40 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Speaking of the Bible, didn't Jesus advocate fasting?

 

According to this, there is a clinic in California that uses fasting to reverse illness, including diabetes and cancer. They do medically supervised water only fasts for up to 40 days. No meds given. 

 

So it seems that with fasting, the body has the ability to heal itself of many illnesses. But medical supervision is best as fasting long periods can be dangerous, I think.

 

 

 

 

I've heard that, something about the body eating bad cells when deprived of food.

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I've heard that, something about the body eating bad cells when deprived of food.

 

It's called autophagy. 

 

Similar places exist in Thailand. This one is in Phuket. They have medically supervised extended water fasts and you are in nature. They combine it with walks on the beach, meditation, yoga. If I had cancer or diabetes, I would probably try it out. 

 

https://www.thelifeco.com/en/transformative-water-fasting-phuket/

 

Cellular Healing & Immune Reset
Water fasting activates your body’s natural self-cleaning system – autophagy – to remove damaged cells and toxins. The result? Stronger immunity, reduced inflammation, and faster healing. Many guests report renewed energy after illness, chemotherapy or long-term medication.

 

On March 12, 1883, Antoine Bechamp wrote the forward to his book about his microzyma discovery that is 105 pages in length.  The book identifies 14 conferences he presented the findings of his microzyma discoveries that were put into book format.

 

Bechamp's book is listed under google search  as "Condensed as Excerpts from Antoine Bechamp's Book, Microzymas with Heterogeny, Histogeny, Physiology, and Pathology." The table of contents reveals a quite interesting read.  The actual internet address is truncated with lots of numbers so not included.  

8 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

On March 12, 1883, Antoine Bechamp wrote the forward to his book about his microzyma discovery that is 105 pages in length.  The book identifies 14 conferences he presented the findings of his microzyma discoveries that were put into book format.

 

Bechamp's book is listed under google search  as "Condensed as Excerpts from Antoine Bechamp's Book, Microzymas with Heterogeny, Histogeny, Physiology, and Pathology." The table of contents reveals a quite interesting read.  The actual internet address is truncated with lots of numbers so not included.  

 

Note: Depending on the source site from which you entered the site, the address can show at the end a lot of characters (letters/numbers).  But after the main site address there will be a /? preceding all those characters.  And these are not needed to access the site, so when sharing the link to a website you can simply copy the address and then remove all the goobledegook characters that follow the ? in the address.

Antoine Bechamp's book title contained many words that I didn't understand. 

 

Here are some of the definitions:

 

Heterogeny, as applied to chemistry. Of a mixture composed of different substances.  Or.  The same substance in different forms, as in water in liquid, ice, or steam form.

 

Histogeny, is how living tissue originates and develops.

 

Physiology, is the human body interplay that determines health or disease.

 

Pathology, is defined as the science that describes the causes and effects of disease.

 

Reading and browsing through the transcripts of the 14 conferences was very interesting.  He loved to belittle and put down Pasteur's theories at every opportunity.

 

He also mentioned lots of microzyma info.  Like microzyma are contained in the air we breathe leading to a whole new avenue to explore.

Antoine Bechamp makes clear his professional contempt with Pasteur's germ theory in the forward of his book, "The basis of Pasteur's work on disease which is an untested hypothesis, and principles which observation has not confirmed, is taking medicine down the wrong road."

 

And he went on to discuss why he wrote  his book, "To describe a new doctrine on the organization of life, the microzymas.  This life is separate and distinct from the highest form of life."

Antoine Bechamp opened the first conference of 14 discussing microzyma and truth, versus germ theory and falsity.

 

He begins by scolding those scientists who, generation after generation, accept and adopt false theories lacking in evidence confirmed by experiment, as truth.

 

Bechamp quote, "Gentleman, the difficulty is not to suppose, the difficulty is to disentangle the true from the false.  Pasteur was able to crush his opponents, but he was unable to convince them by his old experiments."

 

"It is therefore not surprising that scientists today assume instead of conclude, that the assumptions transmitted from age to age, have become more and more imposing by the weight of the authorities they  have acquired, and that they have finally been adopted, and regarded as fundamental truths, even by very good minds."

 

"Do not explain naturally obscure events with imaginary details.  This adds darkness to darkness without making it less dark."

