3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Im amazed people cant find a good gf. Not rocket science.

With gauging the quality of people, alas, it's not a science, but rather a matter of time revealing the truth.

Nothing to do with "science", "gullibility" or wisdom. It's about getting to know the person. That happens over time only.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's tempting to say Phuket Girl once again proves how women are the embodiment of deceit, lies and falsehood, however, much of what she said was true.

Happens to you exclusively. It's because of low quality women you are dating. They are prostitutes.

3 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You were too afraid to travel with the woman, as you didn't want to miss out on work.

And thank God I didn't go to Sisaket. Imagine how stupid I'd feel if I'd went through that trip and arrived and she'd tell me "I'm in Chonburi City now". Absolutely the right decision not to go. Perhaps she was never there to start with.

3 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

So what happened to all of the money?

I said I was in the top 1% of earners, not of billionaires. It actually doesn't take a lot to be in the top 1% of earners. Making 140,00 USD a year you're there.

So yes, over time I made some money, but only 2 million, and over a long period of time. What happened to it? Well, the usual, life style inflation, cars, 5 star holidays, beautiful women, eating in the finest restaurants in London, Grand Cayman, Paris, Venice, Vienna, Shanghai, etc., children, divorce. The rest I put on black and red came up. But it's fine, I have the skills and CV and a nice inheritance coming up, so it's all good.

3 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Now she's paid you back. She also doesn't want to miss out on work. High season. Many customers or maybe a regular is in town.

She's not a sex worker. Not yet anyway. What really happened, no doubt, is that her family was pressuring her to get a job, to get a solid foundation for income, these farang are no good and not reliable...get a job girl, that's what she would have got from the mother who wants her to send her money.

2 hours ago, mangkut70 said:

define "good gf"

I guess one man's "bad" is another man's "good"

Exactly right. "Good" and "bad" are matters of perspective.

The snake eating the mouse thinks it's dinner. The mouse thinks is a terrible crime.

It's the same with women, some women who certain people rate highly would be my idea of hell. Equally, for them Phuket Girl might not be all that. It's perspective.

11 minutes ago, marin said:

You do realize that by saying Chonburi she is in Pattaya.

It's a distinct possibility. But there is no evidence for it.

11 minutes ago, marin said:

no way she is anywhere near a fruit cannery

The one thing that has me thinking, is that she said she'd work for 3 weeks in the fruit factory in Chonburi City before she comes to Chiang Mai. Now she knows I could come down there in that time and try and see her.

And she also said that she could wait for me in Chonburi and we talked about me coming to live with her in Chonburi. So she must have been aware that I would see whether she in fact works in this fruit factory or not.

But obviously now I have severe doubts about much of what she says. Trust has been broken.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Mistake in choosing the wrong girl based on the wrong criteria - model looks and good in bed. That's not enough for a relationship.

Mistake in ignoring red flags.

Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread. But that's what I'm getting from this.

Well, that's obviously not the case. Looks are a major criteria for everyone, attraction is rather key. Without you passionately being attracted, there could never be true love. The same for sexual compatibility, without it a happy relationship would be near impossible.

So those criteria were the right criteria. Not the wrong criteria. The problem is it's a bit more complicated than rattling down a list of criteria. Only time can reveal the quality of a person. Because everyone deceives initially, man and woman.

What red flags did I ignore with Phuket girl according to you?

23 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Happens to you exclusively. It's because of low quality women you are dating. They are prostitutes.

As some have made clear on this very thread, it doesn't just happen to me, and much worse happens to many others, through no fault of their own.

Like you, not so long ago, I was sitting in a smug, self-satisfied and self-righteous ivory tower of false beliefs, that I had perfect loyal woman, and I looked down with disdain on anyone who was not in a long term relationship with a good woman. So I understand your arrogance and stupidity and I won't tear you a new one for it, though I could. But in the end, whether you have a good partner or not is to a large degree determined by the roll of the dice. Nothing to do with you dating super high quality women or me dating prostitutes. I've never dated a prostitute in my life, and Phuket Girl is not a prostitute, Drazen.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Like you, not so long ago, I was sitting in a smug, self-satisfied and self-righteous ivory tower of false beliefs, that I had perfect loyal woman,

Loyalty is not paid, it is tested and earned. I am not smug. I am realistic and self aware of my age. I agree it's luck.

