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Béchamp’s pleomorphic theory vs. Pasteur’s germ theory

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5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What happens when there is no food in the supermarkets?

 

You're fear-mongering again.

And how are billionaire food company owners going to stay rich if they stop selling you their Coca-Cola?

 

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    Monumental humbug Sir.   Why do you not do a little research before posting nonsense like this?   No one was infected with covid. It was all made up. The virus that supposedly caus

  • Hi Sticky Dump, thanks for your comments.  But remember your weekend release from the nuthouse will be over later today.  Better watch out 'cos the loony asylum minders will be coming for you with the

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    And there it is..............."it's only a theory."   Jump off the roof of your condo, and keep telling yourself "Gravity is only a theory.........gravity is only a theory.... ...g

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7 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I'll debate any subject on health Sir.

 

Let's get to it.

No you won't, you put down anything not in your agenda.............😬

 

You are like the Jehovah Witness folk at the door on a Sunday morning, brainwashed narcissists.................😧

9 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

That's not what he's advocating. What he's saying is that no diseases are caused by external bacteria or viruses y. That all disease arises from the mutation of microscopic entities (which have never been found) reacting to changes in the internal balance of the body. There, does that sound like 19th century gobbledygook? Well, it should because that's what it is. And of course the body is resilient -- it has an immune system. Referring to the "terrain" of the body says absolutely nothing concrete at all.

You nearly hit the nail on the head there Sir.

 

Diseases are symptoms, resulting from --

 

(a) Injury.

(b) Toxicity.

(c) inability of the body to defend itself. Although it can be the result of the body fighting off the nasties. Depends upon certain conditions the strength of the body's defence and both the amount and/or the nature of the toxin.

(d) Fear and emotion.

(e) Prolonged exposure to EMFs.

 

No mention of germs there you notice Sir. Why not? Pathogenic viruses don't exist. Bacteria are natures clean-up agents and are of great benefit to our good health. The rest of these 'germs' provide help to eliminate unwanted entities and keep us in balance.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

10 minutes ago, transam said:

No you won't, you put down anything not in your agenda.............😬

 

You are like the Jehovah Witness folk at the door on a Sunday morning, brainwashed narcissists.................😧

I thought we had a deal Trans.

 

You wouldn't mention Jehovah Witnesses, and in return I wouldn't talk about your rowing machine.

 

I'm befuddled.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

You're fear-mongering again.

And how are billionaire food company owners going to stay rich if they stop selling you their Coca-Cola?

 

Not a legitimate question in your opinion eh Sir?

 

Fear and food. Two great ways to keep the people in check.

 

I don't personally drink sugar laden drinks like cola.

55 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I thought we had a deal Trans.

 

You wouldn't mention Jehovah Witnesses, and in return I wouldn't talk about your rowing machine.

 

I'm befuddled.

You were born befuddled..........😬

 

Plus, I have never used or owned a rowing machine..........🤫

 

As I thought, you have a problem with what's between your ears.........:ermm:

6 minutes ago, transam said:

You were born befuddled..........😬

 

Plus, I have never used or owned a rowing machine..........🤫

 

As I thought, you have a problem with what's between your ears.........:ermm:

OK! Sorry about that. But!

 

An option. Prove the existence of a pathogen virus, or prove you have never used or owned a rowing machine.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

OK! Sorry about that. But!

 

An option. Prove the existence of a pathogen virus, or prove you have never used or owned a rowing machine.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

What a stupid request, but expected, and remember this, I think you are a crack-pot, so why would I get into a conversation with a crack-pot.

I reply to your nonsense to point out to others exactly what you and your Red chum are..........:crazy:

1 minute ago, transam said:

What a stupid request, but expected, and remember this, I think you are a crack-pot, so why would I get into a conversation with a crack-pot.

I reply to your nonsense to point out to others exactly what you and your Red chum are..........:crazy:

My 'Red chum' is a scholar Sir.

 

His aim, in posting topics, is to get the word out, so people can be better informed about covid and vaccines generally. Is that not a good thing?

 

For myself. I don't take any medicine. Last one was a paracetamol in November 2019. Not had a headache or uncomfortable occurrence since. I do have detox symptoms and I've got ways of dealing with them. I walk what I talk. Most days I go to the farm, feed the ducks and fish, and walk barefooted around the ponds, in the sun, without a shirt for some 30 minutes. If there is rain; I take advantage and go out for a walk.

 

We are the go-between of the sun and earth. We can bring their energy into our own bodies.

 

An appreciation of nature is everything for me. Observing the sky, the trees and the animals gives me a window of understanding into what it's all about.

 

Two of the most wonderful things we humans have, is nature and time. Through an understanding of nature, and observing it through time, we can better appreciate what our (as in humans) true destiny can, and should, be.

 

 

14 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Fear and food. Two great ways to keep the people in check.