 

"Do not pay lip service to them and their gratuitous unconfirmed hypothesis, in never proceeding except from the known to the unknown. And consider all the facts from all perspectives, from all the points of view prior to reaching conclusions."

 

Then Bechamp proceeded to discuss Microzyma, the eternal dust particles contained in every living organism and how their fermentation and shapeshifting ability can transition between health and disease.  

 

It appears his colleagues have been so brainwashed that he spends most of the first conference discussing how to keep an open mind and that he spent 30 years developing and proving microzyma exist via experimentation and evidence. And the age old questions about health and disease can be answered by the fermentation and shapeshifting of the microzyma.

 

At this stage he does not present the evidence, but rather the big picture hypothesis.  This was 150 years ago.  Bechamp was confident truth would prevail.  

 

 

While reading Bechamp's book lots of unknown chemistry words are popping up that are hard to understand. 

 

Does anyone have a good online chemistry dictionary referral website designed in simple definitions for layman?

The normal dictionary websites like Oxford, or merriem webster define the complicated chemistry word by using the same derivation of the unknown word.  Which doesn't help to understand the meaning.

5 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

While reading Bechamp's book lots of unknown chemistry words are popping up that are hard to understand. 

Does anyone have a good online chemistry dictionary referral website designed in simple definitions for layman?

 

Easiest would be to make use of free AI tools like ChatGPT or better still Alter-AI < alter.systems >.  No need to register, just open the address of the AI program in your browser.  And then you can you can simply copy-paste  the paragraph or paragraphs that are difficult to understand and request the program to explain what was written in laymen's terms.  

 

The 2nd conference of 14, commenced with Antoine Bechamp discussing how he  identified an unknown microscopic granulation while conducting a chemistry experiment, which he ultimately labeled as microzyma.

 

This intimate contact with the microzyma turned his entire focus from chemistry to physiology.  This is the study of the internal mechanisms within the human body allowing us to thrive and maintain perfect health. He immediately realized the actions of the microzyma was the key ingredient to maintaining health and vitality, free of diseases or ailments.

 

Bechamp decided the potential medical applications on the fermenting microzyma greatly exceeded the simple chemistry application he had been pursuing.

 

During multiple experiments he found the rotations of the microzyma under various experiments reacted differently.  This caused various fermentations.  And he found the only way this was possible was if the microzyma was a living substance.

 

The microzyma could assimilate and desimilate.  Ferment and shapeshift.  Which can only happen if the microzyma is alive and a highly organized being.  Every organized living being is insoluable and nonvolatile.  The microzyma met this definition meaning it is alive within the human tissues.

 

As he removed and collected the tiny microzyma and added them back to water the water changed.  Many variations of experiments were conducted with certain ones being positive and others negative.  Molds indicated negative and mold free were positive.  Bechamp reported conducting 20 years of experiments to confirm his findings.  And as always multiple nasty references to his nemesis, Pasteur.

1 hour ago, Mark Nothing said:

The microzyma met this definition meaning it is alive within the human tissues.

 

So what?

Sorry, I don't know where you guys are going with this argument. 

Everything in the human body is "alive", isn't it?

 

Cells become dysfunctional through toxins and wear and tear and old age.

These are known as senescent cells.

 

 

 

The 3rd conference of 14 Bechamp opens with discussion about Pasteur's germ theory being unsupported by the evidence.

 

Bechamp,"Germs are not the cause of infectious disease or epidemic disease.  That is error.  The fruit of the preconceived condition, which I persist in fighting, because they make us lose sight of what is essential, ignoring the true notions of higher physiology concerning the higher origins of life and organization."

 

"The small microzymas were located in a variety of locations, even in rocks, water and air. These microzyma ferment and the study of this phenomenon is the sole purpose of this conference."

 

Bechamp went on to discuss the multiple locations he found microzyma, "It took me 7 years to identify, recognize and accept the independent existence of the microzyma and their functions and of their organized nature.  I then discovered the microzyma in the air,  where noone had looked for them, so could not discover them, blinded as we were by false notions.  I dare to assure you that microzyma are the whole of organization.  The reality is obvious.  Mr Pasteur and his associates have neglected to study this."