After Tindering in Thailand, I started doing my best to avoid garbage women. They're usually pretty obvious unless you're choosing to ignore the red flags and tell yourself you're somehow different....the special seasoned expat alpha in the scene. You are not. You are paying to be touched and she's off to the next one who paid her asking to be f hard.

BTW.... didn't your best buddy just a week ago claim she was so into you.... now she can't do a live chat after she got paid.

Sad.

Just now, Celsius said:

Loyalty is not paid, it is tested and earned. I am not smug. I agree it's luck.

After Tindering in Thailand, I started doing my best to avoid garbage women. They're usually pretty obvious unless you're choosing to ignore the red flags and tell yourself you're somehow different....the special seasoned expat alpha in the scene. You are not. You are paying to be touched and she's off to the next one who paid her asking to be f hard

i do agree that the real garbage women are easy to spot, and yes of course you can eliminate them easily. I don't even see that as a problem.

The real problem is when beautiful and intelligent girls enter, and then you are at the mercy of what they tell you until you can gauge the truth with the passing of time.

Of course loyalty is earned and not paid, I never said it was. But women are paid for, one way or the other. Let's not pretend any of us get them for free.

Even Johnny Depp, Elvis, Tom Brady and Cary Grant paid. None of us are exempted from the iron law.

What red flags did I supposedly ignore with Phuket Girl?

BTW.... didn't your best buddy just a week ago claim she was so into you.... now she can't do a live chat after she got paid.

She was incredibly into me. She'd jump on my lap, grind herself on me and kiss me like I was the last man on earth, she asked to shower together all the time. If I was ever sure a woman was attracted to me, this girl was heavily into me.

The fact that she doesn't call could be down to her living in a room with her aunt or her phone switching off, it's possible, though yes, clearly that is a major f concern.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Of course loaylty is earned and not paid, I never said it was. But women are paid for, one way or the other. Let's not pretend any of us get them for free.

Even Johnny Depp, Elvis, Tom Brady and Cary Grant paid. None of us are exempted from the iron law.

I don't care what other men paid or who is paying. There are plenty that are not.

The women in your life are serial pollinators, moving gracefully from one bloom to the next extracting resources.

I never paid chit. It is beneath me. Serbian refugees don't pay kitty. You are rich, I am not, so naturally I will base my mate on affection and mutual compatibility not a simple transaction.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

What red flags did I supposedly ignore with Phuket Girl?

Are you kidding me? Reread the last 160 pages.

52 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

With gauging the quality of people, alas, it's not a science, but rather a matter of time revealing the truth.

Nothing to do with "science", "gullibility" or wisdom. It's about getting to know the person. That happens over time only.

Takes 2 weeks. If you still don't know much after 2 weeks there's something wrong with her or you. How a woman behaves in public and around others is all you need to know.

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She was incredibly into me. She'd jump on my lap, grind herself on me and kiss me like I was the last man on earth, she asked to shower together all the time. If I was ever sure a woman was attracted to me, this girl was heavily into me.

Sounds like there's something wrong with her. Thai women dont like kissing.

Just now, Celsius said:

There are plenty that are not.

Lol. The paradigm of resources for sexual access has been operational for hundreds of thousands of years.

When people like you or Richard claim you're so likeable or so supersmart you never pay for a woman, you scratch the surface and all is revealed, witness how Richard was honest enough to list all the money he spends on his female. More than I ever spent on Phuket girl or BKK girl COMBINED.

Now, there are some very few "kept men", freeloaders who live off women, I don't count them, because I don't see those as serious relationships, and certainly not any model to aspire to.

3 minutes ago, Celsius said:

The women in your life are serial pollinators, moving gracefully from one bloom to the next extracting resources.