 

If supermarket shelves are empty, society is collapsing and people may take to the streets with their guns.

 

They may ban meat. That's what I am most concerned about. 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

My 'Red chum' is a scholar Sir.

 

His aim, in posting topics, is to get the word out, so people can be better informed about covid and vaccines generally. Is that not a good thing?

 

For myself. I don't take any medicine. Last one was a paracetamol in November 2019. Not had a headache or uncomfortable occurrence since. I do have detox symptoms and I've got ways of dealing with them. I walk what I talk. Most days I go to the farm, feed the ducks and fish, and walk barefooted around the ponds, in the sun, without a shirt for some 30 minutes. If there is rain; I take advantage and go out for a walk.

 

We are the go-between of the sun and earth. We can bring their energy into our own bodies.

 

An appreciation of nature is everything for me. Observing the sky, the trees and the animals gives me a window of understanding into what it's all about.

 

Two of the most wonderful things we humans have, is nature and time. Through an understanding of nature, and observing it through time, we can better appreciate what our (as in humans) true destiny can, and should, be.

 

 

Your Red chum is a fruitcake, but as you are both the same, you won't see it.............:crazy:

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5 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

Why should I read an article by some obscure author on Substack?

 

Because it is the theme of this thread.

 

5 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

You can either argue your point of view or not.

 

If you are not acquainted with the source material, then no, there's no debating the intellectually lazy.

Thank you for the excellent information posted.

 

The Pleomorphic Theory by Antoine Bechamp exposes Pasteur's germ theory as completely false.  And it makes those hypnotized cult members of germ theory too sensitively exposed to admit they have been fooled.  So they do what anyone with an inferiority complex does, they turn off their brain and fail to admit the mistakeand taking corrective action to mitigate the catastrophe.

 

Antoine Bechamp is essentially proving Moses' concept of health, which involves tapping into the Divine signal.  By accessing and stimulating the Divine elements contained in the blood, the microzyma, it directly ties us to the Divine signal, blessing us with good health, free of ailments.  It's simple genius.

 

 

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

If supermarket shelves are empty, society is collapsing and people may take to the streets with their guns.

 

They may ban meat. That's what I am most concerned about. 

 

Or they might be reassured by the government experts.

3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Because it is the theme of this thread.

 

 

If you are not acquainted with the source material, then no, there's no debating the intellectually lazy.

I see, just another troll.

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18 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

I see, just another troll.

 

FYI, what you wrote below, that's a trolling comment. But here you're dealing with people who don't have the EQ of a pre-teen, so we don't care. Keep on doing what you do best.

 

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15 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

FYI, what you wrote below, that's a trolling comment.

It's not trolling when the criticism is accurate.

49 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

FYI, what you wrote below, that's a trolling comment. But here you're dealing with people who don't have the EQ of a pre-teen, so we don't care. Keep on doing what you do best.

 

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Why is this trolling? As I said, you offer no evidence for your arguments, you deny the veracity of science that has been established for centuries, you have no explanation for why antibiotics or vaccines work, and continually mock people who disagree with you. So how exactly is anything I wrote wrong? If you wanted a serious discussion, you would present a real argument. You can't even bother to do that. And yet you call others intellectually lazy.

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52 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

It's not trolling when the criticism is accurate.

 

Calling people idiots is objectively trolling. I don't mind it, by the way, and have never reported a post out of principle, but I do find it mildly amusing – and definitely notable – to see the pot calling the kettle black.

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43 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

Why is this trolling? As I said, you offer no evidence for your arguments, you deny the veracity of science that has been established for centuries, you have no explanation for why antibiotics or vaccines work, and continually mock people who disagree with you. So how exactly is anything I wrote wrong? If you wanted a serious discussion, you would present a real argument. You can't even bother to do that. And yet you call others intellectually lazy.

 

This subforum is dedicated to alternative theories. If you don't like it, then one wonders why you are here?

 

Your replies are a mix of conflations (I never refuted the efficacy of antibiotics), overused tropes ("centuries of established…") and misrepresentations ("continuously mock": I occasionally use sarcasm agaist a select few who have proved themselves to be obnoxious).

 

"So how exactly is anything I wrote wrong?"

 

If you don't see any problem about calling people who disagree with you idiots, then there is no point in continuing this exchange.

 

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On 11/25/2025 at 1:37 AM, gamb00ler said:

I read his testimony... it's available online.  I checked the studies he was involved in.  I didn't find any that were peer-reviewed of published in journals with solid reputations.

 

 

Here is a Journal of Independent Medicine peer-reviewed study which Dr. McCullough has just posted, establishing a link between the Covid vaccine and turbo-cancer. What is your take on it?

 

https://journalofindependentmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/ima-jim-v01-n03-a02-covid-19-mrna-induced-turbo-cancers.pdf

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On 11/25/2025 at 1:39 AM, gamb00ler said:

answer this one from a previous topic:  why is the raw hospitalization data of no use in a study attempting to show causation?

