1 hour ago, CharlieH said:

None more blind than those who REFUSE to see.

What does that mean?

She said she's in Chonburi City. Hitched a ride with the older sister of her mother, who promised her a job in a frozen fruit factory.

Arrived there yesterday. Said she needed to make money and had to work.

I told her to come to Chiang Mai so we can talk about it. Chonburi wouldn't run away.

She thought and agreed she'd come to Chiang Mai. But first wanted to work for 3 weeks in Chonburi.

Initially she said she'd wait for me in Chonburi, but then that she'd come to Chiang Mai again.

Refused to do a phone call. Refused to send a video of her room.

Says she's in a room with the sister of her mother and nobody is there.

But refuses to do a phone call.

Did not give me the address where she is in Chonburi, said "you don't trust me".

I asked her if she f'ed another guy.

She said "No. But if you want to break up with me I understand".

I said no, but what you did was so wrong, to lie and hide the truth, take decisions without keeping me informed.

Now she said she'll think over whether she'll come to Chiang Mai or not.

Thread title checks out

46 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She said "No. But if you want to break up with me I understand".

lol

this is an absurd thread.

endless minute details of your intimate life for weeks on end ... for what? a train wreck waiting to happen?

I guess some people can learn from your mistakes?

On 10/28/2025 at 3:48 AM, Cameroni said:

But you have to accept it, and you have to adapt. You cannot be stuck in old ideals and dreams. You have to adapt. So the way to do that is to have  5 or more girls YOURSELF, because the girls are telling you TO YOUR FACE they want to talk to other guys.

Hi… I see but she’s being honest.

Technically, when she comes to CM for two weeks, you’d probably keep on talking to your 3 or so other girls, behind her back, am I right? Because you can’t just disappear from their lives for two weeks !?

So, actually, she chooses to share information and look for understanding and compromise with you. Wouldn’t it work for you to tell her that you’re also talking with two or three girls. From this new starting point and “trust”, you could perhaps start to talk and share in a more thorough manner, and from there, understand her mindset. Mind-bending journey though, perhaps

She’d like to keep talking to other men like you’d like to keep talking to your girlfriends. From there, the whole talk could be more honest

On 10/28/2025 at 3:58 AM, Cameroni said:

I would have no problem going with the CM

Are you actually with the CM girl at your place in CM?

26 minutes ago, Franck60 said:

Hi… I see but she’s being honest.

Technically, when she comes to CM for two weeks, you’d probably keep on talking to your 3 or so other girls, behind her back, am I right? Because you can’t just disappear from their lives for two weeks !?

So, actually, she chooses to share information and look for understanding and compromise with you. Wouldn’t it work for you to tell her that you’re also talking with two or three girls. From this new starting point and “trust”, you could perhaps start to talk and share in a more thorough manner, and from there, understand her mindset. Mind-bending journey though, perhaps

She’d like to keep talking to other men like you’d like to keep talking to your girlfriends. From there, the whole talk could be more honest

That was then. Now, I've thought about it and clearly Phuket Girl DOES want exclusivity. She's upset if other girls write to me. And I feel the same way about her. So the sensible thing is that we both give up our many other options. Of course much easier for me, as my options don't throw 10,000 in my face and are not as numerous as hers.

But anyway, I have a theory about this, that Phuket Girl was gathering information, not divulging information, when she said she wants to talk to other guys. She wanted to see how much I care for her back then. Because now, I can say with confidence she did not in fact talk to other guys when she was with me. I checked her phone, and she was loyal to a fault. There were no live convos with other guys, Even deleted TF and Tinder.

So she was testing me, gathering information, "how important am I to you?". She was not serious about wanting to talk to other guys.

Honesty is the way to go though. You're absolutely right. But you saw what happened. She goes to Chonburi and doesn't tell me about it, until 1 day after arrival. I'm not happy. Doesn't look like I'm very important to her, since she does not include me in a major decision that affects our relationship.

24 minutes ago, Franck60 said:

Are you actually with the CM girl at your place in CM?

I was. Until she upped and flew to Pattaya with some dude she was dating behind my back as well. So that was that.

42 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

lol

this is an absurd thread.

endless minute details of your intimate life for weeks on end ... for what? a train wreck waiting to happen?

I guess some people can learn from your mistakes?

What mistakes?

You think it's my "mistake" if a girl says she'll go see her mother for her birthday and vote, and then secretly without telling me decides to go work in a frozen fruit factory in Chonburi?

This is my mistake how exactly?

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

What mistakes?

You think it's my "mistake" if a girl says she'll go see her mother for her birthday and vote, and then secretly without telling me decides to go work in a frozen fruit factory in Chonburi?

This is my mistake how exactly?