Yes, clearly that only happens to me, your wife has no doubt only EVER been with you and no other man. It is well known that women are strictly monogamous and mate for life, and never have a list of partners. Stop talking nonesense you Serbian Himbo!

4 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Are you kidding me? Reread the last 160 pages.

No I'm not. Name the red flags you refer to.

3 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Takes 2 weeks. If you still don't know much after 2 weeks there's something wrong with her or you. How a woman behaves in public and around others is all you need to know.

You know more after 2 weeks, but certainly not enough to know her character sufficiently.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Sounds like there's something wrong with her. Thai women dont like kissing.

Well she did like kissing, boy was she a great kisser, top 1 percent. Truly outstanding kissing skils. Maybe it's her Khmer blood?

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Lol. The paradigm of resources for sexual access has been operational for hundreds of thousands of years.

When people like you or Richard claim you're so likeable or so supersmart you never pay for a woman, you scratch the surface and all is revealed, witness how Richard was honest enough to list all the money he spends on his female. More than I ever spent on Phuket girl or BKK girl COMBINED.

Now, there are some very few "kept men", freeloaders who live off women, I don't count them, because I don't see those as serious relationships, and certainly not any model to aspire to.

Yes, clearly that only happens to me, your wife has no doubt only EVER been with you and no other man. It is well known that women are strictly monogamous and mate for life, and never have a list of partners. Stop talking nonesense you Serbian Himbo!

No I'm not. Name the red flags you refer to.

Yawn

Just now, Cameroni said:

You know more after 2 weeks, but certainly not enough to know her character sufficiently.

Well she did like kissing, boy was she a great kisser, top 1 percent. Truly outstanding kissing skils. Maybe it's her Khmer blood?

She sounds like a gold digging slut.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

She sounds like a gold digging slut.

She had sex with 5 men before me, hardly a "slut". Way below the average even for Western women.

She paid for meals when she was here, her cosmetics, even my petrol. She's nowhere near a Gold digging "slut".

Her demands were fairly reasonable actually, especially considering she did dishes, cleaned the floor and was very high quality in the areas where it counts.

5 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Yawn

So you can't name any red flags. Okay,

That's what I thought.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She had sex with 5 men before me, hardly a "slut". Way below the average even for Western women.

She paid for meals when she was here, her cosmetics, even my petrol. She's nowhere near a Gold digging "slut".

Her demands were fairly reasonable actually, especially considering she did dishes, cleaned the floor and was very high quality in the areas where it counts.

If she is so great why are you on here asking for advice? Go marry her.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

So you can't name any red flags. Okay,

That's what I thought.

Starting this week or from the beginning of time?

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

If she is so great why are you on here asking for advice? Go marry her.

Too early. First now time to gauge the real sequence of events of the last few days.

Could go either way.

Just now, Celsius said:

Starting this week or from the beginning of time?

All time please, comedy Drazen.

25 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

She had sex with 5 men before me, hardly a "slut". Way below the average even for Western women.

Why do you believe this? You have caught her in lie after lie. She is now in Pattaya with "friends". Put two and two together and you might start to see the big picture. You have experienced every cliche of a bar girl over the last month and refuse to acknowledge any of them. Wake up.

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

Because he is so far up himsel f,he has no idea how the real world works. Thinks he above th e game, irresistable, world class kickboxer,laywer. top 1% of earner s in his home country for years. The guy is no more a con then his pretend gf is. I hope she got the mug for plenty.

9 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I was. Until she upped and flew to Pattaya with some dude she was dating behind my back as well. So that was that.

Two in quick succession...that's going to leave a mark. Learn from your mistakes. Your theories are all 💩

She has a propensity for that kind of work. It's always an option for her. That's why you found her online, open to offers, looking for another customer. Your ego refuses to acknowledge the blindingly obvious.

Bangkok Girl in no hurry to hook up either.

The question now is if you are willing to accept that 'your girl' is a prostitute. Will that dampen your ardour? It's was only your ego talking about love. She certainly did not. She was just earning her money. You paid and then she left to take care of her kids and then off to Pattaya to try to make some real money.