 

" Suffice it to say, I have studied multiple sizes of microzyma under a microscope and deemed them as alive.  Also tbe microzyma are in wine, the atmosphere, plants and human urine. There is chemical actions to microzyma.  Microzyma have a chemical action of fermentation. Remember the environment has a great affect on microzyma."

 

Multiple experiments conducted by Bechamp were conducted to proove that bacteria does not originate from outside the body but rather from the inside.  He confirmed this to be true and it directly contradicts Pasteur's delusional germ theory.

The 4th conference of 14 Bechamp reports how he isolated and extracted microzyma in a free state from the human body and how the microzyma inside the human body can ferment and shapeshift into bacteria, and back again.  He cites a multitude of actual experiments as his evidence and conducted them multiple times under multiple variations to confirm his views as authentic and always with the same full success rate. No anomolies to gloss over.

 

Bechamp,"My demonstrations show the germs of the air are not the cause of the appearance of the bacteria within the most diverse 

tissues of humans, animals, muscles, glands, nervous matter. Mr. Pasteur did not concern himself with this nor with the way the bacteria was formed."

 

"The observations and hesitations of the explanations of Mr. Pasteur are of great importance.  He observed the transformations which were readily materially observable, which he could not attribute to the intervention of the germs of the air.  But the observation of the microzyma show the bacteria is due to the fermentation of the microzyma.  All these facts affirm that the animal tissue does not contain bacteria but that it is fermented from the microzyma.  Which proves microzyma are an independent living organism."

 

Most of Bechamps experiments occured with animal tissue but he confirmed that human tissue produced identical results.  The same transformation of the microzyma occurred in man.  The microzyma produce the bacteria.

 

Bechamp notes an industrial accident occurred where a normal healthy man's arm was severed off his body.  The removed arm was brought to Bechamp's laboratory.  All the symptoms of gangreene developed such as a dry black surface on the arm.  Bechamp put the arm under microscpe and noted not bacteria but strings of microzyma.  The accident happened so quickly that bacteria had no time to form.  It was the microzyma fermenting.  Therefor the bacteria are not the cause of gangreene.

 

Bechamp," Now Mr Pasteur constantly objects to those who refuse to believe in his atmospheric germs.  You can see how difficult the problem is.  So we reduce it to simple terms to prove it.  The microzyma ferment to bacteria and when the bacteria disappear the microzyma reappear.  Microzyma are shapeshifting."

 

Bechamp noted in his experiments that the germs in the air of normal natural environment had no bearing on the observed phenomena of the microzyma.

 

Bechamp also reported on the results of multiple variables of microzyma like age of the human from baby to elderly or specific body parts and organs and reported the results.

 

 

Who discovered the principles of vaccination?

On 12/5/2025 at 6:24 PM, Red Phoenix said:

 

Easiest would be to make use of free AI tools like ChatGPT or better still Alter-AI < alter.systems >.  No need to register, just open the address of the AI program in your browser.  And then you can you can simply copy-paste  the paragraph or paragraphs that are difficult to understand and request the program to explain what was written in laymen's terms.  

 

Thank you.  This process works good while reading Bechamp's 1882 book.

 

During the course of using this method, I noticed many complicated chemistry words,  that no layman has ever seen, that have the following statement attached.

 

This word is no longer used in chemistry or by scientists.  It has been removed from use.

Rather than explaining anomolies, the words that prove a theory as false get removed.  

In the 5th conference of 14, Bechamp begins, "The tissue of all living beings, from the largest trees to the smallest molds, from man to the humblest animal, contain microzyma that can, by evolution, produce bacteria.  We will devote this 5th conference to demonstrate that microzyma of any origin are by themselves, ferments of the order of organized ferments."

 

Bechamp goes on to explain multiple ways he isolated and removed microzyma from multiple sources such as plants, animals, rocks, water, human tissue and organs, and describes multiple experiments and the resulting fermentations by combining different agents, conditions, temperatures, oxygen, nonoxygen.  By adding different environmental agents to the microzyma a controlled  defined response could be anticipated in the ferment.  That is organization.

 

Bechamp, "Gastric microzyma are very small.  I will explain the extraction of microzyma from the stomach glands themselves.  A similar procedure can be applied to isolate microzyma from the intestinal canal either by fasting or while the speciman is digesting from the intestinal canal.  And will prove that under certain conditions the microzyma ferments and under other conditions does not." 