 

For the Nth time, this issue does not pertain to studies. No studies were required or mentioned when the raw hospitalisation data was used to declare that the unvaccinated were the enemies of society between 2021 and 2023.

 

The raw hospitalisation data is of no use to the pharma-sponsored political apparatus now, because it unequivocally shows, with no possible misrepresentation or tampering, that the overwhelming majority of people hospitalised with – and dying from – Covid are multijabbed.

 

Did you have a problem when the raw data was used to push the below message ad nauseam for a couple of years? No. You're only finding reasons to avoid addressing it now because what it reveals no longer suits you.

 

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14 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

or the Nth time, this issue does not pertain to studies.

And..... for the zillionth time..... you are trying to use data and statistics to make a point.  While not a study.... it is the same process and it suffers from exactly the same issues..... the data must be collected in such a manner that eliminates as much as possibly any in-built bias.... and for the zillionth time you refuse to engage on the point I am making.

 

The raw hospitalization data that you are trying to use was not designed to be used in the manner you are attempting to use it.  The raw data has a couple of selective bias problems that make using it to support your argument untenable.

 

A few minutes of research and contemplation on your part should allow you to discuss effectively.  But.... it is too dangerous for you... it make upset your belief system.

14 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Here is a Journal of Independent Medicine peer-reviewed study which Dr. McCullough has just posted, establishing a link between the Covid vaccine and turbo-cancer. What is your take on it?

 

https://journalofindependentmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/ima-jim-v01-n03-a02-covid-19-mrna-induced-turbo-cancers.pdf

Due to too much blowback FLCCC had to change their name to "Journal of Independent Medicine".  As typical of your searching.... you find only muck.

 

At least one doctor associated with the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) has had their medical license revoked, though it was later restored. Others have faced investigations, resigned from hospital positions, or lost hospital privileges. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/13/doctors-accused-spreading-misinformation-lose-certifications/

 

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47 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Due to too much blowback FLCCC had to change their name to "Journal of Independent Medicine".  As typical of your searching.... you find only muck.

 

At least one doctor associated with the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) has had their medical license revoked, though it was later restored. Others have faced investigations, resigned from hospital positions, or lost hospital privileges. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/13/doctors-accused-spreading-misinformation-lose-certifications/

 

 

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56 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

The raw hospitalization data that you are trying to use was not designed to be used in the manner you are attempting to use it. 

 

Did you have a problem when it was used to push the below message ad nauseam for a couple of years?

 

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5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Did you have a problem when it was used to push the below message ad nauseam for a couple of years?

 

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I see you must be practicing your non sequitur responses.... you can't carry on a focused discussion without inserting nonsense posts.  We were discussing your attempt to use the statistics to show a relationship ... not anyone else's.

 

I don't have time to take up the same issue with a different group.  I'm busy prepping for brain surgery on my iMac.

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2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

We were discussing your attempt to use the statistics to show a relationship ... not anyone else's.

 

No, O Brain Surgeon, I have only and explicitly referred to this data in contrast to the way it was used by the 'health' authorities, politicians and the media between 2021 and 2023. You have attempted to divert the conversation elsewhere in order to avoid answering and I have not let you do it.

 

You can't answer the question and your best option is probably to do what everybody else is doing, which is to ignore it altogether.

There is a timing aspect to the fermentation of the eternal Divine elements contained in the blood, the microzyma, that seems to be on an alternative multiple variable schedule.  Both on the good and bad sides.

 

For example, some Divine judgements in the Holy Bible were delayed for decades.  Some judgements occurred immediately.

 

One example was King Ahab and his evil wife Queen Jezebel murdered their neighbor, Naboth and were issued an immediate Divine judgement of destruction, which was delayed 12 years when King Ahab showed remorse.  

 

An example of an immediate judgement occurred when the Ark of the Covenant was seized in battle and the conquerors put it on display.  Plagues, diseases and tumors plagued those who viewed it and mocked it as they were not suited or trained properly to control its power.

 

The important point to emphasize is that the microzyma, the Divine dust contained in the blood, are under your control.  If wisely managed health and vitality result.  And if mismanaged, disease and ailments will curse you until you do learn.

On 11/30/2025 at 12:40 PM, Mark Nothing said:

For example, some Divine judgements in the Holy Bible were delayed for decades.  Some judgements occurred immediately.

 

Speaking of the Bible, didn't Jesus advocate fasting?

 

According to this, there is a clinic in California that uses fasting to reverse illness, including diabetes and cancer. They do medically supervised water only fasts for up to 40 days. No meds given. 

 

So it seems that with fasting, the body has the ability to heal itself of many illnesses. But medical supervision is best as fasting long periods can be dangerous, I think.

 

 

 

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