When things get quiet again, she's prepared to get back to you for a fixed salary and benefits.

Of course you can spin yourself a story in order to allow your ego to accept such a situation, now you have been captivated by her scent 😊

You received the infamous GFE. Do you feel that you got your money's worth?

30 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

Because he is so far up himsel f,he has no idea how the real world works. Thinks he above th e game, irresistable, world class kickboxer,laywer. top 1% of earner s in his home country for years. The guy is no more a con then his pretend gf is. I hope she got the mug for plenty.

At least he made a 1% tread, have to give him that, and the tread involves real scenarios involving most of the participants at the forum either they like it or not.

It is a fiction tread, but still

34 minutes ago, marin said:

Why do you believe this? You have caught her in lie after lie. She is now in Pattaya with "friends". Put two and two together and you might start to see the big picture. You have experienced every cliche of a bar girl over the last month and refuse to acknowledge any of them. Wake up.

I have spent the last 40 days examining her. Talking to her for hours. I was trained by the best legal minds in the UK, in the top legal college, and in leading law firms in the City how to interrogate, how to get to the truth. I talked with her for hours with the purpose of extracting the truth from her.

Often this was at her instigation, she wanted to talk for hours. So little by little I extracted the truth. Whereas first she told me she had 3 men, then, through my questioning I found it was four, then five. Her story is this:

Her first boyfriend was Thai, she lost her virginity at 19 to him. He took care of her financially but only with money from his mother, he did not have a job or prospects and did nothing to improve his lot. She did not like that. He then once texted a girl, sexting her with pics. She went through his phone and found it. By this time she was bored of life with him anyway. Out of revenge she had sex one time with a Thai guy she found over a dating app. Her boyfriend found out and was irate. She feared for her life as he was very angry, unsurprisingly particularly as he'd just paid 40000 for her nose and lips.

She found the Austrian guy in Phuket over a dating app and moved to Phuket. The Austrian guy owned 5 condos in Phuket and he kind of used her to look after his condos, took her to the beach and treated her quite well, giving her a 10000 baht allowance, just like her Thai boyfriend, and also any shopping, creams, dress, food she wanted etc. This relationship lasted for 5 months. They fell out over an incident where one of his prospective tenants complained a condo was not cleaned. He blamed Phuket Girl, which made her irate because he hadn't told her to do anything and she claims she did not know the tenant was coming, that it was his fault. The Austrian also had an ex and apparently she suspected him of playing on the side. So she again did the same, sleeping with two other guys. Then she found me and flew to Chiang Mai.

I also observed her closely. I took her out, she never drank alcohol. Even for New Year, at most she'd take a single lady cocktail with 3% . She does not like or tolerate drink. When I made cannabis brownies she took one to try, but she said she did not like it at all and despite me offering again repeatedly (because the sex was incredible) she declined each time. So she doesn't like alcohol or weed. No tatoos at all. Her English is quite poor.

She's also a homebody, doesn't even like to go to restaurants. Doesn't like going out.

This is no bar girl. You're way off. At least, it's very unlikely. Everything is possible of course, she could be the world's best actress and liar, but frankly, it's extremely unlikely.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I have spent the last 40 days examining her. Talking to her for hours. I was trained by the best legal minds in the UK, in the top legal college, and in leading law firms in the City how to interrogate, how to get to the truth. I talked with her for hours with the purpose of extracting the truth from her.

That would be true, but she still has you in a tizzy, acting like a teenager checking her phone, worrying about where she is, and who she is with 24/7. For only having a high school education she has played you brilliantly. You are freaked out and she is in Pattaya without a care in the world. You better wake up to this. The whole scenario may be new to you, but it is her chosen life.

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I have spent the last 40 days examining her. Talking to her for hours. I was trained by the best legal minds in the UK, in the top legal college, and in leading law firms in the City how to interrogate, how to get to the truth. I talked with her for hours with the purpose of extracting the truth from her.

Why did this make me chuckle?