 

 "Microzymas are contained in the blood.  Contrary to what we thought about the composition of the blood, the microzyma is an additional element contained in the blood.  Do blood cells contain microzyma?  I answered in the affirmative.  The microzyma swim freely in the blood with their own ancillary movement.  In any case the microzyma within the blood ferment and develop bacteria, with difficulty."

 

"We do not take enough of the account of the action of the glands on the blood that passes through them.  These microzyma necessarily exert a chemical action on one or the other of the material the blood brings them.  The influence of the new environment can acquire new functions which will be manifested at the exit of the gland by new properties of the blood that contained them.  Because, do not forget it.  The microzymas summarizes in themselves what there is of the essential in the chemical operation of a given cell or mood."

 

"The environment has considerable influence on the evolution of the microzymas.  Blood is the one tissue that the fermentation of the microzyma into bacteria occurs with the greatest difficulty.  The microzymas of the blood are of a special kind.  We have found differences in the microzyma extracted based on the region of the body where it came from."

 

"The tissues and fluids of the organism all contain, without exception molecular granulations of the order of microzymas  and these microzymas have unequal abilities and are capable of producing fermentations."

 

 

The 6th conference of 14 Bechamp begins, " The microzyma is organized and alive.  Due to the state of science, we do not know what living matter is.  The study of microzymas will allow us to penetrate that mystery. "

 

"The term germs does not apply to microzymas.  They are not like eggs or bacteria that require fertilization to grow.  My experiments conducted on the microzyma targeted and manipulated the microzyma to gain new knowledge.  The entirety of physiology (keeping the body healthy) rests on the fermentation of the microzyma.  Mr. Pasteur has not yet recognized the significance of this and fails to understand."

 

"Both Mr Pasteur and I started from the point of view that germs from all ferments exist in the air.  And that all the phenomena of fermentation and putrification recognise these same germs.  Now in 1863, I asked myself if this was true, as I had taught students this for years.  It was necessary to fight against two deep seated errors. The error that germs come from the air and the error that attributes oxygen to the production of the fermentation of germs."

 

"I am, in scientific matters, of a precise and meticulous sentiment.  Make haste slowly, without losing courage.  Twenty times on the job, put your work back.  I do not publish the results of an experiment until I am sure.  As Mr Pasteur denies and contests all my experiments the results I publish must be perfect.  I have all the more obligation to you to be correct in my analysis and findings."

 

"To touch the highest region of physiology, requires the asking of very delicate and important questions."

 

Multiple experiments were conducted by Bechamp to prove his analysis true, which directly contradicted Pasteur's germ theory.

The 7th conference of 14 begjns with Bechamp discussing the microscopic granulations (microzyma) found around the body and how he learned to manipulate and study them to see that the physiology (health or disease) of human beings was directly related to the fermentation and shapeshifting of the microzyma.

 

"Microzymas are contained in the human being's oral saliva.  No other liquid can be compared to it in the body. It is known that oral saliva comes from several different glands and the mixture of liquids secreted by these glands is called saliva.  The saliva is something very complex formed by soluable and insoluable materials.  The microzymas contained in human saliva is different than that of the dog and horse speciman studied." 

 

Bechamp then explained in detail his experiments on the study of microzyma contained in saliva of human, horse, and dog.

 

"The saliva of a clean mouth contains hardly anything but microzymas.  There are undoubtably globules or cells of another form, but which are among themselves also carriers of microzymas and which by destroying themselves, leave them free."

 

Now Bechamp begins to describes the different functional variations of microzyma around the body.  "Now we have seen that the microzymas of the different organ centers of the body do not all have the same purpose in the fermentations."  He now breaks down his findings on each organ.  And he conducted his experiments with air and without to determine if the germs of the air had any affect.  And they did not.  "All these facts should convince you that the germs of the air have nothing to do with disease."

 

Bechamp, "Thus it is a proven fact that the function of the microzymas varies not only in the different organs of the same being, it also varies in the same organs of different beings, and also with the age of that being."  This is groundbreaking data.  It means we have control of our body and its health if we learn how to use that power.

