1988 and turned out to be far more action- and violence-prone than had been anticipated.  

 

In 2018, Netanyahu allowed millions of Qatari dollars to flow into Gaza in an attempt to keep things stable, but in hindsight that turned out to be a huge mistake.  But there's no doubt he did it in the spirit of  "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

 

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

 

Netanyahu dismisses claims he built up Hamas with Qatari funds as 'ridiculous'

Speaking to Politico, PM flatly denies claim he facilitated financing of Gaza terror group to create 'divide and conquer' situation with PA in West Bank, asserting he transferred funds to avoid 'humanitarian collapse' in Gaza

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1cqppnba

Given the appalling lack of anything even resembling security ‘breaking in’ is almost as big a stretch as the utterly absurd assertion that vandalism is terrorism.

 

Strolled right in and committed wanton vandalism is a much more accurate assessment.

 

Yes I quite understand why Netanyahu wishes to distance himself, after the fact, from his support for HAMAS.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Damaging the UK's military defences is an act of terrorism .

No it’s an act of vandalism.

 

In itself reprehensible, but way short of terrorism.

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They certainly demonstrated the shocking lack of anything resembling effective security at the RAF airbase.

 

I’m sure the embarrassment this caused was severe but honestly summary execution is a tad OTT, don’t you think?!

Were that to happend in the USA, then it's highly likely that they would have been shot.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

false equivalence

 

It's not my fault you are not able to actually explain anything. All your advanced sociology degree has taught you, is to regurgitate things like "false equivalence", you are never actually able to explain what makes it a false equivalence. 

 

Why do you not just explain the false equivalence and prove me wrong? 
 

You won't, because you can't. All those letters after your name and all you can do is regurgitate a few catchphrases and post links to other leftist regurgitators.

Asking for me to explain suggests you might actually want to learn why your statement was an idiot false equivalence, let’s do it!

 

In response to my comment on wondering why Netanyahu backed HAMAS you said:

 

23 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The Palestinian people support Hamas

Let's not forget that FDR backed Stalin, and Obama backed Iran.

 

It is undoubted that some Palestinians back HAMAS, just as many do not.

 
Russia was an ally of the U.S. in the war against the Nazis, Stalin was not a terrorist.

Moreover, the aid provided by the U.S. was not to Stalin, it was provided to Russia under the Lend Lease Act passed by Congress, the funding for which was provided by Act of Congress.

 

So no not FDR backing Stalin and the U.S. Lend Lease support to Russia was nothing at all like Netanyahu’s support for HAMAS.

 

Obama did not ‘support Iran’.

 

He did negotiate a very effective nuclear weapons treaty with Iran and as part of those negotiations releases ‘Iranian money’ that had been seized to Iran.

 

So once again not any kind of equivalence to Netanyahu’s support for the HAMAS.

 

I’m not sure why you insist on imagining academic qualifications for me, why even  academic qualifications come to your mind, did you lose out to a sociologist I wonder?
 

Do try to get over it.

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Were that to happend in the USA, then it's highly likely that they would have been shot.

But it didn’t and they were not.

It is a clear sign of decay in Britain that it has stooped so low as to ban legitimate protest groups.

 

Nietzsche said, the strongest societies would penalize almost nothing.

 

Britain has shown it is very weak.

Just now, Cameroni said:

It is a clear sign of decay in Britain that it has stooped so low as to ban legitimate protest groups.

 

Nietzsche said, the strongest societies would penalize almost nothing.

 

Britain has shown it is very weak.

 

   They were not banned for protesting though .

They carried out an act of war on the UK .

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They were not banned for protesting though .

They carried out an act of war on the UK .

Act of war already.

 

Nick, I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate.

 

Make that 1,000,001.

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They were not banned for protesting though .

They carried out an act of war on the UK .

 

Whatever this UK protest group has done, and I believe they inflltrated some RAF site and caused damage, the US ANTIFA groups have done far worse for decades, and never got banned.

 

The US is too strong for these groups. Even now, that ANTIFA was designated a terrorist group in the US, the website of Rose City Antifa is still up.

 

But the UK has really put the hammer down on this UK protest group.

 

It's unheard of.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They certainly demonstrated the shocking lack of anything resembling effective security at the RAF airbase.

 

I’m sure the embarrassment this caused was severe but honestly summary execution is a tad OTT, don’t you think?!

the left, blaming the victim, as always.