"You bought her presence so you wouldn't be alone for Christmas, and now she's like yeah you can just break up with me lol.

She is already onto her next customer you alpha male you

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

That was then. Now, I've thought about it and clearly Phuket Girl DOES want exclusivity. She's upset if other girls write to me. And I feel the same way about her. So the sensible thing is that we both give up our many other options. Of course much easier for me, as my options don't throw 10,000 in my face and are not as numerous as hers.

But anyway, I have a theory about this, that Phuket Girl was gathering information, not divulging information, when she said she wants to talk to other guys. She wanted to see how much I care for her back then. Because now, I can say with confidence she did not in fact talk to other guys when she was with me. I checked her phone, and she was loyal to a fault. There were no live convos with other guys, Even deleted TF and Tinder.

So she was testing me, gathering information, "how important am I to you?". She was not serious about wanting to talk to other guys.

Honesty is the way to go though. You're absolutely right. But you saw what happened. She goes to Chonburi and doesn't tell me about it, until 1 day after arrival. I'm not happy. Doesn't look like I'm very important to her, since she does not include me in a major decision that affects our relationship.

Thanks for the insight. I have still to read through your whole thread. I’ve only read perhaps 15% as yet… 🙂

11 minutes ago, Celsius said:

"You bought her presence so you wouldn't be alone for Christmas, and now she's like yeah you can just break up with me lol.

She is already onto her next customer you alpha male you

No. She herself insisted she would come to see me. I was telling her not to come. Until CM girl revealed her dirty game.

I wouldn't have been alone at Xmas anyway. My two daughters are here.

BTW, it is the fate of every Alpha male that his girls move on to the next best thing. If I had been defeated in a fair battle it would be easy to take.

But I wasn't. It was an elderly woman who planted in Phuket girl the notion that she had to work in a factory. No doubt to feed the parents it was this that caused the present issues.

See? You can't trust older women! Same old story.

17 minutes ago, Franck60 said:

Thanks for the insight. I have still to read through your whole thread. I’ve only read perhaps 15% as yet… 🙂

I feel for you. Get ready to see how men suffer.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

No. She herself insisted she would come to see me. I was telling her not to come. Until CM girl revealed her dirty game.

I wouldn't have been alone at Xmas anyway. My two daughters are here.

BTW, it is the fate of every Alpha male that his girls move on to the next best thing. If I had been defeated in a fair battle it would be easy to take.

But I wasn't. It was an elderly woman who planted in Phuket girl the notion that she had to work in a factory. No doubt to feed the parents it was this that caused the present issues.

See? You can't trust older women! Same old story.

There is no factory work, just like with the previous one who claimed factory work when she started prostituting with the old dude.

8 hours ago, Cameroni said:

That's what I have with Phuket Girl. Real attraction that goes both ways. She's very attracted to me. Because her previous boyfriends were unusually unattractive. She's practicing hypergamy in terms of looks. Climbing up the ladder and getting something better. It is HER who suggests we shower together. It is HER who initiates sex.

It his HER who just asked you for 50,000 baht !!! 🤣

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

She said she's in Chonburi City. Hitched a ride with the older sister of her mother, who promised her a job in a frozen fruit factory.

Frozen fruit factory !!!...

... the only fruit around in here is the love sick fruitcake refusing to believe that PG was in Pattaya all along and with another guy...

I wonder if Pattaya is also going to suffer internet issues now... 🤭

5 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

7 hours ago, CharlieH said:

None more blind than those who REFUSE to see.

What does that mean?

the "vax " .............??🫢

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

You think it's my "mistake" if a girl says she'll go see her mother for her birthday and

vote, and then secretly without telling me decides to go work in a frozen fruit factory in Chonburi?

This is my mistake how exactly?

Wow, 160 pages, what a thread. I remember I've read the first few pages back in October.

 

 Just wondering ... Do you actually believe anything she tells you? Can't help , but what you wrote about her reminds me a lot of an GFE I've had about 20 years ago. This lady lied with ease, it was amazing. divinely gifted actress as well. good fun though. A rather unusual relationship, no money involved. There was really no reason to lie to me because I accepted her for what she was and saw it as a pretty open thing. She still lied anyway, permanently, like a reflex and sometimes I wondered If she still knew the truth herself or was totally immersed in her universe of bs. But sometimes amazing stuff.

 

Told me she would go to hometown for a while to live a few weeks in the temple and meditate..."sorry no hab phone there", while in her passport was a visa already to go to Germany to get married. After she knew that I found out she still kept it going. "Yes, have to do but only stay one month and then come back see you". During these weeks one day I got a phone call from a distraught, crying man in Germany. Apparently, he checked her phone, found messages, had an argument with her and now calling me for help because she was locked in the bathroom threatening to kill herself. I've seen the many little scars at her wrist before, even talked with her about it. She laughed and said with her brightest smile something like "if I have problem with boyfriend, I do to scare him"

 

So, I told the guy not to worry and just stay cool. For me on the other hand it was the moment I decided to cut her lose. This went too far already. And the realisation: "she is f***ing up this guy without a second thought...tomorrow maybe it's me"

She actually really came to see me afterwards like nothing happened. Kudos!

