5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

My personal opinion of Ioannidis and his 2005 article are irrelevant and in fact I have no personal opinion about the guy. . What is relevant for this forum's purpose is how this critical thinker  finds and sees clear facts and evidence showing  how vastly wrong Ioannidis repeatedly has been on matters relating to COVID, including authoring shoddy research.

 

On that basis, I questioned the validity of Ioannidis on anything related to COVID, not just because of his vastly undercounted COVID deaths estimate, but in other claims as well and accusations that he's produced shoddy research relating to COVID. So in his case, his past claim about research being wrong certainly applies to HIM!

 

The reported facts:

 

--'Ioannidis expressed doubt that vaccines or treatments would be developed and tested in time to affect how the pandemic would unfold.^"

 

Which also proved to be spectacularly wrong, as COVID vaccines were developed with the aid of the U.S. government and rolled out in about a year after the start of the pandemic, saving an estimated several million lives in the U.S.

 

AND

 

"Ioannidis widely promoted a study of which he had been co-author, "COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California", released as a preprint on April 17, 2020. It asserted that Santa Clara County's number of infections was between 50 and 85 times higher than the official count, putting the virus's fatality rate as low as 0.1% to 0.2%. Ioannidis concluded from the study that the coronavirus is "not the apocalyptic problem we thought."

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The message found favor with right-wing media outlets, but the paper drew criticism from a number of epidemiologists who said its testing was inaccurate and its methods were sloppy.^{[135][136][137]} Writing for Wired, David H. Freedman said that the Santa Clara study compromised Ioannidis's previously excellent reputation and meant that future generations of scientists may remember him as "the fringe scientist who pumped up a bad study that supported a crazy right-wing conspiracy theory in the middle of a massive health crisis". [emphasis added]

 

AND

 

"Ioannidis has also promoted the idea that there were financial incentives to put COVID-19 on death certificates and as such, they were unreliable during the pandemic, as well as the idea that doctors killed COVID-19 patients through premature intubations. Both of these beliefs contradict the available evidence."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis

 

As a blog on Science Based Medicine said of Ioannidis and COVID:

 

Dr. John Ioannidis: “The Biggest Mistakes I am Sure Are Mine.”

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"While there’s a lot of competition, it’s hard to think of another scientist who was so wrong, early, so consistently, and so publicly.

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Indeed, an article about Dr. Ioannidis from December 2020 said:

He had appeared at least 18 times on major [mostly right-wing] cable news networks, repeatedly questioning the severity of the pandemic."

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He said predictions of mass death were “completely off, it is just an astronomical error.”

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/mistakes/

 

In short, with COVID, he let his personal right-wing politics get in the way of actually producing accurate and credible scientific search, and became a right-wing COVID minimizing talking head loon divorced from reality.... And he's paid the price for that ever since.

 

I concede! You obviously have never been wrong and will never be about anything related to health, vaccines, and general research.  You are a mental giant and I bow to your unworldly intellect.  You are the Yoda of the AseanNow universe.  I will now scurry away from this thread and lick my wounds.

11 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I concede! You obviously have never been wrong and will never be about anything related to health, vaccines, and general research.  You are a mental giant and I bow to your unworldly intellect.  You are the Yoda of the AseanNow universe.  I will now scurry away from this thread and lick my wounds.

 

Some forum members became 'prominent' during the Covid crisis because they gained a certain level of authoritative importance at that time. It seems they regret this period, which was like a heyday for them. As twisted as that sounds, they would probably be happy if it was 2021 all over again.

53 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Some forum members became 'prominent' during the Covid crisis because they gained a certain level of authoritative importance at that time. It seems they regret this period, which was like a heyday for them. As twisted as that sounds, they would probably be happy if it was 2021 all over again.

I don't think TallGuy is one of them and think he was scared. I assume he is not only tall but probably fat and tall.   

 

 Many of the most adamant posters during Covid had major health issues.  Like the one that wished death on those that didn't get vaccinated.  He was a well respected poster prior to Covid and since has disappeared and I think I know why ( shame ). There is a well respected poster on this thread, to no fault of his own, has major lung issues.  I can only imagine what he was going through during Covid.

 

I am in great physical shape but get that many others are not.  That is why I got a jab. Not for me but them.  Also, possibly the main reason 🙂 ,it was impossible to attend many events without jab cert.  They would check all attendees for vaccination even though the events were outside.  Oh well, not concerned with getting the jab.

 

Remember the first 6 months when the mob refused to admit that healthy people were rarely dieing? they would post anecdotal cases of healthy people dying and in the next sentence tell us all to follow the science.

1 minute ago, atpeace said:

Many of the most adamant posters during Covid had major health issues.  Like the one that wished death on those that didn't get vaccinated.  He was a well respected poster prior to Covid and since has disappeared and I think I know why ( shame ). There is a well respected poster on this thread, to no fault of his own, has major lung issues.  I can only imagine what he was going through during Covid.

 

Spot on. They regularly post about their ailments in the Health section. You would think they would have the basic common sense to refrain from patronising guys like us who are in perfect health…

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

I am in great physical shape but get that many others are not.  That is why I got a jab. Not for me but them.

So you’re saying that the jab didn’t protect them so you needed to get a jab that wouldn’t protect you but would protect others.

 

Makes complete sense….like so many other Covid doctrines.

 

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

Remember the first 6 months when the mob refused to admit that healthy people were rarely dieing? they would post anecdotal cases of healthy people dying and in the next sentence tell us all to follow the science.

Yes.  It was hilarious…..especially when the “healthy” people were porkers.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Airalee said:

So you’re saying that the jab didn’t protect them so you needed to get a jab that wouldn’t protect you but would protect others.

 

Makes complete sense….like so many other Covid doctrines.

 

Yes.  It was hilarious…..especially when the “healthy” people were porkers.

 

I never stated the jab didn't protect them.  Think you are confusing me for another poster 🙂

 

As for the stories of healthy people dying of Covid, I remember it the same as you.