1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

We all do. We all exploit them. It's not "supply and demand". As if a Thai woman who sells fruit for 20 baht were free to offer the fruit at an alternative price, because Thais offer their services and products at extremely low prices as they are in desperate need for money due to poverty. It's not free supply, poor Thais are forced to offer their serevices and products at these extremely low prices due to the prevailing conditions of poverty.

This is from AI, which puts all the basics together but makes sense...........

No, paying the same prices as locals is not exploiting; it is a fair and equitable practice. Exploiting occurs when a tourist is charged higher prices than a local for the same goods or services, a system sometimes called "

dual pricing" or "two-tier pricing". Paying the local price means the customer is not being overcharged. 

3 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

Of course, but I guess it would take quite some time to understand Cambodian culture to the point wherein you might attract a decent partner.

You never will and need permission from the Cambodian government to marry one. Thai women are far easier to exploit. 

 

And vice versa

So far, I haven't read any reasons to choose to stay in Cambodia over Thailand. Comparing Krong Siem Reap to Krung Thep Maha Nakhon is just weird.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It's not exploiting paying the same prices. It's equitable.

 

No, not if the "same prices" are already unequitable, as they are the result of widespread poverty. Then it's exploitation.

 

We are exploiting the poor. Why do you think these restaurants and food stalls keep disappearing? Because these prices are not sustainable long term for most. The cut-throat competition is a result of poverty.

 

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Imagine those foreigners that are born here, like the children. Are they exploiting paying the same prices or matching them?

 

Yes, they are. Everyone is. Even Thais who exploit their poorer fellow Thais are exploiting the poverty.

 

 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

This is from AI, which puts all the basics together but makes sense...........

No, paying the same prices as locals is not exploiting; it is a fair and equitable practice. Exploiting occurs when a tourist is charged higher prices than a local for the same goods or services, a system sometimes called "

dual pricing" or "two-tier pricing". Paying the local price means the customer is not being overcharged. 

Am I exploited when I am charged 12 cents more?

Just now, BatteringRam said:

So far, I haven't read any reasons to choose to stay in Cambodia over Thailand. Comparing Krong Siem Reap to Krung Thep Maha Nakhon is just weird.

Wow. What a narcissist. You think anyone cares? You think this topic is just for you?

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I try to avoid. Thai women are far more willing to be more vigorously exploited. There is no equivalent to Nana in Siem.

 

Some Thai ladies will (for an extra 100B) go at it with no condom!

God bless em.

22 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

You just wrote that you shouldn't give money to the poor.

You just spewed another bald faced lie. Troll

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

We all do. We all exploit them. It's not "supply and demand". As if a Thai woman who sells fruit for 20 baht were free to offer the fruit at an alternative price, because Thais offer their services and products at extremely low prices as they are in desperate need for money due to poverty. It's not free supply, poor Thais are forced to offer their serevices and products at these extremely low prices due to the prevailing conditions of poverty.

 

I thoght they sell their product at a price the market dictates.

 

 

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

No, not if the "same prices" are already unequitable, as they are the result of widespread poverty. Then it's exploitation.

 

We are exploiting the poor. Why do you think these restaurants and food stalls keep disappearing? Because these prices are not sustainable long term for most. The cut-throat competition is a result of poverty.

 

 

Yes, they are. Everyone is. Even Thais who exploit their poorer fellow Thais are exploiting the poverty.

 

 

Restaurants usually fail because of competition and bad locations. We are paying the prices offered to the main buyers, locals. That's matching their prices. Competition runs many businesses into the ground in all countries, including rich areas. Poverty here comes from bad education, too many people for the amount of available jobs, poor governing, corruption, and low pay because of a majority in farming.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Wow. What a narcissist. You think anyone cares? You think this topic is just for you?

 

Yes. just for me and for anyone else, it's just for them.

 

I came to read about Why choose Cambodia? So far I haven't read any positives and the foreigners there seem a bit sketchy by all accounts.

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Am I exploited when I am charged 12 cents more?

Anyone paying more than the local listed price is being exploited. Paying the same isn't exploitation.

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's what you would have to pay for a Thai massage in your home country.

 

And according to the income you made from your country it would seem a fair price. It's what a Thai massage costs there.

 

Well you can't get anymore apples & oranges than that.   So I should be paying the laborers at the house 3500 baht on hour, as that's the minimum I got for cleaning, servicing a chimney.