 

 

 

 

 

Im amazed people cant find a good gf. Not rocket science.

22 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I've been in the top 1% of earners of my home country for most of my life, so this scenario has never occured to me. Having said that I doubt a woman who earns more would help the man out, but I've actually seen that with two female lawyer colleagues who had husbands who were not lawyers. They did finance the life, and of course there's sex workers with pimps, it does happen. Not sure what you are getting at here.

No that was what I paid BKK girl as an allowance, but you're right of course, that's just part of it, taking them out for restaurants, dresses, shoes, trips, hotels, that does crank it up a bit. Fair point.

So what happened to all of the money? You were too afraid to travel with the woman, as you didn't want to miss out on work.

I'm stating my experience of relationships that weren't based on me having to pay for anything and vice versa... Everyone pulled their weight. Through that you create women who are perhaps less prone to just laying on their backs for a income.

Saying that, it means there is someone out there for everyone. It means that we don't all have to fight over the same woman. So, it's all good, as long as you aren't harming anyone.

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Arrived there yesterday. Said she needed to make money and had to work.

I told her to come to Chiang Mai so we can talk about it. Chonburi wouldn't run away.

She thought and agreed she'd come to Chiang Mai. But first wanted to work for 3 weeks in Chonburi.

Initially she said she'd wait for me in Chonburi, but then that she'd come to Chiang Mai again.

Now she's paid you back. She also doesn't want to miss out on work. High season. Many customers or maybe a regular is in town.

21 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Im amazed people cant find a good gf. Not rocket science.

define "good gf"

I guess one man's "bad" is another man's "good"

48 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

define "good gf"

I guess one man's "bad" is another man's "good"

I see you have no idea either.

7 hours ago, Cameroni said:

This is my mistake how exactly?

Mistake in choosing the wrong girl based on the wrong criteria - model looks and good in bed. That's not enough for a relationship.

Mistake in ignoring red flags.

Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread. But that's what I'm getting from this.

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Frozen fruit factory !!!...

... the only fruit around in here is the love sick fruitcake refusing to believe that PG was in Pattaya all along and with another guy...

I wonder if Pattaya is also going to suffer internet issues now... 🤭

if you were to lie about getting work in a factory, you would say it's a factory assembling electronics. Something obvious.

However, to say "Frozen fruit factory" would not be something that comes to mind. It's specific and unusual. So it's quite likely the frozen fruit factory is real.

Nevertheless, clearly my spidey senses are all atingle now, and indeed I have severe doubts if she ever went to Sisaket in the first place, and whether a guy is involved. No evidence for this. However, it's obvious a possibility.

The main Derridian pointers are that she is not wiling to give me her address in Chonburi. Nor is she calling. These two facts are of major concern and point to an underlying issue.

I know for a fact that she has two very tall friends in Pattaya, both 1.70, friends she went to school with in Sisaket who now live in Pattaya. It could be she went there and did not want to tell me she's in Pattaya.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

spidey senses are all atingle

Trust them.

3 hours ago, mangkut70 said:

 Just wondering ... Do you actually believe anything she tells you?

If you'd asked me a few days ago I would have rated her truth integrity much higher. Obviously you're asking me after she obviously lied to me yesterday and the day before.

It's tempting to say Phuket Girl once again proves how women are the embodiment of deceit, lies and falsehood, however, much of what she said was true.

Not everything. Sadly. First she said she only had 3 guys, after questioning it came out it was 5. Yesterday she made out she was in Sisaket. That was a deliberate deception. The day before too. So right now, my trust in what she says is clearly at rock bottom.

Now, clearly this propensity for darkness, lies and deceit, is in everyone. Man and woman. Everyone has the dark within them.

The real question here is how far, how bad is the deceit. Are the lies really covering up something terrible. My gut instinct tells me no, she's a good person, but obviously time will tell.

Only now, after time, has it been revealed that Phuket Girl was not wholly truthful. For a long time she appeared exceptionally truthful. She could be the greatest liar of all, or just lying about minor things. Let's see. Time will reveal all.

Thanks for sharing that incredibly story. Incredibly the lengths some women go to. Happily Phuket girl had no scars from self harm. She's probably not in that league.

You do realize that by saying Chonburi she is in Pattaya. Simple as that, no way she is anywhere near a fruit cannery. Think about it. That scent that ability to grind and kiss working in a fruit factory??