 

Now bechamp and his colleagues "Did not share the opinions with Mr Pasteur on the universal influence of atmospheric germs on determining the alterations and putrefactions of disease."

 

"Mr Pasteur refuses to see anything organized in it, and even more so nothing living."  Pasteur is rejecting Bechamp's microzyma findings and closing his mind to the concept.  Likely he had an alternative objective rather than truth.

 

Bechamp, "The germs of the air are for nothing in the result of these experiments."

The 8th conference of 14 begins with Bechamp systematically disputing Pasteur's germ theory hypothesis.  And explaining that the tiny granulations contained in the human body, microzyma, are solely responsible for the health or disease of each of us.  Bechamp's direct observations show the microzyma contained within us can ferment to bacteria and shapeshift back to microzyma.  And he can direct that fermentation at his discretion by manipulating different variables.  This means, by default, he can eliminate diseases altogether.

 

To demonstrate his conclusions, Bechamp uses  a common chicken egg as his experiment.  When the egg is broken Pasteur says the germs of the air causes it to putrify and rot.  Bechamp differs.  His observation of the microzyma of the broken egg show the microzyma contained in the egg ferment into bacteria and when the bacteria disintegrates, shapeshifts back to microzyma.

 

Bechamp, "The matter of the egg, according to Mr. Pasteur, is a natural substance that the life elaborates, endowed with virtues transformation that the boiling destroys.  If the egg is nothing but that, there is nothing astonishing that Mr. Pasteur saw in the corpse of the egg, only matter where there is nothing more living and which needs the germs of the air to putrify."

 

"You know what to think of this opinion of Mr. Pasteur, becuase of the microzyma, which do not die, but which, when placed in a new conditions, operate chemical transformations similar or identical to those they operated in the living being, either they evolve within the tissues to become bacteria or they do not change."

 

"Mr. Pasteur studied the putrification of meat, but proccupied with his system of panspermia triumph (germs coming on comets from outer space), he explained everything by the germs of the air.  That according to Mr. Pasteur, if during life the body of animals is closed to the introduction of germs of lower beings it is not the same after death.   Mr. Pasteur did not see well, for having denied the existence of microzyma, he did not see the bacteria in the center of the meat he was examining."

 

"After death, here we leave the field of pathology to enter the field of physiology of the species, the matter must return to its primitive state, for it has been lent only for a time to the living, organized being.  In recent times an excessive role has been given to the germs brought by the air, for the air can indeed bring them, but they are not necessary. The microzymas in the state of bacteria are sufficient to ensure, through putrification, the circular movement of matter.  The living being, filled with microzymas thus carries within itself the essential elements of life, disease, death and destruction.  Gentleman, let this diversity in the results not surprise us too much, our cells, it is a fact of observation of all the moments, destroy themselves unceasingly as a result of fermentations very similar to those which follow death, by entering the intimacy of the phenomena, one could really say, were it not for the shocking character of the expression, that we putrefy ourselves, unceasingly."

 

 

33 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

The 8th conference of 14 begins with Bechamp systematically disputing Pasteur's germ theory hypothesis.  And explaining that the tiny granulations contained in the human body, microzyma, are solely responsible for the health or disease of each of us.  Bechamp's direct observations show the microzyma contained within us can ferment to bacteria and shapeshift back to microzyma.  And he can direct that fermentation at his discretion by manipulating different variables.  This means, by default, he can eliminate diseases altogether.

 

To demonstrate his conclusions, Bechamp uses  a common chicken egg as his experiment.  When the egg is broken Pasteur says the germs of the air causes it to putrify and rot.  Bechamp differs.  His observation of the microzyma of the broken egg show the microzyma contained in the egg ferment into bacteria and when the bacteria disintegrates, shapeshifts back to microzyma.

 

Bechamp, "The matter of the egg, according to Mr. Pasteur, is a natural substance that the life elaborates, endowed with virtues transformation that the boiling destroys.  If the egg is nothing but that, there is nothing astonishing that Mr. Pasteur saw in the corpse of the egg, only matter where there is nothing more living and which needs the germs of the air to putrify."