 

Or I should go down to the land office, and give them 130k baht for RE Tax, instead of 5 baht every year, for the house.

 

Maybe give MG 1.3M baht for our BEV instead of 949k, when we bought it.  Paid the Solar installer 1.5M baht for our system instead of 450k baht.   Pay the contractor 10m bath for the house, instead of 1.2M

 

I don't think the Thai masseuse has the same overhead here in TH, as he/she would have in the USA.

29 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

However, Thailand has many other benefits, and it´s not as bad as they try to make it.

I dont think my post disrespected Thailand its just that Im not a fan of their government or visa system and a place like Nong Khai, which would be equivalent to living in Siem size wise still suffers from the Thai government and visa system. I dont think Thailand is bad at all. 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Restaurants usually fail because of competition

 

And the reason why there is such cut-throat competition is because poor Thais have no option but to start a 60 baht food business to make a few baht to survive, so so many of them do that. No social security. They have no option.

 

And we are all exploiting their poverty.

26 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

Are you ok?

You have a Thai wife, do you not? How do you feel about someone suggesting that you are exploiting her and that there is no difference between that and prostitution? Do you agree with such a statement?

Is it me who is delusional here?

 

But, I am not doing that. So, it doesn´t concern me. There are probably people who do. For example, a lot of foreigners comes to Thailand and find a bar girl. After that they seem to get attached and want to take her out of the bar, to live together 100% of the time. Many times, in such situations, there are deals made. The foreigner agrees to pay her an agreed amount per month for them to live together. This can sometimes be very low as about 15-20k baht and sometimes we are talking 30-50k baht.

how do you look upon such agreement? Isn´t that exactly like paying for her services on a full-time contract?

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Anyone paying more than the local listed price is being exploited. Paying the same isn't exploitation.

Wow. I feel so.......victimized. 12 whole US cents.

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

2 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

This is very sad 

Unfortunately if you give money to one then you get a swarm of children asking !

Its not sad. Its the best thing you can do. Dont not support exploitation.

 

Actually now I have re-read, I can see what you actually wrote was that they should not not support exploitation. 

In short, you were encouraging exploitation.

Thank you for bringing my attention to this.

 

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

Well you can't get anymore apples & oranges than that.   So I should be paying the laborers at the house 3500 baht on hour, as that's the minimum I got for cleaning, servicing a chimney.

 

Or I should go down to the land office, and give them 130k baht for RE Tax, instead of 5 baht every year, for the house.

 

Maybe give MG 1.3M baht for our BEV instead of 949k, when we bought it.  Paid the Solar installer 1.5M baht for our system instead of 450k baht.   Pay the contractor 10m bath for the house, instead of 1.2M

 

Well, if we all agree that a certain service has an intrinsic value IF certain conditions are met, ie poverty is not present to an overwhelming degree, then we can take that value, say of a Thai massage in a country where there is not overwhelming poverty, as an indicator of what people would charge for a Thai massage if they are NOT subject to the cut throat constraints of poverty.

 

So 2500 is actually quite low, many places in the West charge a lot more for a Thai massage.

 

I'm not saying you should pay over the odds, that would be stupid, of course we pay the going rate. However, the going rate in Thailand is skewed against poor people and it is only so low because of the wide spread poverty and lack of social security. So we are all exploiting the poor in Thailand, effectively, by paying this low price.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

And the reason why there is such cut-throat competition is because poor Thais have no option but to start a 60 baht food business to make a few baht to survive, so so many of them do that. No social security. They have no option.

 

And we are all exploiting their poverty.

Anyone paying the local prices is helping them out. No reason to charge foreigners more for the same things locals get. That's dual pricing and exploitation. If the foreigners didn't show up to buy, there would be things left over. Businesses stay in business by selling all of their inventory as quickly as possible. Foreigners are buying more than just the locals would, so it's helping them. 

40 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

I don't Thai food @ any price point

You don't WHAT with Thai food.......eat, cook, buy, like, do?

16 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

I was just watching a YouTube video which has me scared of Cambodia 

 

An Australian middle aged Ian Muldoon went on holiday there last year and was arrested for damaging a ATM 

 

He was gang raped in the prison by prisoners 

Absolutely shocking

stuff and has me scared now 

 

after watching that , absolutely shocking and terrified 

 

 

And to think you were worried about a monkey having his way with you.

1 minute ago, Gottfrid said:

But, I am not doing that. So, it doesn´t concern me. There are probably people who do. For example, a lot of foreigners comes to Thailand and find a bar girl. After that they seem to get attached and want to take her out of the bar, to live together 100% of the time. Many times, in such situations, there are deals made. The foreigner agrees to pay her an agreed amount per month for them to live together. This can sometimes be very low as about 15-20k baht and sometimes we are talking 30-50k baht.

how do you look upon such agreement? Isn´t that exactly like paying for her services on a full-time contract?

 

Please address your reply to @Yagoda I don't have a Thai wife nor GF, so could not answer his question as to whether having a Thai wife/GF is the same as hiring a hard bodied prostitute in Cambodia. The best I could do was to direct him to someone I read that had, who could reply to him.

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I dont think my post disrespected Thailand its just that Im not a fan of their government or visa system and a place like Nong Khai, which would be equivalent to living in Siem size wise still suffers from the Thai government and visa system. I dont think Thailand is bad at all. 

Totally agree! I am definitely not a fan of the government nor the visa system. Regarding the visa, we all have to go through it, and so far, I´ve had no problems with it. What the government and other authorities do, I´ve very little to do with. 

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

We all do. We all exploit them. It's not "supply and demand". As if a Thai woman who sells fruit for 20 baht were free to offer the fruit at an alternative price, because Thais offer their services and products at extremely low prices as they are in desperate need for money due to poverty. It's not free supply, poor Thais are forced to offer their serevices and products at these extremely low prices due to the prevailing conditions of poverty.

No, they offer it at the market price, not because they are desperate.  Because that's the price.   And many still making a tidy profit.   Or they wouldn't be doing it for decades.

 

Sis has a restaurant, stall at night market, offering food at market price, not because desperate, but it's the market price.

 

She put 2 kids through Uni, bought new cars, MBs, and 3 houses over the years, that I knew of, since knowing her.  You be surprised what many of the vendors earn a month.   Long hours, but they want more, so work more.

 

Daughter makes more money (monthly) than I do now, only 3 yrs out of Uni, and partner makes the same.

4 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

Please address your reply to @Yagoda I don't have a Thai wife nor GF, so could not answer his question as to whether having a Thai wife/GF is the same as hiring a hard bodied prostitute in Cambodia. The best I could do was to direct him to someone I read that had, who could reply to him.

And still here you are commenting on everything. When you get a serious question, you have no clue. 

2 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

And still here you are commenting on everything. When you get a serious question, you have no clue. 

 

It seems that you have a bee in your bonnet. Of course I am here commenting. The thread is about Why Cambodia...? So I read and make comments. Is that not normal?

I don't have a Thai wife/GF and I don't consort with prostitutes, so I could not reply in earnest to his question as to whether they are the same thing. I guessed they weren't. But you seem to be suggesting that they are.

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No, they offer it at the market price, not because they are desperate.  Because that's the price.   And many still making a tidy profit.   Or they wouldn't be doing it for decades.

 

Sis had a restaurant, stall at night market, offering food at market price, not because desperate, but it was the market price.

 

She put 2 kids through Uni, bought new cars, MBs, and 3 houses over the years, that I knew of, since knowing her.  You be surprised what many of the vendors earn a month.   Long hours, but they want more, so work more.

 

Daughter makes more money (monthly) than I do now, only 3 yrs out of Uni, and partner makes the same.

 

He's just being silly. It's what they do here, try to deflect from the ugly things they are doing in Asia.

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

if they are NOT subject to the cut throat constraints of poverty.

 

 

Few anywhere, with exceptions, are subject to the constraints of poverty.   I didn't have to work for minimum wage in the USA.  I didn't have to be an employee all the time in the USA.

 

Most people live in poverty, because they choose to.   I don't know anyone, that failed at bettering their position in life, USA or TH, that tried to.  It takes time and hard work, unless lucky, and sadly, many don't want to put in that time and work.

 

Oh well, that's on them, and the life they chose.

15 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

You don't WHAT with Thai food.......eat, cook, buy, like, do?

I dont do anything, it is rancid.... All of it.

Forbidden in my house, if the gf want to eat, she goes out.