 

"You know what to think of this opinion of Mr. Pasteur, becuase of the microzyma, which do not die, but which, when placed in a new conditions, operate chemical transformations similar or identical to those they operated in the living being, either they evolve within the tissues to become bacteria or they do not change."

 

"Mr. Pasteur studied the putrification of meat, but proccupied with his system of panspermia triumph (germs coming on comets from outer space), he explained everything by the germs of the air.  That according to Mr. Pasteur, if during life the body of animals is closed to the introduction of germs of lower beings it is not the same after death.   Mr. Pasteur did not see well, for having denied the existence of microzyma, he did not see the bacteria in the center of the meat he was examining."

 

"After death, here we leave the field of pathology to enter the field of physiology of the species, the matter must return to its primitive state, for it has been lent only for a time to the living, organized being.  In recent times an excessive role has been given to the germs brought by the air, for the air can indeed bring them, but they are not necessary. The microzymas in the state of bacteria are sufficient to ensure, through putrification, the circular movement of matter.  The living being, filled with microzymas thus carries within itself the essential elements of life, disease, death and destruction.  Gentleman, let this diversity in the results not surprise us too much, our cells, it is a fact of observation of all the moments, destroy themselves unceasingly as a result of fermentations very similar to those which follow death, by entering the intimacy of the phenomena, one could really say, were it not for the shocking character of the expression, that we putrefy ourselves, unceasingly."

 

 

I believe there are entities in our gel tissues. Maybe similar to enzymes. Their difference being, is that they react to bio-electrical charge. This, under certain conditions, allows them to adapt and even change form. All in the name of protection of the terrain.

 

I'm not so sure that they can live anywhere; no-matter what or where.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

believe there are entities in our gel tissues. Maybe similar to enzymes. Their difference being, is that they react to bio-electrical charge. This, under certain conditions, allows them to adapt and even change form. All in the name of protection of the terrain.

 

I'm not so sure that they can live anywhere; no-matter what or where.

 

Can you give some examples of these gel entities?

 

What evidence do you have that gives you this belief?

42 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

 

Can you give some examples of these gel entities?

 

What evidence do you have that gives you this belief?

 

Reading Mark Nothing's Bechamp musings, got me thinking. We are 70% water, but the nearest we get to see it is when sweat or pee. In a car accident, where a few bones are broken, we don't see water everywhere. Does the gel-like water actually carry information throughput the body? Maybe not the watery gel itself, but a micro-enzyme type entity floating within it. What entity? 

 

Entitles that can change with, and according to, bio-electrical activity. And I suggest that these entities can 'think'. Maybe think is not the right word. Protect might be better. Instinctively react stimuli to protect the body.

29 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

Reading Mark Nothing's Bechamp musings, got me thinking. We are 70% water, but the nearest we get to see it is when sweat or pee. In a car accident, where a few bones are broken, we don't see water everywhere. Does the gel-like water actually carry information throughput the body? Maybe not the watery gel itself, but a micro-enzyme type entity floating within it. What entity? 

 

Entitles that can change with, and according to, bio-electrical activity. And I suggest that these entities can 'think'. Maybe think is not the right word. Protect might be better. Instinctively react stimuli to protect the body.

 

Or maybe the cells within our body communicate with each other.

pla jai gin pla lek

1 minute ago, mordothailand said:

pla jai gin pla lek

Eh...?   

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Eh...?   

its a reference to an officer in immigration office testing someone on ED visa if he had attend to the class.

the "student" answered Eh...?   

1 hour ago, Bacon1 said:

 

Or maybe the cells within our body communicate with each other.

For sure there is an entity that is responsible for short term memory. A memory of less than a second. A special type of cell perhaps. Outside of brain activity.

 

All to do with preservation. Fight or flight.

 

When we walk, we don't say, as we go, now put the left foot forward, now the right. We do it automatically. But is this action the domain of the brain. or have the cells in the moving limbs remembered?

 

 

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

For sure there is an entity that is responsible for short term memory. A memory of less than a second. A special type of cell perhaps. Outside of brain activity.

 

All to do with preservation. Fight or flight.

 

When we walk, we don't say, as we go, now put the left foot forward, now the right. We do it automatically. But is this action the domain of the brain. or have the cells in the moving limbs remembered?

 

 

Perhaps not when you get to old age, when things do go awry.............🥸